I really like the concept of keeping potentially inflammatory posts on the blogs.
I also agree that this site needs to keep its moniker of "The friendliest gun forum on the internet" - GunnyApproved.com, and one of the best ways to do that is to not have 'flame-wars' on touchy subjects.
And, as long as the posts that are "political" in nature are things such as "Hey, this new ban is up for legislation, go contact your representative!", then I don't think there's any problem with it being on the boards. That, I think, is what Chris meant by not having stuff on G&G that's not gun-related. Now, on that matter, one could then say a picture of your boat or kids isn't gun-related (unless it's what you use to get to where you use guns or kids holding guns), but I think I speak for many when I say I LOVE PICTURES!!! ... and I highly doubt anyone's going to complain, lest they be lewd and inappropriate pictures. I love getting to know my fellow G&G'ers on a more personal level beyond knowing that they own a gun and use it.
Sounds good in thoery, but what is the difference between these blogs (public) and a political forum (public) ? And who is to say what discussions are or are not flammatory or unwanted or "leftist..." or otherwise?
I had a feeling someone that didn't like the political forums made a generous donation to G&G and that is why a discussion of its existence was not offered before it was suddenly removed. I don't know if that is true or not, but just a feeling I had.
In any case, I don't know what is and what is not accepted here when it comes to non-firearm related topics. I am just posting things I find interesting or important, and because the political forum was removed, I try not to get into any political debate or argument with the members here. All I can do is hope that this revised method of my postings will suffice.
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Sounds good in thoery, but what is the difference between these blogs (public) and a political forum (public) ? And who is to say what discussions are or are not flammatory or unwanted or "leftist..." or otherwise?
I had a feeling someone that didn't like the political forums made a generous donation to G&G and that is why a discussion of its existence was not offered before it was suddenly removed. I don't know if that is true or not, but just a feeling I had.
In any case, I don't know what is and what is not accepted here when it comes to non-firearm related topics. I am just posting things I find interesting or important, and because the political forum was removed, I try not to get into any political debate or argument with the members here. All I can do is hope that this revised method of my postings will suffice.
No, I think it had more to do with Chris growing tired of the bickering and aimless rambling associated with the political forum, it made the site look bad
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Everything in BRG3's first post in this thread makes perfectly good sense to me. Thanks BRG3 and Chris for your efforts to make GunandGame.Com the best gun site on the web.
Every time I've tried to access anything in the blog corner since it appeared, I've gotten a vBulletin Message that says, "troy2000, you do not have permission to access this page."
Troy2000...I just left the Blog area after setting up my first Blog there. My only steps required were to click on Bloggng at the top of this page...then click on "Blog Directory" when you get there in order to view other blogs members have set up. Then there's a drop down menu where you can set up your own blog. Hope this helps.
PS...And to set up your own Blog simply click on the word Blogging at the top of this screen and the drop down menu has several options, one being "Creat New Entry." That will get you started on your own Blog, if you're interested. Good luck!
Troy2000...What? No "Blogging" up there? No way then for you to get there until Chris makes it happen. I don't have an answer for you other than to PM Chris with the question.
I wonder if there's other members who don't have "Blogging" feature at the top of their screen yet?
I wonder if there's other members who don't have "Blogging" feature at the top of their screen yet?
Well, I've got it, but I still can't get the GoogleMap to give me a way to list My Location. Every time I look at someone's location from the link under their avatar, there's no link to set myself up. I wonder if this stuff has to be done on a person by person basis... that would suck for Chris.
I had a feeling someone that didn't like the political forums made a generous donation to G&G and that is why a discussion of its existence was not offered before it was suddenly removed. I don't know if that is true or not, but just a feeling I had.
That is absolutely not true, and it's irresponsible to suggest that publicly when all you have is a "feeling."
There was discussion between the moderators on how to improve the situation. Almost all of the input came from three people, one being Chris, the others being mods. We agreed on what the problems are, and went over ideas on how to improve the forum. In the end it was decided that none of these ideas would really fix the problem, just make it more awkward and complicated.
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Sounds good in thoery, but what is the difference between these blogs (public) and a political forum (public) ? And who is to say what discussions are or are not flammatory or unwanted or "leftist..." or otherwise?
Emphasis is on your words, not other people's words. You can't hide behind an article and say that it's their words and not yours.
Emphasis is also on the main entry, anything after that is just a comment, and the writer of the blog can choose to enable comments or not, and can choose to moderate comments or not.
