[Dale]

I got a Glock at the bottom of my Cracker Jack box once. Sure wish I hadn't thrown it away now.

I guess you can tell I am NOT a Glock fan...nor will I ever be.

To me they are an over rated piece of polymer that costs and arm and leg to repair. And, yes, they do require more than their average amount of repair.

I don't want to hear this arguement that many law enforcement agencies have them. Heck, anyone who is a cop, or has been at the buying end of agency firearms know that if a company gives you a gun at a volume low price then that's what the department will vow for. To me Glock is junk.

To me, when the agency allowed us to buy our own, Glock wasn't even in my thoughts. Sorry. Beretta or Sig!

Too bad CZ wasn't an option back then because that's what I'd have opted for.

As far as a female handgun I say a smaller Mak.....or comparable .380 or 9MM Taurus in 3.5 inch barrel. Unless, of course, concealment isn't a consideration or she can handle something larger then a full sized CZ, Berreta or Sig or perhaps a 1911.



That's my not so humble opinion, lol.

I think the Glock is an outstanding sidearm !...better than any other sidearm...(including Sigs, 1911A1s & the "I can wrestle you & field strip it while we fight over it" Beretta)

[Dale]

Although I respect your opinion Logansdad, and always have, I still think the Glock pushed an inferior product on the public before they had the chance of developing a good reputation.

If anyone went to ANY of the gunsmiths in Phoenix and ask them what gun they were constantly repairing in the early 90's they'd tell you it was a Glock.

On fact, there was major shortage of Glock parts because the smiths were using them up faster then they could get them in.

I know of Officers, retired and active, that'll tell you they would carry a Glock as a throw away first. Let's face it, when your life depends on the instrument in your hand do you wanna wonder when you draw it?

And, as an agency we were finding Officers lacking of respect, comfortability and confidence in Glock. After we switched to Berreta I can't recall one instance of malfunction and the need for smithing.

I know of instances where the Glock failed when it was merely dropped on the pavement.

Perhaps they might be making a better gun now....I am not one to experiment and buy one to find out.

Now, if the Edsel was to come back out would anyone buy it? Not me.

Give me something that I know was dependable from day one and I'm happy.

I think that even S & W will admit they made a mistake when the made the Sigma......a fashion after the Glock design.

[Klaus]

The Sigma was a terrible pistol. It was a Glock clone made with inferior materials and much bigger tolorences. Many had magazine wells that were mishaped causing about 1 jam (feed failure) per magazine. It did not matter if you had round nose, truncated cone, or hollowpoint ammo. They also made blowback pistols with the same name, but I do not have any experience with them.

That's the funny thing about Glocks, Dale...people either love them or they hate them...there's no middle ground. Kind of like the 1911A1.

[FireStar]

Stainless .380 Walther PPK/S. Simple to use and reliable.. plus I'm looking for a excuse to add to my collection. (LOL)

I found a stainless.32ACP Walther PPK/S it was unusual enough for me to pick it up...I never carry it....I been thinking about trading it towards a Smith 638 snubnose I've been wanting

By the way Dale I respect your opinion also... what does "Dine" and "Hooghan na aite'"mean ?

[jerry]

Oh yeah,
The Walther woulod be good, agreed.

[Dale]

Dine' is Navajo for 'Navajo People' (and often means 'the people')and Hooghan Naaite means my title is house (Hooghan or Hogan) slave (naaite') (retired, ya know, lol).

Dine' is pronounced "de neh" with emphasis on the 'neh' and Hooghan (old traditional spelling) or hogan (more modern spelling) is simply "hoe gone" with moderate emphasis on the 'hoe'.

Naaite' is pronounced "nah yeh tay" with moderate emphasis on the 'tay'.

It's hard to explain without the sound but I tried. Anglos put much more accent on some consonants than the Navajo would.

Thanks for asking, btw.

Cool...Thanks.

[GlockGuy 23]

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Originally posted by Dale Although I respect your opinion Logansdad, and always have, I still think the Glock pushed an inferior product on the public before they had the chance of developing a good reputation. If anyone went to ANY of the gunsmiths in Phoenix and ask them what gun they were constantly repairing in the early 90's they'd tell you it was a Glock. On fact, there was major shortage of Glock parts because the smiths were using them up faster then they could get them in. I know of Officers, retired and active, that'll tell you they would carry a Glock as a throw away first. Let's face it, when your life depends on the instrument in your hand do you wanna wonder when you draw it? And, as an agency we were finding Officers lacking of respect, comfortability and confidence in Glock. After we switched to Berreta I can't recall one instance of malfunction and the need for smithing. I know of instances where the Glock failed when it was merely dropped on the pavement. Perhaps they might be making a better gun now....I am not one to experiment and buy one to find out. Now, if the Edsel was to come back out would anyone buy it? Not me. Give me something that I know was dependable from day one and I'm happy. I think that even S & W will admit they made a mistake when the made the Sigma......a fashion after the Glock design.

