[mos19k]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Big Dog

I believe EMP isn't nearly the bugaboo many think. Many electrical devices would still work. Simple generators can still be built to charge batteries and run motorised equipment. Old tube gear will likely survive, and can be used. Old diesel powered vehicles will still run. Generators could be made to replace fried alternators. As the Marines say: "ADAPT AND OVERCOME!"

I humbly disagree, if the EMP affects our transportation chaos will ensue. How much food do you think the average American has in his house (not us but the common city dweller)? Society collapses every time we have a natural disaster, you see anarchy in the streets, if the people cannot get produce into the city they will riot and the riots will spill to the suburbs and from there to the country side. Most medical equipment will cease to work, so no operations, thousands will die just from that. Water treatment plants are completely automated with computers, how long will it take for them to get back up and running? You will not have any idea of what is going on because all forms of communication will be down, how will you react to this? Your world will shrink down to the size of a days walk, everything else will be foreign. If the EMP attack is coordinated so that it affects the entire world, how long do you think it would take for us to get some sense of normalcy again?
Those that oppose us do not rely on state of the art equipment, many of them are already in place throughout the country, how will they react to our weakness? Imagine your daily life and now imagine it without any of the items that an EMP would affect, as you sit before your P.C. reading this text.
Sorry to be so gloomy but I truly hope I'm proven wrong.

[ArkansasHunter]

CRAP !!! I better go buy a few miles of string and start saving my soup cans where I can still talk to my familey when that happens....

[Big Dog]

Oh, I don't doubt the initial effects will be catastrophic. Many will die of hunger, violence and that ensues from a major disaster of global proportions.

But . . . life will find a way. The survivors will rebuild - using the same technologies that had existed. Not as large a scale at first, but we won't be knocked back to the pre-industrial age.

[mos19k]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Big Dog

Oh, I don't doubt the initial effects will be catastrophic. Many will die of hunger, violence and that ensues from a major disaster of global proportions. But . . . life will find a way. The survivors will rebuild - using the same technologies that had existed. Not as large a scale at first, but we won't be knocked back to the pre-industrial age.

I agree, we will rebuild, am not saying we'll be knocked back to pre-1960's, or whenever the transistor came along. But we should be prepared for an extended cycle of chaos and lack of essential services.

[maarten221]

Shees, don't y'all watch Jericho!

Just kidding. I'm working on getting an older diesel engined VW Rabbit. Gets about 50mpg with no electronics except a started selenoid - and it is not needed, as you can "run start" the car - it is light enough.

The inverters I'm working on getting together for the solar/wind setup will be shielded. Also do yourself a favor and look into homemade batteries. The problem isn't generating the power - it is storing/controlling it.

[tommy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ruger22com

It would be like it is now..about a month out of the year here on the gulf coast during hurricane season. no power, no a/c, no gas....cooking on a gas grill....

i like your post . some people feakout when they think of no power or food or transportation for a week or two or even more but down here we do that every year .lol. i have about 6 propane bottles in the shed a gas grill and between me and my dad we have 3 generators and enough gas cans to fill up not to mention a plastic 25 gallon drum too.if the cars don't run anymore then we have a nice supply of gas to get out of them tanks at night. it's the city folks that are going to be hit hard i think and the ones that don't go without every year.

[ArkansasHunter]

Hey Tommy do you live out in the country and what parish do you live in.
Just curious...Mike

[mos19k]

I brought this topic up at another forum and a few of the members referred me to a story called "Lights Out" a good read and with some good ideas. Here's the link to anyone interested in it.

http://www.giltweasel.com/stuff/LightsOut-Current.pdf

[tommy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Hey Tommy do you live out in the country and what parish do you live in. Just curious...Mike

i live in the country in terrebonne parrish. about a mile north of hwy 90. if you go 20 miles south then you are in the gulf of mexico.

