Some Recent School Shootings.

[JoeLee]

Not up to date but note the time-line.
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A Time Line of Recent Worldwide School Shootings
Feb. 2, 1996
Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.
March 13, 1996
Dunblane, Scotland 16 children and one teacher killed at Dunblane Primary School by Thomas Hamilton, who then killed himself. 10 others wounded in attack.
Feb. 19, 1997
Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.
March 1997
Sanaa, Yemen Eight people (six students and two others) at two schools killed by Mohammad Ahman al-Naziri.
Oct. 1, 1997
Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.
Dec. 1, 1997
West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.
Dec. 15, 1997
Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.
March 24, 1998
Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.
April 24, 1998
Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.
May 19, 1998
Fayetteville, Tenn. One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis.
May 21, 1998
Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.
June 15, 1998
Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.
April 20, 1999
Littleton, Colo. 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation's deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.
April 28, 1999
Taber, Alberta, Canada One student killed, one wounded at W. R. Myers High School in first fatal high school shooting in Canada in 20 years. The suspect, a 14-year-old boy, had dropped out of school after he was severely ostracized by his classmates.
May 20, 1999
Conyers, Ga. Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend.
Nov. 19, 1999
Deming, N.M. Victor Cordova Jr., 12, shot and killed Araceli Tena, 13, in the lobby of Deming Middle School.
Dec. 6, 1999
Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.
Dec. 7, 1999
Veghel, Netherlands One teacher and three students wounded by a 17-year-old student.
Feb. 29, 2000
Mount Morris Township, Mich. Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun.
March 2000
Branneburg, Germany One teacher killed by a 15-year-old student, who then shot himself. The shooter has been in a coma ever since.
March 10, 2000
Savannah, Ga. Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School.
May 26, 2000
Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.
Sept. 26, 2000
New Orleans, La. Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.
Jan. 17, 2001
Baltimore, Md. One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.
Jan. 18, 2001
Jan, Sweden One student killed by two boys, ages 17 and 19.
March 5, 2001
Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.
March 7, 2001
Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.
March 22, 2001
Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.
March 30, 2001
Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.
Nov. 12, 2001
Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.
Jan. 15, 2002
New York, N.Y. A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School.
Feb. 19, 2002
Freising, Germany Two killed in Eching by a man at the factory from which he had been fired; he then traveled to Freising and killed the headmaster of the technical school from which he had been expelled. He also wounded another teacher before killing himself.
April 26, 2002
Erfurt, Germany 13 teachers, two students, and one policeman killed, ten wounded by Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, at the Johann Gutenberg secondary school. Steinhaeuser then killed himself.
April 29, 2002
Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina One teacher killed, one wounded by Dragoslav Petkovic, 17, who then killed himself.
April 14, 2003
New Orleans, La. One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related.
April 24, 2003
Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.
Sept. 24, 2003
Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.
Sept. 28, 2004
Carmen de Patagones, Argentina Three students killed and 6 wounded by a 15-year-old Argentininan student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires.
March 21, 2005
Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.
Nov. 8, 2005
Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.
Aug. 24, 2006
Essex, Vt. Christopher Williams, 27, looking for his ex-girlfriend at Essex Elementary School, shot two teachers, killing one and wounding another. Before going to the school, he had killed the ex-girlfriend's mother.
Sept. 13, 2006
Montreal, Canada Kimveer Gill, 25, opened fire with a semiautomatic weapon at Dawson College. Anastasia De Sousa, 18, died and more than a dozen students and faculty were wounded before Gill killed himself.
Sept. 26, 2006
Bailey, Colo. Adult male held six students hostage at Platte Canyon High School and then shot and killed Emily Keyes, 16, and himself.
Sept. 29, 2006
Cazenovia, Wis. A 15-year-old student shot and killed Weston School principal John Klang.
Oct. 3, 2006
Nickel Mines, Pa. 32-year-old Carl Charles Roberts IV entered the one-room West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 schoolgirls, ranging in age from 6 to 13 years old, and then himself. Five of the girls and Roberts died.
Jan. 3, 2007
Tacoma, Wash. Douglas Chanthabouly, 18, shot fellow student Samnang Kok, 17, in the hallway of Henry Foss High School.

