[billy]

Haha!!!...conspiracy theories to as why I closed the forum.
teehee that was just what i thought as i was reading down this. and then i see you got to say it first!

[ash]

The truth is I tracked down Chris and finally removed the brain slug that Rufus had attached to him, facilitating the creation of the political forums in the first place.

[Mooseman684]

A lot of us G&G members are now going to the *******.com forum where we can openly discuss Politics, so I'm spending a little less time on this forum.
I will say however I don't like it That G&G forced us to move, when Free speech should be number one in America, whether you like it or not. I always figured you didn't have to look at the threads you don't like, and you certainly don't have to respond to them either...We are all entitled to our opinions, It is the American way. If we were all face to face in a large building having a convention, who is going to tell us what we can and can't talk about ? I suspect nobody including the buildings owner. The internet lets us gather in a "Room" from the comfort of our homes from everywhere,to discuss things and Gun ownership and Game hunting is Unfortunately tied to politics. I'm glad nobody could hear me when my poll on the .50 BMG Rifle was Locked because of a few political comments...It was just WRONG, and I was PO'd to say the least.I believe in FREEDOM...Not Censorship of any kind, plus you can draw your own conclusions from all points of view, right wing or Left wing, it is all just information from different perspectives.My question is : Who was this Hurting, Physically, or Mentally ??? Anybody ??? Certainly not me..This is My Opinion and how I feel about it.
Rich

[SKS NOOB]

Hrmph! Politics of any type is involved in everything. It's part of life down to how we deal with eachother on these forums. It will never be totally removed.

[Chris]

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where we can openly discuss politics

Last time I checked, this was a gun and game forum where you can openly discuss firearms (building,shooting, issues, and even read the latest news such a bans and alerts.)

This thread needs to be cleaned up and split into 2 different threads. I have shown disrespect to BRG3 for taking the time and setting this thread up to help the members of G&G, and it went down the drain very quickly.

[BattleRifleG3]

The whole direction this thread has taken is nonsense. The accusations made here disgust me. Do any of you really believe what you're saying, or is this just an attempt to inflame the membership?

The whole point of this thread was to direct people to share their views in a space provided by this forum that wasn't the public square, but each person's own weblog, which others can read and comment on according to the way the writer sets it up.

Before this thread, people had the impression that any political and controversial topics were unwelcome. My whole point was to open the door for their presentation in a more orderly way.

If you don't see that, I don't think you read the first post in this thread.

[SKS NOOB]

BG3 The post was fair and clear. Just too many people unecessarily bitter about the political forum going down. Myself, I just kept seeing political type discussions comming up so I was thinking "Ok, why did they go down?". In light of the responses everybody has to each other and the moderators, I can definately see WHY it went down. Friends can become enemies fast when one thinks somebody else is politically incorrect in their beliefs. The blog is the best mid-way point that can be provided for this. It's much better than nothing, I think.

[CrazyIvan]

I don't think anyone here is questioning the political views of others. We are questioning the reasoning behind their censoring of the political views of others.

For those of us who engaged in it, we never said someone should or shouldn't say anything. We all agreed that we each had the right to speak how we feel or think about a certain subject. Disagreement on those things was of course part of the discussions, but silencing one another was not.

[troy2000]

There's no question of rights here, free speech or otherwise, beyond what he wants to allow. I'd say he's gone more than a little out of his way to accomodate us in this matter.

It looks like to me like he thought the tail was starting to wag the dog, and he wants to keep political discussion as a side issue in his gun forum, rather than owning a political forum that also discusses guns.

I think he has the right to make that call, whether we all agree with him or not.

[Lng Rng]

If there is or isn't a political fourm on this site really doesnt matter to me. Its Gunandgame.com, and I am fine with that. We have free speech in america, but we also have private property rights. If Chris says no politcal forums, thats the final word.

[CrazyIvan]

I never said the owner of the site had no right to do this. On the contrary, it is his and his alone, he can do with it what he wants. I have said this before. The point is that we are questioning the reasoning behind removing it.

Anyway, I've had enough of this blather. Ima go over to the other forums the guys were talkin' about, take a look & see if they can accomodate political discussions. Perhaps it will lower the thread-count here on G&G, but that's what the owner wants, right?

[BattleRifleG3]

The point of this thread is USE the blog feature and write what YOU really think.

This is NOT about the decision to remove the political forum which was done before this thread was written.

Perhaps I should have let things be and let people have no place on G&G to say anything controversial, instead of trying to actively PROMOTE free and mixed opinions to be posted in the blog section.

You want to know what happens behind closed doors? It's really not all that exciting. Here's what happened.
1. Mods and admin discussed the political forum and its problems. Suggestions were made, some of which may have not been technically feasible. Admin decided that the best route was to pull the political forum.
2. Mods and admin discussed promoting the blog feature as an alternative to the political forum, since there wouldn't be the same environment for fighting and it would be farther from the main discussions. Instead of back and forth bickering and repetition, let people say what they want in their own space. A consensus was reached and this thread was made as an invitation to start using the blog feature.

This thread is an invitation to use the blog feature more freely than the open forum. I would have never thought that offering a new feature that opens some closed doors would be accompanied by distrust and accusation.

[billy]

i just started my blog and its kinda fun being boss woohoo!

and nobody can accidentally get offended! BONUS

[SKS NOOB]

BRG3, yer right. I think they are lookin at what they lost and not what they gained. Billy is seeing that already what was gained.

[heilung]

Survival of the Fittest Blogs: The Trash will fade, the good, interesting writing will procreate and multiply. Heilung

[billy]

yep and mines a self centrist piece o trash!

[troy2000]

I went off and started my own blog last week, stared at a blank page, and realized something: I'm basically a counter-puncher.

I do better when I have a news article, or another person's post, to reference, react and respond to.

Guess I'll have to work on modifying my verbal boxing style...

[BattleRifleG3]

One reason for promoting blogging over hashing over news articles is that it's much easier to respect a person's beliefs when they put them in their own words.

It's fine to reference another person's writing, but emphasize your own thoughts, and offer some objective criticism of your source. Talk about how you'd say something better, or where you agree or disagree.

I don't reference enough. I usually think my references are self explanatory, which they usually are when preaching to the choir on gun rights.

[Mooseman684]

Why was My post above edited as to the .com Name of the place where some of us are discussing politics ??? There was no link involved...whats Up with that ???

[BattleRifleG3]

I've been surprised/amused at what this forum automatically *'s out.

Case in point:
Sylvester the !!!!! Cat