Proffesor Fired For Pro-gun Demonstration

just_a_car · 04-23-2007, 05:48 PM

An Emmanuel College Professor was fired for doing a demonstration in class showing how someone that was armed in the class could have stopped the Va. Tech. Massacre from going as far as it did.

I do not know how to get this into the hands of the ACLU nor the NRA, as this guy needs to have his free speech protected, but I'm sure some of you are well aware of those channels.

Professor fired over Va. Tech discussion - Yahoo! News

.22guy · 04-23-2007, 07:50 PM

I bet if he had gone on an anti-gun rant, they would have promoted him.

Rave · 04-23-2007, 09:17 PM

Might even wind up the president(of the colledge.)

Apollyon67 · 04-23-2007, 09:54 PM

I thought College Campus's were for open thought? Silly me, it looks like it is just another place for young minds to absorb things that conform to the Liberal Agenda.

troy2000 · 04-23-2007, 10:51 PM

That's a private Catholic school; that's why they can probably get away with it.

Liberal isn't usually the first word that comes to mind when one thinks of Catholic institutions...

countrymama · 04-24-2007, 12:32 PM

no but educators typically are, you don't have to be Catholic to teach at a catholic school. the religious parts are taught by catholics, but the rest of the subjects are just taught by whomever they select for that position. So, most of them are still liberal educators.

BattleRifleG3 · 04-24-2007, 12:41 PM

I believe the Vactican has criticized the American Catholic schools for being too liberal, both politically and spiritually. I'm not talking what they expect from students, but what they push on students. There's something wrong with teaching against orthodox Christianity in a Catholic school.

Oxford · 04-24-2007, 02:23 PM

It's probably best I didn't apply to teach in parochial schools. I wouldn't have fit the profile as characterized above. And... I had many friends working in various educational positions who didn't fit the mold in which some people seem to think all teachers fit. It's a myth which is irritating to us who are supporters of gun rights, etc.

countrymama · 04-24-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

I believe the Vactican has criticized the American Catholic schools for being too liberal, both politically and spiritually. I'm not talking what they expect from students, but what they push on students. There's something wrong with teaching against orthodox Christianity in a Catholic school.

being raised in a what would now be called a strict Catholic family, I think that most American Catholics are too liberal. They vote pro-life, but the majority of Catholics that I know, that is pretty much the only "Catholic issue" they follow. most of them are anti-gunners, because they feel that it is morally wrong to "want to kill" someone, which is what they think you are saying by wanting to carry a gun. There is a really good article about this in the Concealed Carry Magazine.

U.S. Concealed Carry Association the title of the article is Should Christians Carry? its from the Februray/March issue, Vol 4

but, like i said, being raised Catholic, most of my Catholic friends and their parents are much more liberal than Catholics of generations past and my parents often caught greif about being too tough on us (morally speaking)

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Originally Posted by Oxford

It's probably best I didn't apply to teach in parochial schools. I wouldn't have fit the profile as characterized above. And... I had many friends working in various educational positions who didn't fit the mold in which some people seem to think all teachers fit. It's a myth which is irritating to us who are supporters of gun rights, etc.

sorry to have prepetuated that stereotype, but in my experience with my teachers and prof's, i have only ever had two that don't fit the stereotype...

i know there is an exception to every rule, and i thank you for breaking that rule!!

BattleRifleG3 · 04-24-2007, 02:49 PM

Most Protestant or Interdenominational Christian schools lean conservative, but due to hardships sometimes end up stuck with a large contingent of teachers who are nutty reagrdless of political leanings. I wouldn't say I have a parochhial school teacher stereotype apart from teaching what a parochhial school is there to teach, just that there are certain issues which plague parrochial schools and some have in higher degree than others. Ie nepotism, intellectual isolation (as opposed to teaching various ideas objectively but teaching that there's only one right answer.)

Compared to parrochial high schools, Christian colleges tend to be much more intellectually sound and stable. They have varying degrees of what I would call "Christian authenticity", but many are strong force against the spiritual and political wave of liberalism.

CMama, I think you and SRX would get along pretty well. She used to post here a bit but has gotten very busy with the challenges of life and a career working with young people. She's firmly Roman Catholic in her beliefs, but doesn't subscribe to many views which are common among Catholics yet are ultimately against Catholicism and Christianity as a whole.

countrymama · 04-24-2007, 03:08 PM

yeah, i have lots of issues with the "commercialized" church that is the now. i have a hard time attending church because of the demoralized and disentigrating values that is becoming accepted... i believe in being a moral, good person, over any religion i guess. my mom and i go round and round about it...

for my age, (25) i have very old-fashioned views...oh well...at least i can be at peace knowing how i am and have lived my life...

sorry i derailed a bit there...

Oxford · 04-24-2007, 08:38 PM

This thread has sidebarred to comparing parochial education with protestant schools...or even public schools. The point of the thread was that a professor was fired for conducting a demonstration in class showing how students might want to respond in case of a future nutcase showing up in their classroom with slaughter on his/her mind. Personally, I applaud that approach. He should be recognized for his actions rather than having been fired.

countrymama · 04-24-2007, 08:51 PM

I'm sorry I began the de-railment.

i totally agree Oxford. I think he had a wonderful approach and proved a great point that it could have stopped a lot sooner had another student been armed and had the opportunity to "take him out" to be blunt.

just_a_car · 04-24-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxford

This thread has sidebarred to comparing parochial education with protestant schools...or even public schools. The point of the thread was that a professor was fired for conducting a demonstration in class showing how students might want to respond in case of a future nutcase showing up in their classroom with slaughter on his/her mind. Personally, I applaud that approach. He should be recognized for his actions rather than having been fired.