See also Milestones in Federal Gun Control Legislation.
Sources: Newspaper reports.
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[troy2000]

Interesting post, Joe. But what's your point regarding the time line?

[JoeLee]

The time line?OK,Well I found it interesting the fact we as a society,never had such profound school shootings in past time-lines.And I was wondering what could have manifested this type of behavior in school kids,and if anyone could provide solid information on just what started this anomaly.I know I can testify along with many other old-timers,of bringing my 142-A Mossberg to school for Civilian Marksmanship Training,after school hours once a week.And was instructed to practice on our own to better our shooting ability in all the shooting positions.But that was in the 40s and 50s,try that today and you may be shot for doing so.I don't know, but it seems the more advanced our society gets,the farther back we fall into barbarism.

[Pred]

Originally Posted by JoeLee

The time line?OK,Well I found it interesting the fact we as a society,never had such profound school shootings in past time-lines.And I was wondering what could have manifested this type of behavior in school kids

I believe a few things have led to the the behavior problems we see in kids these days. First, women leaving the home to work. Call me sexist, but hear me out. When my Dad was in school, there was a parent at home everyday when he walked in the door. To ask about his day, give him support, to have interest in his life. Look at kids today, most get home from school and have only the TV to keep them company for a few hours. Parents get home, have things to do, supper to fix, and care more about relaxing then problems their son or daughter may be having. They buy them PS2's and PS3's, computers, high speed internet, all to keep the kids out of their hair. Second, I blame teachers and the schools. How many kids these days get some one on one time with the teacher, how many teachers let kids get picked on because they have to much paper work to do to care. What happens is kids hate school, they get made fun of, picked on, the teachers do nothing and the parents are never their to listen to their problems. So, they use the net, they meet people who are going through the same thing. Suddenly they have a group now, people who understand them. The more they talk, the more the hate grows. Finally you have a school shooting, and then the media blames everyone and everything, just not what really caused the problems. I've said it before and I'll say it again, kids are not born with hate.

[Rave]

Pred,you hit the nail on the head,covered just about all of it.
Now,if the bonehead officials will just do something positive to correct it!

[JoeLee]

Pred,A big 10-4 on your post vary good points,yes when a kid comes home to an empty house he/she has an empty life.

[ArkansasHunter]

Preds right on the mark ! Both of my Parents worked, yet we always had a maid to disiplien us or they would tell on us when we misbehaved.
So there was someone always there.
1st. I blame the MEDIA for all the villance our children have been exposed to and 2nd the Internet.
But everyone knows this, and all we do is talk about it, includeing me.
The word for this is, and I'll mis-spell it is DESENSITIZED. A.H

[Big Dog]

As the author William Johnstone says in his "Ashes" books, "Root Cause" - it begins in the home. Too often, parents expect the schools to raise the kids. It's not the school's job - so the kids go somewhat feral - some more so than others.

Another good book - "Lord of the Flies" - shows what happens in a society where kids raise themselves. We see exactly that now, on the streets.

[ArkansasHunter]

Yeah Big Dog I started to say that too.
My wife and son were school teachers, my wife was more tolerant to being a Mother figure and may son wasn't. A.H

[Midas]

Originally Posted by Pred

I've said it before and I'll say it again, kids are not born with hate.

I agree with that. Hate is like a giant redwood tree, it begins life as a seed, and with the proper nourishment, can reach extraordinary heights. Hate is learned through the society we live in, and it doesn't go away.

[JoeLee]

Excellent posts by all! Who or what contributed to the breakdown of God and family within our Society,or just plain guiding youth to a somewhat normal understanding of mutual respect for life and liberty?
Yes,I am a John Wayne kind of old-man and will be till the end.As Bob Dylon wrote "don't trust your leaders and watch your parking meters."

[just_a_car]

Hey JoeLee, I know you said it wasn't up to date (this was April 2nd, one month to the day), but figured I'd add one that likely would be forgotten, as no students died:

Two killed in University of Washington shooting | Top Stories | KING5.com | News for Seattle, Washington

This hit home for me, as I'm a student at the UW. Started me thinking long and hard about actually carrying my G27. After the Va Tech incident, my mind was made up: Any 'massacre' that comes to a classroom or hallway I occupy will END in the classroom or hallway that I'm in. Whether that be by projectile, blade or fist. FYI, yes, I do have my WA CPL.

