This Is How To Stop Drugs. - Page 2

Deersniper · 05-31-2007, 09:38 PM

Every time they have a war on something it gets worse. I Just sat in line for 45 mins to get prescriptions from Walgreen's for the little lady. They have this whole nation on some kind of drug whether it is legal or not. Ambien helped her crash her car twice and she fell twice and broke limbs on the stuff. Took her off, now she is fine. Every time little Johnny looks out the window, or has a bad day with the bullies, He's prescribed Ridilin by a counselor. [Ridilin is cocaine]. Then he can't buy a gun. We have to stop the big boys from bringing it in. We are talking leaders of nations here.
Put poison in it, and you can tell where it came from, and who's messing with it. Then let the Cartels kill the rest through in fighting, and then get them and wipe them out.
Let's start a war on B/S, and snake oil, where ever it comes from. I'm tired of this nation being drugged and dumbed down. We have to save what is left of our youth.
Ivan ain't crazy, he's your brother. Where is the standards? It's like reloading with out the right recipe.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 05-31-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

Quite the contrary...I don't want to foot the doctor bills, the unemployment bills, the rehab bills, the homeless shelter bills for the tens of millions of brainless, mindless drug sniffing, seringe-using idiots that would erupt should such a thing become legal.

You already are paying for it and its illegal! Making drugs illegal won't reduce drug use anymore than taking away guns will reduce crime.

The CATO Institute did a study and found it more effective to treat drug use as an addiction and treat it through counseling/treatment than to try to pursue our current use of action.

The goal was to reduce drug use by 10%.
Treatment as an addiction was 10 times less cheaper than criminalizing it which was in turn 10 times less expensive than military intervention.

JoeLee · 05-31-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dceptiv240

have you seen my post! my kids are my life, but their lives are theirs! i will guide them and raise them strong and once their on their on then i will hope that they make the right decisions for them!

Ok fine good luck God Bless,you to billy.End.,

CrazyIvan · 05-31-2007, 09:56 PM

Thank goodness I haven't fallen into the trap of doctors. I am gratefull to be blessed with the ability to avoid prescription drugs, illegal drugs, and the draw of alcohol.

I know everyone is not the same. I don't expect everyone to have the same life as I do.

And, yes, I have seen the dirty needles in the sand, the look in a man's eyes who lost his family and all of that for myself. Just as you with your alcoholic friend, you should know that allowing this to happen to our society would be irresponsible of those of us who are responsible.

Thanks Deer, I'm glad I'm not the only one here who feels this way.

billy · 05-31-2007, 10:07 PM

as an aside i dont get high on ANYTHING. people will get high .its part of the human condition. even if you took every drug away they would sniff gas or something

troy2000 · 05-31-2007, 10:08 PM

...those guys in Indonesia all knew the penalty for getting caught was death, and it didn't even slow them down. Nor will it stop the guys who will pick up the slack and take over their customers.

We should've learned our lesson with alcohol, back during Prohibition. Outlawing it just made the problem worse, and added a whole criminal layer across the country who got rich supplying booze. where do you think Joseph Kennedy Sr made his money? And his kid wound up president. Boy--that really worked out well, didn't it?

Eventually we had enough sense to cut the bootleggers and gangsters off at the knees by making booze legal again, thereby destroying their whole reason for being. I don't think anyone can claim that taxing and regulating alcohol hasn't worked a whole lot better than trying to ban it did. And for those who haven't realized it yet, alcohol is certainly a mind and mood-altering drug, used and abused for recreational purposes or as an emotional crutch, which can produce addicts and destroys live.

The law doesn't exist to enforce morality. It exists to order and protect society, and it should be written and enforced for that purpose. If legalizing and regulating something works better than banning it you legalize it and regulate it, and leave the moralizing to the preachers and Sunday school teachers, instead of putting it on a cop's shoulders.

dceptiv240 · 05-31-2007, 10:30 PM

deersniper, if you start putting poison in all the illegal drugs in america all you solve is overcrowding at your family reunions... and everyone elses!

i don't believe that drugs are the answer, only that freedom involves all aspects of life not just what the majority agrees on.(or what the pharmaceutical companies pay the government enough to let them sell us)

CrazyIvan · 05-31-2007, 10:31 PM

You need to check this DVD out, watch it and see what you think...

Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way DVD set

I am pretty sure you can rent it for free at your local Library, but I'm not completely sure.

dceptiv240 · 05-31-2007, 10:42 PM

have you actually seen any of those show, they come on all the time on satellite?

maybe you should check out this one!
Reefer Madness: Propaganda

ooooo the marijuana will make you go mad and kill your children...ooooo

the government says whatever they need to in order to convince the naive and uninformed that they (the government) are right!

