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Oxford · 04-17-2007, 10:50 AM

One of the handguns has been identified as a Glock 9 mm pistol which was confirmed by a sales receipt.

Pred · 04-17-2007, 10:57 AM

The Glock 17 is used by LEO's throughout the country. It accepts high cap mags and should be removed from the hands of innocent, law abiding, constitutionally protected civilians. There is no need for a civilian to have the same firepower as a police officer.....

BattleRifleG3 · 04-17-2007, 11:00 AM

My first thought would have been firehose. After Columbine happened I scouted my high school for firehoses.

It's hard to say how we would really act in that sort of situation. But with several major gun bills introduced and losing support, the timing is very suspicious. It doesn't take a federal conspiracy, just a motivated individual and someone vulnerable to influence.

samuel · 04-17-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

I think people are a little too quick to call names and point fingers, and blame the victims here.

I'm guessing some of the students DID try to fight back, and died doing it. Going up against a man with two guns, and taking him out barehanded? Not that easy...

And I don't think accusing the whole country of being cowards is either correct or relevant.

Right on!!!! I agree 100%. samuel.

CrazyIvan · 04-17-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pred

The Glock 17 is used by LEO's throughout the country. It accepts high cap mags and should be removed from the hands of innocent, law abiding, constitutionally protected civilians. There is no need for a civilian to have the same firepower as a police officer.....

Nice...

Rave · 04-17-2007, 11:08 AM

I don't know if the class rooms had folding chairs,but picture a dozen students holding folding chairs like shields while crouching chargeing him,I'll bet he would be crying for his mama!

just_a_car · 04-17-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rave

I don't know if the class rooms had folding chairs,but picture a dozen students holding folding chairs like shields while crouching chargeing him,I'll bet he would be crying for his mama!

Unfortunately, the sheet steel those are made of wouldn't stop a bullet or even slow it enough not to be lethal.

What weighing heavily on my mind is that not a week or two ago, we had a shooting on my campus as the University of Washington where a guy came onto campus and shot a girl then himself. The girl had a restraining order on the guy; lotta good that did! What bugs me is that the regulations at our school are similar to Virginia Tech's and I have my Glock 27, but have worked too **** hard to get this far in school to lose all of that. The one thing I have is that the wording of the codes of conduct have a clause that may allow me to carry, but I need to clarify the wording. Here's some excerpts from the student code, found here: University of Washington Student Conduct Code

"(3) Specific instances of misconduct include, but are not limited to:"..."(f) Possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on the University campus, except for authorized University purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the Vice President for Student Affairs, or any other person designated by the President of the University (see WAC 478-124-020 (2)(e)) (legal defense sprays are not covered by this section);"

This is what I'm hoping will be my saving grace, as our State Constitution allows concealed carry:

"(6) Nothing herein shall be construed to deny students their legally and/or constitutionally protected rights."

To me, that says that, since I'm licensed to carry concealed legally, then I should be allowed to carry on campus. Trust me, with the shooting on our campus and the one recently at VaT, my thinking has been going something like this: "I'd rather have to get my degree somewhere other than where I've wanted to graduate since I was a kid... than be dead."

Stopper · 04-17-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pred

The Glock 17 is used by LEO's throughout the country. It accepts high cap mags and should be removed from the hands of innocent, law abiding, constitutionally protected civilians. There is no need for a civilian to have the same firepower as a police officer.....

Please tell me your joking and this was written as sarcasm.

Pred · 04-17-2007, 02:40 PM

Stopper... your fired...

Stopper · 04-17-2007, 02:50 PM

I know, I'm so slow, sorry Pred.

This just irks me, so many failures, really makes you wonder what the blank they were thinking not cancelling school. They had a bomb threat last Friday that closed campus, but a double homicide on campus isn't justification enough to close school????? Get on the radio, internet, cheese and rice look what happens when you let TPTB dictate our lives, people get killed when SHTF in the name of political correctness - which is the number one killer of students since TPTB caught the illness.

Pred · 04-17-2007, 03:48 PM

And so it begins.....

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Suspect Cho Seung-Hui paid $571 for a 9 mm Glock 19, a gunshop owner tells CNN.

He got ripped. Shouldn't have cost him fore then $500 after taxes and paperwork....

CrazyIvan · 04-17-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pred

And so it begins.....

Since when was it legal for an Immigrant Alien with a Student Visa to purchase a handgun, or any gun for that matter? It isn't like they can take it back with them when their visa runs out, right? OH! Wait, I guess that is when they become Illegal Immigrants and Bushy lets them hang out & have fun all they want.

I am confused...!

I can see it now, all of the Immigrant Students who are on the side of Al Qaida are now buying up all the Semi-Auto AK's and AR-15's that they can in preparation for something they can take care of later. And with their financial backing, probably a lot more purchases than the everyday American can make, and before Bush passes another some kind of weapon ban.

PFFT... Excuse me while I throw up in my mouth a little.

Bravo · 04-17-2007, 04:29 PM

Why does his only picture look like a mug shot taken by law enforcement...was he in trouble with the law prior to this?

Like you guys said, he was using anything but high powered weapons. I just hope the honest guys don't get more things taken away from this incident.

Zephri · 04-17-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravo

Why does his only picture look like a mug shot taken by law enforcement...was he in trouble with the law prior to this?

Here's another picture of him.

bravo your right it really does look like a mugshot.