[troy2000]

• Nov. 1, 1991: University of Iowa-Iowa City - Gang Lu, a graduate student angry he had not received an award, shot six people leaving five dead and the other person permanently paralyzed before killing himself.

• Dec. 6, 1989: Marc Lepine, 25, bursts into Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique college, shooting at women he encounters, killing nine and then himself.

• Jan. 17, 1989: Cleveland Elementary School, Stockton, Calif. - Patrick Purdy, a mentally ill Stockton resident, opened fire on the school's playground killing five children, wounding 29 others and a teacher, before killing himself.

May 20, 1988 Winnetka, Illinois, USA 30-year-old Laurie Dann walked into a second grade classroom at Hubbard Woods Elementary School carrying three pistols and began shooting children, killing eight-year-old Nicholas Corwin and wounding five others before fleeing. She entered a nearby house where she shot and wounded a 20-year-old man before killing herself.

• Aug. 19, 1987: Michael Ryan, 27, kills 16 people in small market town of Hungerford, England, and then shoots himself dead after being cornered by police.

January 20, 1983 St. Louis, Missouri, USA During a study hall period at Parkway South Junior High school, eighth grader David F. Lawler used two pistols to kill a fifteen-year-old classmate and severely wound another before turning the guns on himself. [15]

January 29, 1979 San Diego, California, USA Armed with a .22 rifle she had been given for Christmas, 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire at Cleveland Elementary School. She wounded eight children and one police officer and killed two adults. When the six-hour incident ended, she was asked of her motive for the killing, to which she shrugged and replied "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." Soon after, the Dublin punk band Boomtown Rats wrote the song "I Don't Like Mondays" which was based on the incident.

• July 12, 1976: California State University-Fullerton - Edward Charles Allaway, a custodian at the university, walked into the campus' library and shot nine people, killing seven.

• Aug. 1, 1966: University of Texas-Austin - Until the massacre on Monday this was the worst shooting on a college campus in U.S. history. On this day Charles Whitman, 25, ascended to the top of the university's 307-foot tower and opened fire. He killed 13 people from the tower and wounded 31 others before being shot to death by the Austin police. He killed his mother and wife the night before.

June 11, 1964 Köln-Volkhoven, Germany Cologne school massacre. Armed with an insecticide sprayer converted into a flamethrower, a pike and a homebuilt mace, 42-year-old Walter Seifert entered the Katholische Volksschule and opened fire on the girls playing in the courtyard. He then knocked in classroom windows with his mace and fired inside. Teacher Ursula Kuhr, who tried to prevent him from entering her classroom, was stabbed to death with the pike. Eight children and two teachers died, twenty children and two teachers survived with very severe burns.

Et cetera...I think that if the past were researched as thoroughly as the last ten years has been, there probably hasn't been as much of a spike as people think.

[CrazyIvan]

Pred, I'll add some to your post.

Why are we thrust into this world of broken families?

Well I believe it is our govt and big business. They are h3ll bent on making sure we have stuff to do. The media (govt subsidized in my mind) makes everyone so excited about the "NOW". The govt and big business drive prices up so people have to pay more and more and more for the things they want. What does this do? It makes all family members have to work, because well...we just can't live somewhere besides that new $499k Richmond American Home, right? And OH! We can't drive anything but that new BMW SUV, right? Makes me sick how these people follow the govt, media and big business around with their checkbooks and loan applications so they can lose touch with the things that really matter.

It is my belief that the powers that be in this country caused these things on purpose. How do you prevent an uprising? How do you keep people in check? Well you give them something to do. With families going from working an accumulative 45 hours to nearly 100 hours per week in today's household, what do we expect other than a breakdown of the family ties? Sure, we do not have the calamity to pose an uprising now because of our "NOW NOW NOW" mentality that has been shoved down our throats for 30 years, but our society has greatly suffered due to the fact that the family does not see one another like they used to. And, You have friends on the other coast, in Canada, etc...you sit & talk to them on the phone...while your neighbor, right next door, sits in his living room alone just wanting some comraderie. People will drive 50 miles to hang out with friends, but they won't even give a thought or a mere friendly wave to the lady next door whose husband beats her and leaves her at home to cry while he goes out to drink and party.

Yes, it is up to the family and the individual to make a choice not to follow the "norm" in this country...but it is not solely their fault. We are bombarded with these things on a daily basis and I really don't believe our society has adapted to be able to handle it properly, so at some point, we as a society have just given in and school shootings, hatred, suicide and drug use has skyrocketed over the years because many people don't feel they have a place or a family they can really be comfortable with calling "Home."

If you want to do your part to repair our society...just start living the simple life. You don't need the newest car, the biggest house, the newest gadget...you need your family, your loved ones. They will be the ones at your side when you lie in your deathbed. Who has seen anyone lying on their deathbed say: "Where in the H3LL is my blackberry?!" Enjoy the important things while you have them, for a memory of your cell phone number in somebody's speed dial is not the same as a memory your child may have of you taking them to the park or walking the dog with them. You don't need to move out to the sticks to live the simple life either. I live smack in the middle of town here in Denver and I live a simple life. Now I just need to find someone to share it with. That is my goal... Not to buy a new condo in a high rise somewhere, not to buy the new mustang or some other car that I would love to drive...it is to just have someone to share the good times with, someone to create memories with. Who remembers the car you were sitting in when you have memories of someone? Would it really have mattered if you were in a 72 Pinto or a 72 Mercedez back when you were a kid? The memory would be the same, because you remember the person, not he car. I think our society has lost touch with this. It is the general goal now to be rich and famous. Forget having a loving partner, kids you can be with and raise right...no one wants that anymore. Shame on us for letting people force this "NOW" and "ME" crap down our throats and accepting it!

[Pred]

No no no no no..... Being Christian and God have nothing to do with these shootings. Fact is more people have died in the name of God then from anything else in the history of man. I can go to church and read the Bible until I'm blue in the face, fact remains thats not going to help if I'm getting picked on in school, hate school, and have a broken or lonely home life.

[JoeLee]

CrazyIvan,You post was powerful and to the point of the obvious reasons our Society is in decline at this point in time.When I was raising my family many of our problems were solved at the diner table,that being another family tradition I hear is in decline.
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Pred,I don't know?But I believe a Faith with God does reinforce the belief in Good over Evil.Many people come into this World from birth with three strikes against them,but still manage to live a productive life without doing harm to anyone.

[Apollyon67]

What I take from this thread is that people kill people and have been for quite some time. As far as I know, most Governments have laws that say murder is wrong. Yes, I know enough about the teachings of Islam to know they feel exempt from this law. My point being, Society frowns on this behavior, yet it continues. Do we wail and gnash our teeth in frustration or, Honor our dead and get on with our lives?

[Pred]

Originally Posted by JoeLee

Pred,I don't know?But I believe a Faith with God does reinforce the belief in Good over Evil.

God does nothing for a 7th grader who's getting called a fa gg ot while having rocks thrown at him by other students. God does nothing for a kid when other kids say their going to kill him. God does nothing from stopping a drunk step-father from running a crying mother up to her sons room where she locks the door and gets down the floor holding her son, while the step-father punches the door wanting in. God wasn't there on those days for him.

[CrazyIvan]

Well, I think what they mean, Pred, is that if faith was a strong part of our society rather than being lost, then that faith would provide the strength to get through hard times that come up.

But, I don't know...for me personally, I am not really religious. I am spiritual, but not religious. I believe in a higher power, but I find it difficult to align myself with the numerous religions out there which are full of deceit, lies, corruption and hypocrisy. And as Pred said, more lives have been lost because of religion than anything else. More wars have been waged throughout the history of man because of religion than for any other reason.

I just believe in living a simple, good life by being good to people, good to friends, family and strangers even. I accept people for who they are and who they aspire to be as long as it is not mentally or physically harmful to others. Defend the weak and defenseless. Love like you are an innocent child without knowledge of the anger and often overwhelming hate in this world. Life is too short to hold a grudge. Fight for righteousness. All very simple things that can bring great happiness.

It's too bad that as time goes on, wars are changing from being waged over religion to being waged over money. Money is our planet's new God and is quite sad considering the whole thing.

[JoeLee]

Looks like this War we find ourselves in today is a combination of money/oil and religion,a volatile recipe.