Mooseman684 · 05-31-2007, 10:54 PM

Funny stuff you guys,
I guess you never been to Amsterdam or Holland where drugs are legal and Violent crime is almost non-existent. The Human Being wants the things it is told it can't have, and even the death penalty didn't stop the Manufacture of drugs. Prohibition didn't work...neither has the war on drugs. Europe has legalized "soft Drugs" and drug use has gone down. Alaska used to be Legal to grow and use Marijuana, and after a survey that showed a little over 20% of high school Kids had tried it, the Push from the Anti-Drug crowd changed our laws in 1984 "Because we Have to protect the children"...10 years later the Percentage of High school Kids trying Marijuana is now almost 50 % , over double, so what the heck did the antis accomplish...Nothing, they put the Thrill back in it, "The Illegality" back in it, and made it more attractive to kids as well as driving up the price, so Now there are Grow operations everywhere, and when one gets busted...5 more pop up in its place, so now a "basically Worthless Weed" is worth 5000.00 a Pound...that's 2 to 4 Plants.
What is wrong with this picture?
Rich

ezearln · 06-01-2007, 12:02 AM

Hi guys maybe I am not the most educated nor informed of individuals, however I have been on this planet 50 years, served my country for over 20 years, stood behind a badge and enforced the law, volunteer fire fighter and first responder. The concept of legalization of ALL classes and types of drugs is from what experiences I have had is foolhardy, several times I have heard here the repeated refrain of "Freedom" over and over, Freedom does not imply you can do ANYTHING you want ANYTIME you what, ANYWHERE you want and consequences to society be dam*ed!
Indeed any substance can be abused, but there are some classes of drugs that should forever remain illegal period, yes indeed alchohol takes more lives every year than drug overdoses. Oh and I have been to Holland Amsterdam, Germany, France, Norway, England, Italy with their decriminalized drug cultures know what? I wasn't impressed. and believe me if you'd ever stood Shore Patrol in those countries as I have you wouldn't think their violent crime rates are so especially low.
Some things I would agree with is decriminalizing the soft drugs Marijuana as a controlled substance is a waste of effort, to name one but vicious mind and body destroying drugs such as meth, crack, LSD, Heroin, PCP should foever be a controlled substances and yes brothers I have stared over the sights of a service pistol into the eyes of a cranked up junkie whose only desire was to kill me and get on with his robbery.
And I gots news for you even had meth been legal that man would still have been out trying to get the money so's he could get his next score.
We need a better plan I agree but the wholesale legalzation of ALL currently illicit drugs is not the answer.
My opinion certainly. Others may differ with me that is their right.
Freedoms such as we enjoy also come with Great responsibilty.

dceptiv240 · 06-01-2007, 12:15 AM

i mostly agree ezearln, the harder drugs are a different story but the only thing i'd like to be sure i'm clear on is this......

"Freedom" to do anything you choose... as long as it doesn't affect anyone other than yourself.

when that line is crossed i as well as any of us would shoot that meth-head as sure a a pigs vagina's pork! but up until he crosses that line... "his" choice is "his" to make!

CrazyIvan · 06-01-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Funny stuff you guys,
I guess you never been to Amsterdam or Holland where drugs are legal and Violent crime is almost non-existent. Rich

Fortunately, this is not Holland or Amsterdam. Our country has not grown in modern times with the ability to become accustomed to drug use. I don't think our society could handle it were it to be thrust upon us. Also those two countries aren't all that. No owning of firearms? Sorry, I'd rather have the freedom to own weapons rather than have the freedom to mindlessly rot my brain. How about you?

I always say...if you like another country so much, then one should seek that country out. Me? I like the US as it is right now...maybe not later with all the crap going on, but for now, I'm good.

dceptiv240 · 06-01-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

Me? I like the US as it is right now

have you been paying any attention to where this country is right now?

CrazyIvan · 06-01-2007, 12:32 AM

yea, like i said "right now"

It is certainly taking a nose dive by my measurements...but it hasn't hit bottom yet...

cubbieman · 06-01-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dceptiv240

i mostly agree ezearln, the harder drugs are a different story but the only thing i'd like to be sure i'm clear on is this......

"Freedom" to do anything you choose... as long as it doesn't affect anyone other than yourself.

when that line is crossed i as well as any of us would shoot that meth-head as sure a a pigs vagina's pork! but up until he crosses that line... "his" choice is "his" to make!

well said

dceptiv240 · 06-01-2007, 12:48 AM

right now huh? like right now, where the most powerful crooks in the world are our own

leaders? your grasping to keep up your side of this when your just plain wrong. i'm sorry nothing personal, but i don't think anyone will believe that your really "o.k." with the way things are "right now"!

these are your own words ivan!