Exactly, Ox.

And to that point, I have yet to see anyone that has said "yes, I can send an E-mail off to the NRA and ACLU to get their attention of this matter", as I had requested, as I'm unaware of those channels. Perhaps NRAJOE?

04-23-2007, 05:48 PM	#1
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 4,091	Proffesor Fired For Pro-gun Demonstration An Emmanuel College Professor was fired for doing a demonstration in class showing how someone that was armed in the class could have stopped the Va. Tech. Massacre from going as far as it did. I do not know how to get this into the hands of the ACLU nor the NRA, as this guy needs to have his free speech protected, but I'm sure some of you are well aware of those channels. Professor fired over Va. Tech discussion - Yahoo! News __________________ B.S. Chemistry UofWA '09 CETME Owners - Founder AK-47 owners - Member The Mosin Men - Member

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.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,221	I bet if he had gone on an anti-gun rant, they would have promoted him. __________________ My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office.

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Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,436	Might even wind up the president(of the colledge.) __________________ Better days are comeing! .

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Apollyon67 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 2,240 Images: 17	I thought College Campus's were for open thought? Silly me, it looks like it is just another place for young minds to absorb things that conform to the Liberal Agenda. __________________ "To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish." Ben Franklin

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countrymama Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: WI Posts: 147 Images: 10	no but educators typically are, you don't have to be Catholic to teach at a catholic school. the religious parts are taught by catholics, but the rest of the subjects are just taught by whomever they select for that position. So, most of them are still liberal educators. __________________ Why yes, I do shoot like a girl! [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-23-2007, 10:51 PM	#5
troy2000 Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 14,554 Images: 9	That's a private Catholic school; that's why they can probably get away with it. Liberal isn't usually the first word that comes to mind when one thinks of Catholic institutions...

04-24-2007, 12:41 PM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	I believe the Vactican has criticized the American Catholic schools for being too liberal, both politically and spiritually. I'm not talking what they expect from students, but what they push on students. There's something wrong with teaching against orthodox Christianity in a Catholic school. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-24-2007, 02:23 PM	#8
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 14,098 Images: 18 Blog Entries: 4	It's probably best I didn't apply to teach in parochial schools. I wouldn't have fit the profile as characterized above. And... I had many friends working in various educational positions who didn't fit the mold in which some people seem to think all teachers fit. It's a myth which is irritating to us who are supporters of gun rights, etc. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right". Last edited by Oxford; 04-24-2007 at 02:28 PM.

04-24-2007, 02:49 PM	#10
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	Most Protestant or Interdenominational Christian schools lean conservative, but due to hardships sometimes end up stuck with a large contingent of teachers who are nutty reagrdless of political leanings. I wouldn't say I have a parochhial school teacher stereotype apart from teaching what a parochhial school is there to teach, just that there are certain issues which plague parrochial schools and some have in higher degree than others. Ie nepotism, intellectual isolation (as opposed to teaching various ideas objectively but teaching that there's only one right answer.) Compared to parrochial high schools, Christian colleges tend to be much more intellectually sound and stable. They have varying degrees of what I would call "Christian authenticity", but many are strong force against the spiritual and political wave of liberalism. CMama, I think you and SRX would get along pretty well. She used to post here a bit but has gotten very busy with the challenges of life and a career working with young people. She's firmly Roman Catholic in her beliefs, but doesn't subscribe to many views which are common among Catholics yet are ultimately against Catholicism and Christianity as a whole. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf Last edited by BattleRifleG3; 04-24-2007 at 02:53 PM.

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countrymama Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: WI Posts: 147 Images: 10	yeah, i have lots of issues with the "commercialized" church that is the now. i have a hard time attending church because of the demoralized and disentigrating values that is becoming accepted... i believe in being a moral, good person, over any religion i guess. my mom and i go round and round about it... for my age, (25) i have very old-fashioned views...oh well...at least i can be at peace knowing how i am and have lived my life... sorry i derailed a bit there... __________________ Why yes, I do shoot like a girl! [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-24-2007, 08:38 PM	#12
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 14,098 Images: 18 Blog Entries: 4	This thread has sidebarred to comparing parochial education with protestant schools...or even public schools. The point of the thread was that a professor was fired for conducting a demonstration in class showing how students might want to respond in case of a future nutcase showing up in their classroom with slaughter on his/her mind. Personally, I applaud that approach. He should be recognized for his actions rather than having been fired. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

04-24-2007, 08:51 PM	#13
countrymama Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: WI Posts: 147 Images: 10	I'm sorry I began the de-railment. i totally agree Oxford. I think he had a wonderful approach and proved a great point that it could have stopped a lot sooner had another student been armed and had the opportunity to "take him out" to be blunt. __________________ Why yes, I do shoot like a girl! [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]