This Is How To Stop Drugs.

JoeLee · 05-31-2007, 07:31 AM

This how to stop Drugs and leave my Guns alone.
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FOXNews.com - 9 Get Death Penalty for Producing Ecstasy in Indonesia - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

JAKARTA, Indonesia — Indonesia's Supreme Court sentenced nine men, including Chinese, French and Dutch nationals, to death Tuesday for producing millions of pills of the illegal recreational drug Ecstasy.
The punishment for the foreigners was harsher than that rendered by a lower court last year which had ordered the execution of just the two alleged Indonesian ringleaders.

cubbieman · 05-31-2007, 04:58 PM

wow.... death for drugs? isn't that a little harsh.....

ezearln · 05-31-2007, 05:01 PM

Not when you consider that mere jail time deters very few of the illegal drug manufacturers or dealers. and with so much da*n money to be made in the illegal drug trade it may very well be the only punishment that really deters some of them.
Not to meantion the scores of ruined lives that are directly attributable to the illegal drug trade.

CrazyIvan · 05-31-2007, 05:06 PM

Remember reading about when you could hang a guy for stealin' a horse, or when you could cut a guys hands off for shoplifting? When you could carry a gun on your hip and shoot anyone that badmouthed your family name?

Too bad those days are gone. Some countries, though, seem to know the power of persuasion to keep harm from our lives.

cubbieman · 05-31-2007, 05:07 PM

well, if you legalized them, the money wouldn't be going into the black market, and it's my opinion that if you want to ruin your life, go ahead

crazy ivan-you support being able to kill someone for making a joke about your family? or chopping off someones hand for stealing an item worth $10?

CrazyIvan · 05-31-2007, 05:10 PM

Cubbie, please read the history of our country and drugs. Drugs were turning our country into a place full of addicts and mindless zombies.

Just as I think the Arab countries will never be able to handle democracy and freedom, I don't think we, a country with many different cultures, can handle freedom of drug use. It will ruin the future of this country more than it is being ruined already. It will run down our society, our standards and our limits. Not to mention causing numerous health problems that we all must chip in more and more money to help with.

cubbieman · 05-31-2007, 05:13 PM

isn't that kind of liberal thinking we can't handle freedom?

i forgot to mention that it should be your own problem and you starve to death if you ruin your life.

CrazyIvan · 05-31-2007, 05:21 PM

Quite the contrary...I don't want to foot the doctor bills, the unemployment bills, the rehab bills, the homeless shelter bills for the tens of millions of brainless, mindless drug sniffing, seringe-using idiots that would erupt should such a thing become legal.

Let me tell you something...This is pretty much nation wide.

Here at the county jail, where prisoners serve their sentences, there are a few who have had sex changes...and you know what? The women who have had one...the city pays for their testosterone treatments. The city pays for the men-turned women female hormones. By city, I mean you, me and everyone else. Do you think that is fair?

If you make drug use legal, we will be footin the bill for all those I said above. Not to mention increasing the risk to our first responders and emergency room employees.

It is just stupid, in my mind.

Lng Rng · 05-31-2007, 05:36 PM

And once you start legalizing some drugs, it is hard to draw the line between what drugs are ok, and which ones arent. Apart from that, if drugs were legal, I am guessing most people on them would be people who can't afford health insurance, meaning the cost of their health problems would be yours and mine, not theirs. And yes, some money would be diverted from the black market, but what about all of the lost dollars due to lower productivity?

cubbieman · 05-31-2007, 06:34 PM

what about all the tax dollars that drugs would generate? I've talked with people who have worked with addicts, and they said addicts are not any worse than a problem drinker

dceptiv240 · 05-31-2007, 06:41 PM

f r e e d o m !.... does it only apply when you want it to.. is that what i'm hearing here!