[ArkansasHunter]

Tommy I guess yor cajun right...you eat blood budine ? A.H

[tommy]

yea i'm a coonass. and yes i eat the heck out of that boudin.lol but i don't know if they still make it with the blood of the pigs still i would have to check into it for you but that's some good stuff.down here we pretty much eat anything that moves. man i was getting into that book (lights out) i can relate to that so much it's not even funny. like when they gota go drive with all the cans to get gas for the generators we do that a few weeks a year down here and that best part that i like about the book so for is the people in the subdivision and the kids and the cell phones. man i was laughing .when the power goes out after a huricane and we are without power i hate to say it but everyone came out of thier houses and talked they asked what do you need we had like huge block party there was no cops i was useing my hpx to get around on the streets and go to the houses we all came together and helped each other.one guy who worked for a a/c company had a huge ice maker so some had ice for the beer and cold drinks and we would just sit out in the middle of the streets and talk know body went to work because there was know electricity to work with everything was shut down. but hey people came out their house and talked to one another . and as for as food me and my son went to a food store and had to wait in line for about an hour to get about 80.00 worth of food the next store was a sports academy store and we went into there and like the book there was a few stoere employees there and they had a bunch of stuff pulled to the front of the store and they wouldn't let you past that point if you wanted something esle you had to tell them what it was and they would go get it with a flashlight. not to mention everything was a cash sale and the money ran out fast so we had to start getting up at 6oclock in the mornin so we could drive to lafayette to get food and gas thats an hour and a half ride.. i know how bad it can get without any law and order and no eletricty. trust me thes emp is no joking matter if someone was to pull one off picture a katrina across the u.s.a remember the cunfusion in the city of new or;eans after that storm with no power well try that in every city atleast after a hurican they have a city to evacuate to if one of the emp's would hit about all you can do if get with your buddies and form a pack get dry box dinners like( lippton noodles and other stuff) and canned goods. try to stay away from stuff that has to be kept cool get some flour and yeast (make your own bread) you can get a few loafs of bread bt they will go bad in a week but if you have a few bags of flour and yeast you can make a bunch of bread when you need it . i have me a few of them colman camp stoves and i have ten bottles of the little propane bottles not to mention we have the 6 big 5 gallon propane tanks too. the list can go on for ever as to what you can do to prepare for something like this.

[Stopper]

no better advice Tommy, Thanks man!

[mos19k]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tommy

picture a katrina across the u.s.a remember the cunfusion in the city of new or;eans after that storm with no power well try that in every city atleast after a hurican they have a city to evacuate to if one of the emp's would hit about all you can do if get with your buddies and form a pack get dry box dinners like( lippton noodles and other stuff) and canned goods. try to stay away from stuff that has to be kept cool get some flour and yeast (make your own bread) you can get a few loafs of bread bt they will go bad in a week but if you have a few bags of flour and yeast you can make a bunch of bread when you need it . i have me a few of them colman camp stoves and i have ten bottles of the little propane bottles not to mention we have the 6 big 5 gallon propane tanks too. the list can go on for ever as to what you can do to prepare for something like this.

We go through the same thing down here every time a hurricane decides to pay a visit. I don't know how close to a city any of you might live by but I live in the suburbs of Miami and I know I can expect riots and looting. We get that here on the drop of a hat. I have plenty of supplies one thing you can never have enough of is fresh water. We currently have a 100 gallon bladder, hope to increase that to 300 gallons and at least one extra Katadyne hand pumped water filter. I have an old Honda Odyssey Dunebuggy that should be able to get me around in an EMP scenario but like in the book you have to convoy where ever you go.
I'm almost finished reading "Lights Out" its a much better read than I expected.

[tommy]

hey mos19k! don't that lights out book remind you of life after a huricane?i'm gonna go buy that book i'm on chapter16 right now.it just gets better and better. we got off easy last year we didn't have not one storm come our way(knock on wood) watch this year be a big one again. down in miami ya'll get hit from both end or should i say east /west/ and south.

[mos19k]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tommy

hey mos19k! don't that lights out book remind you of life after a huricane?i'm gonna go buy that book i'm on chapter16 right now.it just gets better and better. we got off easy last year we didn't have not one storm come our way(knock on wood) watch this year be a big one again. down in miami ya'll get hit from both end or should i say east /west/ and south.

I've posted this before, when Andrew hit in '92 looting was rampant. I had to help a friend of mine defend his store, he was near an area that was being hit pretty hard by the scum. I guess the site of two overweight Cubans on the roof holding a Mini-14 and a AR15 was enough to discourage the looters, I'm sure the two Rottwiellers we had didn't hurt either. Andrew was a prep for what might occur in an EMP attack. I'm geared up for a rough hurricane season, don't think we'll dodge the bullet twice.