Sorry to see your buddies having so much trouble with their Glocks, but, honestly, I've been shooting them since they became available, and have never seen or heard of such dramatic problems. Granted "all" manufacturers experience problems, from time to time, usually model specific, and in limited lots, but in the hundreds of officers I've trained in the many departments that use Glocks, almost exclusively, I've never seen, nor heard of the kinds of problems you've described.

As for the Sigma, its always been a POS. A very poor patent infringment of the Glock...

[GlockGuy 23]

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Originally posted by logansdad Let's say you have a mother, sister, cousin or daughter who expresses an interest in acquiring a defensive concealed carry sidearm :nod: it happens... What would you want them to get ? Why ? :nod: :nod:

Do yourself a favor and find a range, or several of them, that rents/loans as wide a variety of guns, as possible. Bring said lady to these ranges and try as many pistols/revolvers as possible, for fit. Have her shoot all of them (the ones that fit), lots of times and have her choose the one she likes best. If possible, try to keep her in a 9mm or better, for defensive use. Try to discourage her from choosing a gun, because its "cute". If she's serious about defending herself, she should understand that choosing a tool to protect her life should not be a fashion statement...

[FEG]

I stayed off of this thread for a while, purely because my personal experience with this was pretty low when it started (this thread is getting kind of old...). I mention this not to pick on GnG members, but because a lot of ladies have began expressing interest in firearms since 9/11. It is STILL on the rise. It seems like the male population has moved on, but he females are not so complacent.

At any rate, never underestimate a female shooter. Unlike the guys, she may not have grown up with some of the mythology (like .45 is MACHO LOAD). Most women shoot .45 very well, until some insecure jerk tells her that it is an MX missile in disguise...

Most first-time female shooters do much better than I think I would (imagining I never fired ANY gun before 18-21, for example). I guess it's hard to really extrapolate something like that, but women never "shoot like girls" unless someone sets them up.

Example. I was at the range one day (a pretty remote, rural sort of excuse) when some younger people were there shooting. A young lady (I guess 19) couldn't get on paper with an AR-15. I never shot the rifle, but it seemd like from the others' reactions that it wasn't the gun. I did a VERY stupid thing. I handed her a 12 guage witha folder and said "if you can empty this, you can shoot anything." She did it, and was on paper an hour later.

In retrospect, this was a big mistake. This is not the literal equivalent of "throwing someone into the deep end." However, it could have backfired in a number of ways. Fortunately, the Mossberg didn't scare her off, and I actually did offer constructive criticism as well. Still, I think coming on too strong (arrogant, whatever you care to call it) doesn't help what our real goal should be. I am not Superman. I cannot defend everyone in the world that happens to have two X chromosomes. If we are serious about the RKBA, we need to be training and assisting as many ladies as possible.

You've got that right FEG !

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

I asked this question to a dealer once and he suggested a revolver and even possibly one without the hammer thumb. He said this is what his wife carries and they are less likely to malfunction. Stay away from the titaniums if she doens't shoot much as the recoil may bounce around too much for her to aim succesfully. Unfortunately I could never get my wife to get comfortable enough with a pistol to get her to buy one or even shoot for that matter.

Maks are good; lightweight, small and double action. They are cheap and reliable and can still be found for around 160$. Careful some of them have that odd chamber of 9x18 (or is it 19) and will not use 9mm parabellum!

[Klaus]

The 9x18 is one of the most widely used pistol cartridges in the world and widely available! True, it is not as popular as the 9x19 or the 9x17 in the US, but you can get it, easily, in many different types of ball and hollowpoint ammo. Makarov pistols do NOT use 9mm para ammo at all. Period. A small percentage were made in 9x17 (.380ACP). The 9x18 is more powerful than a .380, but less than a 9mm parabellum.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Klaus. I did not know that the mak ammo was so widely available; I knew it was around in surplus form but had no idea of its availability.

[MuddyJEEP.com]

I personally recommend a Kel-Tec P-32...way small, easy to handle...not a big macho gun...easy to conceal and carry , size and weight wise, and with the RBCD ammo available..packs a decent wallop for a .32 caliper
check 'em out at www.kel-tec.com they offer lifetime guarantee and great customer support/service..... I have one and am way happy with it...I also have a P-11 they make if you want a heavier gun with some punch (9 mil)...and both of these guns are affordable...just my opinion :-)

[GlockGuy 23]

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Originally posted by MuddyJEEP.com I personally recommend a Kel-Tec P-32...way small, easy to handle...not a big macho gun...easy to conceal and carry , size and weight wise, and with the RBCD ammo available..packs a decent wallop for a .32 caliper check 'em out at www.kel-tec.com they offer lifetime guarantee and great customer support/service..... I have one and am way happy with it...I also have a P-11 they make if you want a heavier gun with some punch (9 mil)...and both of these guns are affordable...just my opinion :-)

The P32 is all that, however, the trigger is very long and the sights leave a lot to be desired. Also, though it is capable of pretty good accuracy, even out to 25 yards, anything past 7 yards is a stretch. .32acp is a pretty anemic round, when it comes to self protection. As a backup, however...