Old 05-26-2007, 12:50 PM   #1
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Idaho Teens Tote Loaded Guns "Legally"

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Idaho Teens Tote Loaded Guns Around Town Legally
Sunday, May 20, 2007
POST FALLS, Idaho — Two home-schooled teenagers in this northern Idaho town say they are carrying loaded guns to the library, grocery store and other public areas for self-defense, as a crime deterrent, and to educate others about their rights.
Zach Doty, 18, carries a loaded Glock handgun on his hip. His 15-year-old brother, Steven, carries a .22-caliber rifle in a sling on his back.
Police have been called on several occasions to question the teens but have not found the teens to be in violation of the law.
In Idaho, residents 18 and older can openly carry a firearm in public. Andthose ages 13 to 17 who have parental permission can carry a rifle in public.
"I certainly don't anticipate that I'll need to use it, but I'd rather have it and not need it than to not have it and need it," Zach told the Coeur d'Alene Press. "There's no reason for me to hide a weapon."
Zach was stopped April 17 on his way to Bible study. On Friday, police again responded when someone reported the brothers with guns in a park. But police left after confirming it was the Doty's.
Zach has also been approached by others.
"There have been good opportunities to speak to people," he said. "I make sure they know that open carrying is legal, why I carry and I encourage them to consider doing so themselves."
The brothers carry their weapons to parks, the library, grocery stores and other places. They can't have their guns with them on school property, courthouses or jails.
Not everyone is comfortable with armed teenagers in the neighborhood.
"I turned back so that my wife could verify what I saw," said James Rebal, who called police after seeing Zach with his gun. "He was very nicely dressed and I saw nothing to be concerned about other than the weapon. It's not something you see in Idaho. Virginia Tech was fresh in my mind, and I thought it was better to err on the side of concern."
A lone gunman killed 32 people and himself last month at Virginia Tech University.
John Dunlap, commander of the American Legion Post 143, said he asked Zach to leave the Legion at a recent lunch because Zach was carrying his gun.
"He left and came back the next day (without the gun) for soup," said Dunlap, who described the brothers as "well-mannered."
Ed Santos owns Center Target Sports in Post Falls and is a gun safety instructor. He said the Dotys came to his shop but he doesn't sell handgun ammunition to people under 21.
He said that just because the Dotys are carrying guns in public doesn't mean they're not responsible with them, but questioned the need to carry them in town even though it was legal.
"My advice for them is the same as it is with adults — yes it's your right and yes it's legal, but why draw unnecessary attention to yourself just because you can?" Santos said. "I believe the intent (of the law) was to allow it more for hunting and recreation."
Zach said he's not paranoid or a radical.
"If I was an extremist, our founding fathers would all be extremists," he said. "Without them, we wouldn't have our independence. We'd be a disarmed British system of feudal subjectivity."

this is exactly what i want to see more of.
unfortunatly Alabama only allows concealed carry or i'd be doing the same thing!
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Old 05-26-2007, 01:28 PM   #2
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I think that is great! I would do the same thing. Who would mess with me with a 1911 strapped to my hip?
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Old 05-26-2007, 03:31 PM   #3
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agree'd .... see below!
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Old 05-26-2007, 04:15 PM   #4
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Can't wait til I get my lifetime ccw permit this year, I'm only 19 but my mom says that once I get my permit and some handgun training she'll sign off for any handgun that I want.

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Old 05-26-2007, 04:50 PM   #5
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I dont think you can do that in PA.
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Old 05-26-2007, 04:59 PM   #6
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That is the way it should be, IMHO
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Old 05-26-2007, 06:26 PM   #7
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That was very uplifting to me Thanks deceptiv240 for posting that.
I'd like to do that here in Ark, but I don't think we can carrie openly...A.H
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Old 05-26-2007, 07:14 PM   #8
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Can't wait til I get my lifetime ccw permit this year
Wow, I didn't know some states did a lifetime permit. Mine has to be renewed every five years.
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Old 05-26-2007, 07:25 PM   #9
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Wow, I didn't know some states did a lifetime permit. Mine has to be renewed every five years.
I believe Indiana is one of the first state's to do this.

Here's our law stuff
Indiana Code 35-47-2
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wow i wasn't expecting to see it on the home page when i logged in!
killer story though it belongs there!

in Alabama you have to renew your ccw every year!
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Old 05-27-2007, 03:42 PM   #11
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Nice to see young men with guts and knowledge. Good on them and their parents for raising a couple of gentlemen
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Old 05-28-2007, 03:34 AM   #12
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don't you have to be 21 to own a handgun? and 18 for a long gun? to have them in your name anyways
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don't you have to be 21 to own a handgun? and 18 for a long gun? to have them in your name anyways
yes
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don't you have to be 21 to own a handgun? and 18 for a long gun? to have them in your name anyways
At my age I can say "your day will come" but at your age time sure goes slow.Glad to hear from a real devoted gun lover. samuel.
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i'm just glad my time for 'assault weapons' will come before Bush is out of office, as he will surely veto the 1022 thing and they won't get the 2/3rds majority so I'll be 18 by the time it can pass
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Sorry guys, but the way I read the law and the way LEO tells me it is listed as a licence , not a permit. You are slowly coming around to the way LEO wants everyone to think , Mine reads LICENCE TO CARRY HANDGUN.

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Sorry guys, but the way I read the law and the way LEO tells me it is listed as a licence , not a permit. You are slowly coming around to the way LEO wants everyone to think , Mine reads LICENCE TO CARRY HANDGUN.
oops, didn't notice it before but every other time I said it and typed it, it came out as license instead of permit. ah well.... I'm gonna have to stop thinking I'm thinking and start thinkin'.
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Yeah, here in WA State, it's a CPL (Concealed Pistol License).
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Old 05-31-2007, 07:16 PM   #19
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The Real Story

I actually live in Post Falls where these two knuckle heads are carrying in town. I'll tell you what's really going on. First of all the boys' father is in trouble with Washington state concerning child labor laws, that's why they moved to Post Falls. Two, they attend a fringe church in town where the "pastor" has gone on record making basically racist remarks. This "church" calls itself the Post Falls Presbyterian Church and it is in no way associated with the Presbyterian Church USA which my church, Community Presbyterian is a part of. Our pastor was getting phone calls and hate mail and it wasn't even our church. Now to the Doty brothers. This exercising their 2nd Amendment rights is BS when all they are doing is trying to cause a stir. Right now our police chief wants to stop open carry because of these kids. That is not helping to educate people on the law other than to piss them off and squawk until the state legislature changes the law. If you saw the picture of the brothers you would see that they look like outcasts and many are comparing them to skinheads. They have walked into the library, grocery stores, the legion hall and who knows where else and they were told to leave while carrying the guns. That does not make us, the responsible gun owner, look good. Idaho has shall issue CCW permits at age 21 and that's how people should conduct themselves. The open carry law is to make it easier for hunters and other sportsmen to transport their guns, etc. Off-roaders carrying a pistol/ revolver while riding sometimes come into small towns and mom & pop stores for a soda and are okay in that situation and that's what the law is for. I know we don't need more laws but we're going to get them if idiots like these two and their parents keep pulling this kind of crap. I live here and these morons are going to affect my life in a negative way so I get a little fired up over something like this. Sorry for the soap box but I thought everyone should know the truth before they start patting these boneheads on the back.
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