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

You won't believe this video!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuUG...elated&search=

Then watch this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK1Y8...elated&search=

No Blogs, no media spin...THIS IS FROM THE MOUTH OF THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!

CrazyIvan · 06-01-2007, 01:34 AM

You're right, I hate the lying, deceitful and illegitimate people we have in our gov't right now. But, there is no place I'd rather be at this point. That may, of course, change in the future. If you want to resort to personal attacks, be my guest, I'm a man, but I haven't said anything to wrong myself.

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-01-2007, 08:39 AM

I'm with CI on this. Personally, do drugs until your brain explodes, I don't care. There'll just be more oppertunity for me. America sure has Her problems, there's no way to deny that...but, we still are a better place to be than anywhere else. God bless America!

dceptiv240 · 06-01-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

I'm with CI on this. Personally, do drugs until your brain explodes, I don't care.

that right there separates you from CI. you just said my argument in its most basic form. it's not my business till you make it my business.

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Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

America sure has Her problems, there's no way to deny that...but, we still are a better place to be than anywhere else.

i also agree with you and CI on that one there isn't anywhere else i'd rather be (visit...maybe ...live, no). but that's nowhere near saying i like where we stand in America "right now" either!

i wasn't intending it as a personal attack, if that how it came across.

Freedom applies to everything, and everyone!

05-31-2007, 09:38 PM	#21
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,662	stop the war on... Every time they have a war on something it gets worse. I Just sat in line for 45 mins to get prescriptions from Walgreen's for the little lady. They have this whole nation on some kind of drug whether it is legal or not. Ambien helped her crash her car twice and she fell twice and broke limbs on the stuff. Took her off, now she is fine. Every time little Johnny looks out the window, or has a bad day with the bullies, He's prescribed Ridilin by a counselor. [Ridilin is cocaine]. Then he can't buy a gun. We have to stop the big boys from bringing it in. We are talking leaders of nations here. Put poison in it, and you can tell where it came from, and who's messing with it. Then let the Cartels kill the rest through in fighting, and then get them and wipe them out. Let's start a war on B/S, and snake oil, where ever it comes from. I'm tired of this nation being drugged and dumbed down. We have to save what is left of our youth. Ivan ain't crazy, he's your brother. Where is the standards? It's like reloading with out the right recipe.

05-31-2007, 09:56 PM	#24
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,342	Thank goodness I haven't fallen into the trap of doctors. I am gratefull to be blessed with the ability to avoid prescription drugs, illegal drugs, and the draw of alcohol. I know everyone is not the same. I don't expect everyone to have the same life as I do. And, yes, I have seen the dirty needles in the sand, the look in a man's eyes who lost his family and all of that for myself. Just as you with your alcoholic friend, you should know that allowing this to happen to our society would be irresponsible of those of us who are responsible. Thanks Deer, I'm glad I'm not the only one here who feels this way. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

05-31-2007, 10:07 PM	#25
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,970 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	as an aside i dont get high on ANYTHING. people will get high .its part of the human condition. even if you took every drug away they would sniff gas or something __________________ just leave britney ALONE! she's going thru a hard time snivel sniff....WAH

05-31-2007, 10:08 PM	#26
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,409 Images: 9	That isn't really how you stop drugs anyway ...those guys in Indonesia all knew the penalty for getting caught was death, and it didn't even slow them down. Nor will it stop the guys who will pick up the slack and take over their customers. We should've learned our lesson with alcohol, back during Prohibition. Outlawing it just made the problem worse, and added a whole criminal layer across the country who got rich supplying booze. where do you think Joseph Kennedy Sr made his money? And his kid wound up president. Boy--that really worked out well, didn't it? Eventually we had enough sense to cut the bootleggers and gangsters off at the knees by making booze legal again, thereby destroying their whole reason for being. I don't think anyone can claim that taxing and regulating alcohol hasn't worked a whole lot better than trying to ban it did. And for those who haven't realized it yet, alcohol is certainly a mind and mood-altering drug, used and abused for recreational purposes or as an emotional crutch, which can produce addicts and destroys live. The law doesn't exist to enforce morality. It exists to order and protect society, and it should be written and enforced for that purpose. If legalizing and regulating something works better than banning it you legalize it and regulate it, and leave the moralizing to the preachers and Sunday school teachers, instead of putting it on a cop's shoulders. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 05-31-2007 at 10:32 PM.

05-31-2007, 10:30 PM	#27
dceptiv240 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: south ALABAMA Posts: 260	deersniper, if you start putting poison in all the illegal drugs in america all you solve is overcrowding at your family reunions... and everyone elses! i don't believe that drugs are the answer, only that freedom involves all aspects of life not just what the majority agrees on.(or what the pharmaceutical companies pay the government enough to let them sell us) __________________ ________[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Ruger Redhawk .44 mag w/Simmons 2-6x32 "FREEDOM SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE!"

05-31-2007, 10:31 PM	#28
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,342	You need to check this DVD out, watch it and see what you think... Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way DVD set I am pretty sure you can rent it for free at your local Library, but I'm not completely sure. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

05-31-2007, 10:42 PM	#29
dceptiv240 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: south ALABAMA Posts: 260	have you actually seen any of those show, they come on all the time on satellite? maybe you should check out this one! Reefer Madness: Propaganda ooooo the marijuana will make you go mad and kill your children...ooooo the government says whatever they need to in order to convince the naive and uninformed that they (the government) are right! __________________ ________[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Ruger Redhawk .44 mag w/Simmons 2-6x32 "FREEDOM SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE!"

05-31-2007, 10:54 PM	#30
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,638 Images: 2	Funny stuff you guys, I guess you never been to Amsterdam or Holland where drugs are legal and Violent crime is almost non-existent. The Human Being wants the things it is told it can't have, and even the death penalty didn't stop the Manufacture of drugs. Prohibition didn't work...neither has the war on drugs. Europe has legalized "soft Drugs" and drug use has gone down. Alaska used to be Legal to grow and use Marijuana, and after a survey that showed a little over 20% of high school Kids had tried it, the Push from the Anti-Drug crowd changed our laws in 1984 "Because we Have to protect the children"...10 years later the Percentage of High school Kids trying Marijuana is now almost 50 % , over double, so what the heck did the antis accomplish...Nothing, they put the Thrill back in it, "The Illegality" back in it, and made it more attractive to kids as well as driving up the price, so Now there are Grow operations everywhere, and when one gets busted...5 more pop up in its place, so now a "basically Worthless Weed" is worth 5000.00 a Pound...that's 2 to 4 Plants. What is wrong with this picture? Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

06-01-2007, 12:02 AM	#31
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	Hi guys maybe I am not the most educated nor informed of individuals, however I have been on this planet 50 years, served my country for over 20 years, stood behind a badge and enforced the law, volunteer fire fighter and first responder. The concept of legalization of ALL classes and types of drugs is from what experiences I have had is foolhardy, several times I have heard here the repeated refrain of "Freedom" over and over, Freedom does not imply you can do ANYTHING you want ANYTIME you what, ANYWHERE you want and consequences to society be damed! Indeed any substance can be abused, but there are some classes of drugs that should forever remain illegal period, yes indeed alchohol takes more lives every year than drug overdoses. Oh and I have been to Holland Amsterdam, Germany, France, Norway, England, Italy with their decriminalized drug cultures know what? I wasn't impressed. and believe me if you'd ever stood Shore Patrol in those countries as I have you wouldn't think their violent crime rates are so especially low. Some things I would agree with is decriminalizing the soft drugs Marijuana as a controlled substance is a waste of effort, to name one but vicious mind and body destroying drugs such as meth, crack, LSD, Heroin, PCP should foever be a controlled substances and yes brothers I have stared over the sights of a service pistol into the eyes of a cranked up junkie whose only desire was to kill me and get on with his robbery. And I gots news for you even had meth been legal that man would still have been out trying to get the money so's he could get his next score. We need a better plan I agree but the wholesale legalzation of ALL currently illicit drugs is not the answer. My opinion certainly. Others may differ with me that is their right.* Freedoms such as we enjoy also come with Great responsibilty. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

06-01-2007, 12:15 AM	#32
dceptiv240 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: south ALABAMA Posts: 260	i mostly agree ezearln, the harder drugs are a different story but the only thing i'd like to be sure i'm clear on is this...... "Freedom" to do anything you choose... as long as it doesn't affect anyone other than yourself. when that line is crossed i as well as any of us would shoot that meth-head as sure a a pigs vagina's pork! but up until he crosses that line... "his" choice is "his" to make! __________________ ________[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Ruger Redhawk .44 mag w/Simmons 2-6x32 "FREEDOM SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE!"

06-01-2007, 12:32 AM	#35
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,342	yea, like i said "right now" It is certainly taking a nose dive by my measurements...but it hasn't hit bottom yet... __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

06-01-2007, 01:34 AM	#38
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,342	You're right, I hate the lying, deceitful and illegitimate people we have in our gov't right now. But, there is no place I'd rather be at this point. That may, of course, change in the future. If you want to resort to personal attacks, be my guest, I'm a man, but I haven't said anything to wrong myself. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

06-01-2007, 08:39 AM	#39
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	I'm with CI on this. Personally, do drugs until your brain explodes, I don't care. There'll just be more oppertunity for me. America sure has Her problems, there's no way to deny that...but, we still are a better place to be than anywhere else. God bless America! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf