05-06-2007, 07:52 PM
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| Banned | I hope He Does Good In Court. This case is still in the courts for two years now he seems vary well informed on his Rights. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Some dumb Indiana Sheriff sits back and does absolutely nothing while an even dumber health inspector trespasses on private property without a warrant. I hope both these people got fired because this guy couldn't be more correct about his constitutional rights to privacy. Smart of him to get it all on film. Break.com - *Sheriff Allows Illegal Trespass |
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05-07-2007, 06:52 AM
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05-07-2007, 11:38 AM
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| Senior Member   | Well did the lady have the right to inspect his property, because she is a health inspector ? I would think so. In the beginning of the video you could hear dogs barking. Had there been complaints of the dogs welfare ? When the inspector decided to look a around I didn't see any dogs or kennels. Was the land owner building a septic tank,line ? Got to have permits to do that, then have the work inspected. There was a section of black plastic pipe laying behind the mobile home and some mounds of dirt. What brought all this into play ? Was the land near a protected wet lands area ? I've got a friend that's a health inspector, there routine is to walk in without any kind of court order and do what they do. In a case like this one I personaly feel the Inspector should of left and got a court order after the land owner refused entry. and then deputy should escort the inspector. I got to hand it to the land owner he knew his rights but what caused this situation I'd like to know. Changeing the subject did anyone notice how the deputy was holding his hands, he was taught this at the training acadamy. They claim it is a relaxed stance, to supposably indicate a calmness in a possible volital or tense situation and to draw his pistol if needed...something like that. A.H Last edited by ArkansasHunter; 05-07-2007 at 01:26 PM. |
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05-07-2007, 09:49 PM
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| Senior Member | In the town I'm in here in Southern NV. Building inspectors came with deputies and tried to enter peoples property to inspect for unsafe things. That lasted about a month when a couple of property owner called the sheriff's dept & told them the next time they try to enter their property without a search warrant they would consider it a threat to their families well being, and shoot the first person through the gate. They backed down real quick. |
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05-07-2007, 11:19 PM
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| Resident Armed Liberal   | I wouldn't swear to it, but I don't believe health or building and safety inspectors in California need a warrant if they've had a complaint, and they can act on an anonymous complaint (anonymous to the property owner, anyway). I had a very strange interlude last month. My nephew called me on a Friday to let me know there were THREE code enforcement officers combing my property, accompanied by two sheriff's deputies. They went over every square inch of it taking photographs, hunting under, over and around things, looking through the windows or open doors of outbuildings, etc. They left no paperwork or citations when they went. I've had various county inspectors out before, usually when someone with a grudge (like my wife's ex) turned in bogus complaints. But they always showed up alone, and left paperwork stuck in the gate if no one was home. They never showed up three at a time, complete with pistol-packing, uniformed escorts. Strangely enough, the same two deputies knocked on my door the next Monday, and told my son they had a warrant to search our home for one of my former foster-daughters and her boyfriend. They didn't show him the warrant and they didn't look anywhere else on the property, including the mobile where my father and nephew live, my 32-ft motor home, two stored mobile homes, etc. But one of them stayed in the living room with my son, while the other one went through the house with a drawn gun. Then they knocked on my father's door, told my nephew the foster-daughter had been spotted in the neighborhood, and asked if he'd seen her (he wouldn't know her if he saw her). This week, a solid month later, I received a citation in the mail and a court date, listing "vehicle abatement" and "un-permitted mobile home" as the offenses. Vehicles I'm guilty of: I have several that are neither running nor registered. The mobile home I'll have to talk to them about, because I'm not sure which one they mean. The one my father and nephew are in is legal to the bone (I had a dikey biotch a few years ago tell my mother, "you're living in an illegal bootlegged rental, and you're going to get the F*** out of it;" she was sorely disappointed to discover that end of the property is a separate lot, and the mobile is a legal residence with all the necessary permits and a certificate of occupancy). Mom's gone now, but my Dad's still there and the mobile is still legal. If they're talking about the two mobiles I have parked with no one in them, I'd love to be told they're illegal and have it stick. Then I could get rid of them (they're owned by my mother-in-law, and full of my wife's junk). But the last time I checked, county law said I was allowed to "store" one mobile home per lot. This place is comprised of two lots, and I have one on each lot. Maybe I'll just burn them down...
__________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 05-07-2007 at 11:27 PM. |
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05-08-2007, 09:20 AM
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| Banned | I wish we had a lawyer with us.But it seems logical if a visit from an official could result in legal action, a warrant should be in order being it privet property.My insurance agent advised me to post KEEP OUT signs around my land for liability reasons.In New York State KEEP OUT means everyone KEEP OUT reguardless, is my understanding.As long as I pay my taxes it's mine all mine everyone KEEP OUT. |
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05-08-2007, 05:22 PM
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| Senior Member | troy2000 Thats very strange, I believe I'd look into those searchs and find out what the heck is going on !!! On a liter note maybe the FBI monitors G&G and Big Bro is watching you. lol...A.H |
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05-08-2007, 09:01 PM
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| Resident Armed Liberal | ??? Seems to me the conversation is still revolving around the original subject, more or less; what's the problem? A.H., my assumption is that the deputies used the code enforcement inspectors as an excuse to get onto my property without a warrant. If asked, they'd have claimed the inspectors were worried about potential trouble and asked to be escorted. Then of course, the inspectors decided they had to take some kind of action to justify their presence and cover their butts, so they mailed me a citation later. When they didn't find any evidence of my foster-daughter or her turd boyfriend anywhere else on the property, the deputies probably did go get a warrant for my residence so they could check it also. After all, it was the only place they hadn't already snooped. I suppose it's also possible someone has heard rumors about the number of firearms I own and the amount of shooting I do in the hills, and decided I might be another nut like that guy over in Corona. Remember the story? He had all that black powder, guns and ammo setting around when his house caught fire, and fought with the firefighters and cops. I'm in no hurry to start a war with the County of Riverside and its uniformed minions. But if someone shows up a third time, I'm going to start raising Cain.
__________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 05-08-2007 at 09:08 PM. |
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05-08-2007, 09:28 PM
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| Resident Armed Liberal |  Not unless they have x-ray vision, A.H. Quote:
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05-08-2007, 10:20 PM
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| Senior Member  | OKAY OKAY OKAY MAY I PLEASE BE INFORMED AS TO WHAT THE HECK YOU ALL ARE DISCUSSING since it seems I have missed or have lost the original story about what the heck is going on ! please someone tell me *** is going on? |
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05-08-2007, 10:56 PM
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| Resident Armed Liberal | Well, we're discussing the invasion of private property by officious government employees without proper legal authority, as exemplified by the case in Illinois. I gave what happened to me last month as a further example of it, and if you don't read my original post telling the story (#6 in this thread), you're going to stay lost, ezearln. I wish you'd check it out. I know it was kind of a long post, but I'd be interested in hearing what someone with your background thinks.
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05-08-2007, 11:43 PM
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| Senior Member | Hmm Troy, thanks that clears things up somewhat. Occasionally we've had problems with inspectors (sic) here but the nice thang about the lonestar state is private property rights are fiercely defended an exception or two apply as I understand it. If (and I do mean they have to prove it) you are in possession of a CURRENT hunting or fishing license a Game Warden may enter your premises without a warrant (but only in your presence) in order to check for illegal wildlife parts meat or remains you may be in possession of. However if they claim you have such they must provide probable cause as to why they believed you were in possession of such, if the matter comes to trial. Otherwise a warrantless search here is likely to get a peace officer hurt if they are even remotely in the wrong. I personally have several "NO TRESSPASSING notices placed about our property , and I am acquainted with our Towns Marshall and he is well aware of my willingness to adhere to the letter and spirit of the law and defend what is rightfully mine. In the end if ANY government employee, or appointee is on your private posted property without your or your duly authorized agents permission and they are not in possession of a duly authorized warrant or court writ authorizing their inspection/search or if they perchance are upon an authorized and recorded easement upon your property then they are tresspassing and round here you only needs to tell em once. If they persist in violating your property you can assist their departure with a swift boot in the arse... And contrary to what they shows in them there fancy CSI and similiar ilk shows if a peace officer comes to you and tells you he/she has a Warrant to search your property THEY DO HAVE TO SHOW YOU THE ACTUAL SIGNED WARRANT that authorized the search that details who what and where the search is to be conducted for. And I don't mean that silly Affidavit for a search warrant. Thats hardly worth the ink and paper used to create it. Y'all should really take a deep and meaningful look at the 4th amendment and really ponder for a while what it says.... A warrant shall issue only upon probable cause and specify the person or place to be searched and the property, person or effects to be seized.... In other words if a peace officer comes and says I have a warrant to search for say 20 # propane bottles which have been stolen locally and we have proable cause to beleive you have them.... They can look anywhere of sufficient size that might conceal 1 or several 20# propane bottles. They cannot however search anywhere NOT likely to conceal such, like say your sock drawer in your bedroom dresser... or inside your nightstand etc you get the idea I'm sure |
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05-09-2007, 12:13 AM
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| Resident Armed Liberal | I'll admit that Texas has its good points, and apparently private-property laws are one of them. As I said, I think those code enforcement inspectors were here at my place strictly as cover for the deputies to search without a warrant. As I understand it, around here inspectors can enter without a warrant as long as they're investigating a complaint, but I suspect that if I pushed it they'd be hard-put to show me one this time. Then again, I know the one foster-daughter hooked up with a total piece of scum after she left home, and I can't really blame the deputies for wanting the two of them. If this is the end of it, I'm inclined not to stir the anthill any more than necessary. But if the idiots keep showing up, I'll start pushing back (legally). I don't like to be bothered, especially at home.
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