Appeals Court victory for handgun ownership

SKS NOOB · 03-11-2007, 12:04 AM

Yep. Washington, D.C. is a country all to its own. NOT!! Doofus judge.

troy2000 · 03-11-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas

FYI, the vote on the Appeals board was 2 to 1, the dissenting judge stated that because The District isn't a state the Constitution doesn't apply to the city?!?!?!

She interpreted the preamble, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State," to mean the amendment protects the right of the states to have armed forces, not the rights of the people.

That doesn't fly; as the other two judges pointed out, every other place in the Constitition that refers to the states unambiguously says "the States" or something similar. They also pointed out that the original draft said country, not state, and when it was changed no one even debated the change. The founders were clearly using the term state as a generic form for nation or country in this instance.

It's the same argument used by the Ninth Circuit Court when it upheld California's assault weapon restrictions, by the way. On an encouraging note, the Ninth Circuit Court gets shot down by the Supreme Court about as often as all the others put together.

tbonecpk · 03-11-2007, 10:27 AM

well so far lookin good lol I hope this makes the supreme court and stuff and hopefully they come up to the correct dicision

BattleRifleG3 · 03-12-2007, 09:13 AM

Among all the things Bush has done that I do and don't agree with, his supreme court nominations are one of the best things. I believe all his appointees are constructionists. Especially Chief Justice Roberts.

Rave · 03-12-2007, 10:08 AM

A part that makes me think of the individual is the one that says "KEEP and bear arms." It is not like the gummint,federal or local keeping the arms in an armory,and issueing them out in time of need,but the PEOPLE having those arms in their possession all the time.
Does that make any sense to you guys?

BattleRifleG3 · 03-12-2007, 10:24 AM

Absolutely. You hit the nail right on the head.

SKS NOOB · 03-12-2007, 10:52 AM

That's what the 2nd ammendment is for: So that if we are invaded or attacked directly, we are already armed to the teeth. A man, or woman nowadays, fighting for their home or family will fight harder that one just fighting for their country. IMHO, anyway.

troy2000 · 03-12-2007, 11:27 AM

As an example of how far anti-gun proponents will stretch the language, I've read legal arguments that claim "keep" means to "keep up" (ie, maintain in working order), rather than possess in the home.

Mooseman684 · 03-12-2007, 11:34 AM

And how do they define "Bear" ??? The other Red Meat ???

BattleRifleG3 · 03-12-2007, 12:26 PM

Beautiful, Mooseman.

GodComplex · 03-12-2007, 12:58 PM

If DC had half a brain (I know, that's giving them too much credit) they'd just do what NY did and require a pistol permit. Anyone can own a handgun as long as you pay $190 and pass a background check.

Rave · 03-12-2007, 03:00 PM

If a body don't want/like guns,they should avoid them and leave the rest of us alone!

Rufus Rhastus J · 03-13-2007, 04:56 AM

What part of "shall not be infringed" (the right of the people to keep and bear arms) do these scholars (term used in the broadest of interpretations) not understand? No court ruling is needed....they spoke the same language then, as we do now, less the slang, of course. This argument, in my opinion is foolish and a waste of time. Our courts need to read the amendment and follow it's lead. This is why people hate lawyers and judges, because they twist words and invent meanings that do not exist...... Supported, of course, by those paying the bills (for justice[?])!

It does suck

but, there it is.

03-11-2007, 10:27 AM	#23
tbonecpk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Diego Cal Posts: 589 Blog Entries: 2	well so far lookin good lol I hope this makes the supreme court and stuff and hopefully they come up to the correct dicision __________________ "Speak softly but carry a big stick" -Teddy Roosevelt

03-12-2007, 09:13 AM	#24
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681	Among all the things Bush has done that I do and don't agree with, his supreme court nominations are one of the best things. I believe all his appointees are constructionists. Especially Chief Justice Roberts. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-12-2007, 10:24 AM	#26
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681	Absolutely. You hit the nail right on the head. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-12-2007, 11:34 AM	#29
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,174	And how do they define "Bear" ??? The other Red Meat ??? __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

03-12-2007, 12:26 PM	#30
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681	Beautiful, Mooseman. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-11-2007, 12:04 AM	#21
SKS NOOB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Minnesotah Posts: 1,288	Yep. Washington, D.C. is a country all to its own. NOT!! Doofus judge.

03-12-2007, 10:08 AM	#25
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,386	A part that makes me think of the individual is the one that says "KEEP and bear arms." It is not like the gummint,federal or local keeping the arms in an armory,and issueing them out in time of need,but the PEOPLE having those arms in their possession all the time. Does that make any sense to you guys?

03-12-2007, 10:52 AM	#27
SKS NOOB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Minnesotah Posts: 1,288	That's what the 2nd ammendment is for: So that if we are invaded or attacked directly, we are already armed to the teeth. A man, or woman nowadays, fighting for their home or family will fight harder that one just fighting for their country. IMHO, anyway.

03-12-2007, 11:27 AM	#28
troy2000 Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 14,554	As an example of how far anti-gun proponents will stretch the language, I've read legal arguments that claim "keep" means to "keep up" (ie, maintain in working order), rather than possess in the home.

03-12-2007, 12:58 PM	#31
GodComplex Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 9	If DC had half a brain (I know, that's giving them too much credit) they'd just do what NY did and require a pistol permit. Anyone can own a handgun as long as you pay $190 and pass a background check.

03-12-2007, 03:00 PM	#32
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,386	If a body don't want/like guns,they should avoid them and leave the rest of us alone!

03-13-2007, 04:56 AM	#33
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,342	What part of "shall not be infringed" (the right of the people to keep and bear arms) do these scholars (term used in the broadest of interpretations) not understand? No court ruling is needed....they spoke the same language then, as we do now, less the slang, of course. This argument, in my opinion is foolish and a waste of time. Our courts need to read the amendment and follow it's lead. This is why people hate lawyers and judges, because they twist words and invent meanings that do not exist...... Supported, of course, by those paying the bills (for justice[?])! It does suck but, there it is. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf