What did I hear when I tunred om the radio this morning?

[Beer Forever]

The first thing I heard was if it wasn't so easy to get a gun this wouldn't have happened. If they took away our guns then perhaps there would less violent shooting. I turned to a different station and they were talking about the same thing. I switched to five different stations and they were all saying the same thing.

We have to do something!! Thoughts??

[countrymama]

see my thread from today about "My Safety" those are my thoughts. I think we need more guns, not less.

[CrazyIvan]

It's all planned, they just wait for things like this to kick it off... Really makes me sick. Just think of it this way: For every 1 day that something like this happens, there are countless days that it DOESN'T.

[ArkansasHunter]

sad but true our higher goverment use's situations like this to take attention off them

[Pred]

What was that group Hogan started a few years after he went to WCW?

[troy2000]

Then of course, there was Rush Limbaugh. Yesterday I listened to him explaining that this incident proves we need more prayer and religion in school, and my reaction was, "Huhhh!?! That would've stopped this nutball? Rigghhttt..."

[CrazyIvan]

Troy, your first mistake was listening to Limbaugh...

[ArkansasHunter]

troy2000 if there is a God do you think the ACT of removeing the bible from public school's opened the door to a lot of the problems that we have in our public schools today.
Some believe this way.

[SKS NOOB]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Then of course, there was Rush Limbaugh. Yesterday I listened to him explaining that this incident proves we need more prayer and religion in school, and my reaction was, "Huhhh!?! That would've stopped this nutball? Rigghhttt..."

That kid had some real problems and since he REFUSED to talk to people, the only thing a good Christain could do is pray FOR him instead of trying to tell him to pray. Even then, we don't know if that would have prevented him from doing what he did. He had some real "demons" in him.

[ArkansasHunter]

SKS NOOB Amen: He shor did have some demons.

[heilung]

I suspect he wanted someone to shoot him. Too bad there was no one to give him his wish. Heilung

[samuel]

He was declared mentally ill by a court in Virginia.This means his record was public knowlege and NICS had it or should have.This means the burocracy,s designed to protect the students and us is a failure and the blame for his actions lies in the federal burocracys.Congress is supposed to oversee them but it seems they are too busy trying to pass more bills and form more burocracy,s that dont work. samuel.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

troy2000 if there is a God do you think the ACT of removeing the bible from public school's opened the door to a lot of the problems that we have in our public schools today.
Some believe this way.

To begin with, I don't think the Bible ever was as common in schools as people would like to believe, although that may have depended on where the schools were. I started first grade way back in 1955, and don't remember the Bible discussed or taught anywhere in my classes for the next twelve years. We went to Sunday School if we wanted to learn that.

The only times I remember God and religion popping up at all in school (as religion, rather than as religious history and cultural studies) were during prayers every now and then. For example, our football teams would bow their heads and mumble for a minute or two before running out onto the field, and at the beginning of graduation exercises some minister would come out, say a nice prayer and ask God's blessings on the proceedings and "these fine young men and women." That was about it.

And you know what? We got through it in one piece anyway. We had no school shootings, raped teachers, bomb threats, arson fires, or any of that sort of stuff. About the worst crimes I remember teenagers ever committing were things like swiping gas or the occasional battery from farm tractors, getting into fisticuffs, and doing a little underage drinking.

[Mooseman684]

Evidently this is another Case where the NICS Instant Check system put in place to stop Criminals Failed Miserably . The FBI Should be held accountable in some form since they gave the dealer the go ahead !
It also proves that Laws are only guidelines for Law abiding Citizens, and they aren't worth the paper they are printed on if someone wants to disobey them at any given Time!

[countrymama]

Originally Posted by troy2000

To begin with, I don't think the Bible ever was as common in schools as people would like to believe, although that may have depended on where the schools were. I started first grade way back in 1955, and don't remember the Bible discussed or taught anywhere in my classes for the next twelve years. We went to Sunday School if we wanted to learn that.

The only times I remember God and religion popping up at all in school (as religion, rather than as religious history and cultural studies) were during prayers every now and then. For example, our football teams would bow their heads and mumble for a minute or two before running out onto the field, and at the beginning of graduation exercises some minister would come out, say a nice prayer and ask God's blessings on the proceedings and "these fine young men and women." That was about it.

And you know what? We got through it in one piece anyway. We had no school shootings, raped teachers, bomb threats, arson fires, or any of that sort of stuff. About the worst crimes I remember teenagers ever committing were things like swiping gas or the occasional battery from farm tractors, getting into fisticuffs, and doing a little underage drinking.

like that newer country song about how it was a different life...we all grew up in a different world where life seemed so much simpler... i had a kid in my class in one of my younger years who's family was some religion that they didn't believe in saying the pledge of alligence. I was little, maybe K or 1st grade, so he just sat while we said it. life went on...

[troy2000]

Mama, I think a lot of it was that back then, it took more time, energy and thought just to make it through. Most people where I grew up were too busy to get into trouble, even the kids.

Come to think of it, most of the kids who got up to no good were town kids whose families were relatively well-to-do. They didn't have chores, and they didn't need part-time or summer jobs to keep money in their pockets, so they just flat had more time and opportunity to get into trouble.

Idle hands are tools of the Devil's workshop...

[countrymama]

very true, troy...the more i think about it you're right...being on the farm, i had no time to do anything but chores, and maybe a little drinking with some pals in a corn field on saturday nights...but the town kids were always stirring stuff up...and the farm kids seemed to have a whole lot more respect for elders and teachers, etc...

[BattleRifleG3]

Some of the literature pushed in public schools and colleges these days is quite perverse. People are responsible for their own actions, but there is such a thing as indoctrination.

Moral relativism and certain philosophical ideas like the "super-man" theory give room to justify anything. They're the last things that kids should be tought except to be aware of them and their terrible consequences.

(Moral relativism does not equal situational ethics.)

[troy2000]

I didn't grow up on a farm Mama, but I was in the country and somehow we always had something to do, from building a fence to collecting firewood to whatever. There were eight kids in my family, and our parents worked and scrimped to get a place they could turn us loose in.

One of my Dad's friends told him one day in front of me, "you know, Dwaine, you should bulldoze all this brush and trees, and RAISE something on this land."

My Dad answered, "I already am, d***it; I'm raising kids."

[JBS]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

troy2000 if there is a God do you think the ACT of removeing the bible from public school's opened the door to a lot of the problems that we have in our public schools today.
Some believe this way.

Here ya' go, Cuz!


Dear God:

Why didn't you save the school children at ?. .

Moses Lake, Washington 2/2/96

Bethel, Alaska 2/19/97

Pearl, Mississippi 10/1/97

West Paducah, Kentucky 12/1/97

Stamps, Arkansas 12/15/97

Jonesboro, Arkansas 3/24/98

Edinboro, Pennsylvania 4/24/98

Fayetteville, Tennessee 5/19/98

Springfield, Oregon 5/21/98

Richmond, Virginia 6/15/98

Littleton, Colorado 4/20/99

Taber, Alberta, Canada 5/28/99

Conyers, Georgia 5/20/! 99

Deming, New Mexico 11/19/99

Fort Gibson, Oklahoma 12/6/99

Santee, California 3/5/01 and

El Cajon, California 3/22/01?

Sincerely,

Concerned Student

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Reply:

Dear Concerned Student:

I am not allowed in schools.

Sincerely,

God
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How did this get started?...

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Let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare complained she
didn't want any prayer in our schools.
And we said, OK...

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Then, someone said you better not read the Bible in school, the Bible that
says "thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbors as
yourself,"

And we said, OK...

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Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave

because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their
self-esteem.

And we said, an expert should know what he's talking about so we won't spank
them anymore.. by the way did you know his son committed suicide

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Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children
when they misbehave. And the school administrators said no faculty member in
this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want
any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued.

And we accepted their reasoning...

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Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and
they won't even have to tell their parents.

And we said, that's a grand idea...
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Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're
going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so they
can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents
they got them at school.

And we said, that's another great idea...

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Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in
private as long as we do our jobs.

And we said, it doesn't matter what anybody, including the President, does in
private as long as we have jobs and the economy is good...

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And someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures
of nude children and then stepped further still by making them available on
the Internet.

And we said, everyone's entitled to free speech....

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And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that
promote profanity, violence and illicit sex... And let's record music that
encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes...
And we said, it's just entertainment and it has no adverse effect and nobody
takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead...

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Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they
don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers,
classmates or even themselves.

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Undoubtedly, if we thought about it long and hard enough, we could figure it
out. I'm sure it has a great deal to do with.!!..

"WE REAP WHAT WE SOW,"

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This explains my feelings on the subject, and the problem.