[tommy]

yea i remember andrew he was a bad one we took a pretty much direct hit from him i think we was without power for a week and a half maybe two. people go crazy when they ain't got no power or food .i really don't look foward to the season .

[mos19k]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tommy

yea i remember andrew he was a bad one we took a pretty much direct hit from him i think we was without power for a week and a half maybe two. people go crazy when they ain't got no power or food .i really don't look foward to the season .

I hear ya brother, here's hoping for another quiet year.

[ArkansasHunter]

tommy and mos19 Thanks !!! sounds like yall been there and done that.
we can learn alot from yall. A.H

[tommy]

i was thinkin about everyone waning water supplies and the first thing that came to my mind was them entek pools . they come with a cover and you can fill one in a matter of 4 hours 36"x12' and if you get some chloreine tablets you can keep the water clean for weeks and use it for drinkin and what ever they are small enough and cheap enough to keep in a shed stored away but hey if you see a storm that is big comin break it out and fill it up it can hold now i ain't no math man but i'm guessin around 5k gallons of water or more . they would make one heck of a water bladderand you don't have to hook the pump up to it you can put a valve in the place of the pump and just open the valve when you need water that way you can keep the lid on. and if it rains just take the lid off and let mother nature do it's work and refill it for you. i'm not bragging but (A.H) has a point you can learn alot about surviving without power and gas from people on the gulf coast being we do it for a few week a year . like they say if you can go without for a few weeks you really don't need it it just reminds you of how good you had it before the power went out and you had gas to get around that little 10 minute trip to wallyworld now will take you 2 or 3 hours and thats if the store is still open because most stores shut down and close the doors and the ones that are open only stay open until they run out of what they have so you better get it while it's there because it probably won't bethere the next time you go to get it or the store won't be open.

alot of people think well if the store is open and the shelvs are full then i can eat well thats not really true because alot of the food will go bad or needs to be cooked what you need is instant food and the next time you go to your local store take a good look around and see just how much instant food there is versus food that you have to cook. the one thing that i found funny about the book (lights out ) was even though they knew they was running out of food they were still eating 3 meals a day we don't do that down here when we ain't got no lights or food is short . we cut it back to one meal a day if you can get a bunch of candy bars for during the day to keep you going or peanut butter that is the best thing for energy a good peanut butter sanwich will keep you going til supper and if it won't well then i guess you will just have to loose a few pounds .lol but one good meal in the afternoon when it's kinda cool will do a person good and he will not starve anyone who needs 3 meals a day to survive is spoiled rotin and needs an eye opener.

[mos19k]

It never ceases to amaze me on how completely dependent on the government people are. I see it here after every hurricane, the lines for food and water distribution over two miles long and that's in the upper middle class neighborhoods, I can't imagine how long they must be in the inner city. People come to my house and see my "Emergency" pantry and ask why I keep so much food on hand. When I tell them, many chuckle and say, "man, you're waisting your money FEMA will give you food and water for free." Mind you, others stick around afterward and ask me what they should have in case of a hurricane.
I think it's pretty basic, have shelter, water, food and a way to prepare the food. That's pretty basic and simple.
For Christmas in 2005 (after all the hurricanes)I gave my friends a Coleman stove and a one quart propane canister. They all thanked me and many have called me back after a prolonged power outage to thank me again for the stove. It doesn't take a lot of money if you spread things out over a period of time. The stove was $40, a 4 pack of propane is about $7, for food just buy an extra can or 2 or whatever it is you like.
Many people tend to think that survival food has to be MRE's or beef jerky. In today's supermarkets you can find just about anything that's canned or designed for a long shelf life. I bought a cook book called "Apocalypse Chow" by Jon and Robin Robertson, great ideas on how to make meals from your pantry, all the meals are vegetarian but meat can be added to most of the dishes.
This has been a really long post and not really on topic, I apologize for that. I know I'm preaching to the choir but if each of us can teach a few of our friends to be self sufficient during times of crises I think we've helped them and helped our Country.