It is less critical how these blog posts clash with the rest of the membership, because it's more of your own corner, not the central square. If you want people to read, you have to make it worth reading. I think I explained well enough the difference between an acceptable and unacceptable blog post. Controversial is fine, aggressive and dehumanizing is not. For example, advocating a zero-tolerance immigration and border policy would be fair game. Advocating racism and violence against Hispanics would be out.
Like many things, there will be a learning curve with phasing in this feature. Expect further redirection from mods without any judgement against anyone, just instructions on what to change. If people don't heed redirection, we'll have to default on a highly restricted blog section limited to firearm and RKBA related discussion.
Posts, threads, members here don't get axed for making a mistake. They get in trouble when they ignore the directions of the people who run this site.
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It is irresponsible? Well perhaps you should view it from the perspective of a few of us.
Ya know, when the Political forums were still in use, I saw people post why they thought it should be removed. Things like: "It doesn't look good to the public viewers" or "It has no place here" or whatever. I always thought it was goofy because, people who are members of this site and didn't want it weren't really that big of a participant in the discussions. It was kind of like people who don't vote, but then turn around & complain about their public representatives. As far as the public viewers, well I thought this site, as any site, was here for its members, not for the public. With nearly 9,000 members on this site, I doubt that it is hurting for memberships. If people are concerned about the view from the outside...what can I say? I can say that it is kinda goofy to put non-members above members. Though it is of a different scale, it is almost like Bush's plan to put illegal, non-citizens above the hard work and lives of legal citizens of this country.
Now you tell me that my "feeling" is unfounded? I saw no other reason for removing that part of the site for members who used it and enjoyed it. Most of us who used that part of the site and engaged ourselves are American's and politics is in our blood, it peaks our interest and it causes us great concern. Sure, there are political discussion sites out there, but none of them have members with a mutual core of moral values, feelings and understanding of some and/or many of our rights.
People who argued to silence our discussions are no better than the far left or the far right out there who they either despise or agree with and simply want to silence the other side. It is not unfounded to believe that these types of individuals use financial backing to reinfoce their wants and beliefs. But, as I said and I still say, it is just a feeling.
This is undoubtedly kicking a dead horse, but I was not willing to be called irresponsible without response.
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I suggest you relax Crazy, it's gone and that's it. Brg3's excuses have changed three times since this got started. All excuses are without merit in my opinion. I doubt they were bought off. But, it does seem the PC crowd has once again gotten control. It's Chris' forum to do with as he pleases. We post at his pleasure. I doubt that the real reason will ever be known. Boot licking, i suspect but, that's just my suspicion. Either way, they win, we loose.....actually, we all loose. the free flow of ideas and comment are now controlled and that is it. This is going to be my last comments on the subject. I enjoyed the political forum very much. There was no harm and it didn't hurt G&G proper because, like the recipe forum it was separate and distinct with no misrepresentation as to content. It is my belief the political forum is gone due to pressure from some whiners among us. Like a bad TV show, if you don't like it, look at another channel. All the lies I've heard thus far simply won't hold water in the face of logical thought on the subject. Chris made his wishes clear. Brg3, you can stop licking boot now, we all understand.....don't like it...but, we understand you had to have your way at our expense. Fine! I'm an adult and bow to your superior influenced over the owner. You win! Congratulations!
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Wow! Why don't you tell us how you feel?
There might be some merit to what you say,there is definetly censorring going on but it is Chris' forum,and I guess he is doing what he thinks is best,although I don't agree I am not going to get worked up about it,there are too many other forums out there,as Chris said that still allow free speech,although they too may fall to PC censorship eventually.
I suggest that if you don't find what you want on one forum,try another.
This one is still interesting.
Haha!!!...conspiracy theories to as why I closed the forum.
It's really simple. I grew tired of seeing so much Bush bashing, and conspiracy theories about why the water in the northern hemisphere turns clockwise. I did a count on how many firearm related threads there were compared to the others...I was very disappointed. I first through the political forum would be an asset to the site hoping users would bring more firearm news and political alerts to the site. It looked like I was wrong, and I simply grew tired of it.
I put the blog system as a neutral ground for those that truly want to voice injustices for anything. This isn't the place to argue about the political forum, if you want you can talk about it in the blog.
Thanks to BRG3 for taking his time to post this thread attempt to help the forum.
Also, CrazyIvan and Rufus do not attack staff members.
... and I highly doubt anyone's going to complain, lest they be lewd and inappropriate pictures. I love getting to know my fellow G&G'ers on a more personal level beyond knowing that they own a gun and use it.