Pred · 04-17-2007, 05:25 PM

According to CNN:

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$600 gun sale ended in massacre

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Glock bought in March for $571; background check took a minute, shop owner says

Bravo · 04-17-2007, 05:41 PM

Gotta love the media.....

A $5 knife sale could just as easily end in massacre.

troy2000 · 04-17-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

Since when was it legal for an Immigrant Alien with a Student Visa to purchase a handgun, or any gun for that matter? It isn't like they can take it back with them when their visa runs out, right? OH! Wait, I guess that is when they become Illegal Immigrants and Bushy lets them hang out & have fun all they want.
I am confused...!
I can see it now, all of the Immigrant Students who are on the side of Al Qaida are now buying up all the Semi-Auto AK's and AR-15's that they can in preparation for something they can take care of later. And with their financial backing, probably a lot more purchases than the everyday American can make, and before Bush passes another some kind of weapon ban.
PFFT... Excuse me while I throw up in my mouth a little.

He was a legal resident who's lived here since he was eight; his parents run a dry-cleaning shop.

I don't see that him being an immigrant means jack. What's important is that he was nuts, and that has nothing to do with being from Korea, Mexico, Texas or anywhere else. And if you totally barred foreigners, we'd still have homegrown crazies aplenty.

bigandrich44 · 04-17-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravo

Gotta love the media.....

A $5 knife sale could just as easily end in massacre.

****, scissors or a scapel could do it too

Mooseman684 · 04-17-2007, 09:13 PM

Why were the Serial numbers Ground off both Guns ???
So many LAWS were broken in this Case it isn't even funny and the Anti gunners will drag the blood of the victims right into the Debate...You Can NOT legislate Morality just as you can't stop a Criminal that wants to break laws that are only enforceable if cops get Lucky before it Happens...
We arm Pilots Now since 9/11, its time to arm Teachers and Faculty as well!
Rich

Pred · 04-17-2007, 09:33 PM

This brought up an interesting conversation between a friend and I at work today. We are both gun owners, hunters, and both love our freedoms. A few weeks ago our employer put into writing that we are not allowed to have firearms on the property, including in our cars, and even if we are on company time in our own cars(don't understand how that is legal but anyways). It's every citizens right to both protect themselves and be safe from harm. However if a company takes that right away, it should then be their responsibility to keep their employees safe, meaning telling them to run if something happens will not work. I'm going to have to investigate this further.

04-17-2007, 10:50 AM	#61
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 12,948 Trader Rating: (0)	One of the handguns has been identified as a Glock 9 mm pistol which was confirmed by a sales receipt. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right". Last edited by Oxford; 04-18-2007 at 03:54 PM.

04-17-2007, 11:00 AM	#63
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	My first thought would have been firehose. After Columbine happened I scouted my high school for firehoses. It's hard to say how we would really act in that sort of situation. But with several major gun bills introduced and losing support, the timing is very suspicious. It doesn't take a federal conspiracy, just a motivated individual and someone vulnerable to influence. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-17-2007, 11:08 AM	#66
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,735 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't know if the class rooms had folding chairs,but picture a dozen students holding folding chairs like shields while crouching chargeing him,I'll bet he would be crying for his mama! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

04-17-2007, 02:50 PM	#70
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,209 Trader Rating: (0)	I know, I'm so slow, sorry Pred. This just irks me, so many failures, really makes you wonder what the blank they were thinking not cancelling school. They had a bomb threat last Friday that closed campus, but a double homicide on campus isn't justification enough to close school????? Get on the radio, internet, cheese and rice look what happens when you let TPTB dictate our lives, people get killed when SHTF in the name of political correctness - which is the number one killer of students since TPTB caught the illness. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

04-17-2007, 09:13 PM	#79
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,198 Trader Rating: (0)	Why were the Serial numbers Ground off both Guns ??? So many LAWS were broken in this Case it isn't even funny and the Anti gunners will drag the blood of the victims right into the Debate...You Can NOT legislate Morality just as you can't stop a Criminal that wants to break laws that are only enforceable if cops get Lucky before it Happens... We arm Pilots Now since 9/11, its time to arm Teachers and Faculty as well! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-17-2007, 10:57 AM	#62
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Trader Rating: (0)	The Glock 17 is used by LEO's throughout the country. It accepts high cap mags and should be removed from the hands of innocent, law abiding, constitutionally protected civilians. There is no need for a civilian to have the same firepower as a police officer.....

04-17-2007, 02:40 PM	#69
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Trader Rating: (0)	Stopper... your fired...

04-17-2007, 04:29 PM	#73
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,771 Trader Rating: (0)	Why does his only picture look like a mug shot taken by law enforcement...was he in trouble with the law prior to this? Like you guys said, he was using anything but high powered weapons. I just hope the honest guys don't get more things taken away from this incident.

04-17-2007, 05:41 PM	#76
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,771 Trader Rating: (0)	Gotta love the media..... A $5 knife sale could just as easily end in massacre.

04-17-2007, 09:33 PM	#80
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Trader Rating: (0)	This brought up an interesting conversation between a friend and I at work today. We are both gun owners, hunters, and both love our freedoms. A few weeks ago our employer put into writing that we are not allowed to have firearms on the property, including in our cars, and even if we are on company time in our own cars(don't understand how that is legal but anyways). It's every citizens right to both protect themselves and be safe from harm. However if a company takes that right away, it should then be their responsibility to keep their employees safe, meaning telling them to run if something happens will not work. I'm going to have to investigate this further.