footing the bill for crackheads and losers that wont go out and earn their keep is a stupid mistake. but that was a mistake that was made at a government level by some idiot that was most likely totally sober! victimless crimes need to be erased from law books immediately and all the prisoners serving time for non violent drug offenses released. you want to step up productivity, release the population of non-violent offenders back into society so they can go back to work and support their family's (meanwhile getting the single mom that he left behind off welfare in the process) most of your groundbreaking technology and innovative thinking came from someone who was on, had done, and/or probably still used one of many different illegal drugs that are harmless in moderate use. use your internet for more than voicing an uneducated opinion and go look up what the true effects of marijuana, ecstasy, lsd, etc... really are. you talk about people blindly calling for gun control yet you blindly judge others for doing things that are no better or worse than the alcohol i'm sure you think is just fine. anything abused can be bad. this country wouldn't be were it is without the influence of mind altering substances. whether or not someone uses to a detriment to their lives should be their choice, their expenditure, their problem!

i wonder how many lives have been saved because somebody got high before they followed up on their impulse to go kill somebody that did them wrong!
and before you ask, yes i can go take a drug test for anyone right now. i'm clean but only because of the laws this not-so-free nation forces us to abide by (i have a family that cannot afford the loss if they took my freedom away). if pot is legalized your

right i'd roll one up! i'd probably even take ecstasy. did you know the most harmful problem with ecstasy is that it's an illegal drug so there's no longer controls on the contents of the pills that you buy?
don't believe everything you read or hear (not even me)... research and discover the truth for yourselves! and please don't forget the freedom part! abuse is the problem, not the drugs. the problems lay with the individuals, but you cannot call this a free country while constantly saying what other can or cannot do!

JoeLee · 05-31-2007, 06:42 PM

I've lost friends to Drugs had friends kids die with Drugs,Drugs kill that's a fact Google it.

cubbieman · 05-31-2007, 06:46 PM

drugs don't kill the people abusing them kill themselves. this sounds strangely close to "guns don't kill, people kill" doesn't it?

dceptiv240 · 05-31-2007, 06:46 PM

so do guns, joelee i'm not being cruel, but its the man holding the gun and its the man doing the drugs.

saying drugs and guns kill is like saying spoons make you fat!

CrazyIvan · 05-31-2007, 08:16 PM

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA...so, with the freedom of drug enterprise that you want...the amount of crack houses goes up! Do you know the DANGER of cookin' up Meth? Do you know the danger of the fumes created when making many of the drugs out there? I certainly don't want to be evacuated from my home because they must detonate a house down the street. Some of you may have the fortune of living out in the country where you are not highly effected by people using drugs. You may not see the dirty needles in the sand at the playground. You may not see the clawing and biting at a cop when being arrested for starting a fight that some druggie all strung out high on ice and with AIDS does. You may not see the increase in crimes when the increase in drug use arrives.

This is totally and completely the OPPOSITE of GUNS and GUN rights. The possession of guns, the right to carry guns and the lawful ability to have guns lowers crime rate. The increase in drug use increases the amount of crime, exponentially. And no, I don't think alcohol abuse is OK. I rarely even drink, to be honest.

Don't even try to equate this to Gun Laws...gun laws are meant to protect people, to defend people. Gun ownership is a right to defend your loved ones and family. WHAT THE H3LL GOOD are drugs and drug use? It does no good for anyone!

You stare into the eyes of someone who was raped or attacked by someone who was strung out. You look into the eyes of a mother who lost her only son to Heroin addiction! You look into the eyes of a man whose family was torn from him by a drunk driver and then tell me that you think SUBSTANCE ABUSE is OK!

I wholeheartedly agree with you that it is the fault of the individual. BUT, our society can not handle free drug use. Our society, today, is primarily full of children who have not been taught and do not understand the idea of right & wrong. With parents both working, so many torn families, kids have no where to turn. So, you want them to have the option to just sit & shoot up? OK, GREAT IDEA... It is just like this amnesty plan...secure the border before you start handing out free passes. Fix the family and individual issues before you allow free drug use.

People who use weapons lawfully are, for the most part, somewhat conscious of their decisions and what is a good and what is a bad choice. I can not say the same thing about people who suck down a bunch of mixed chemicals so they can get high and not deal with their emotions.

dceptiv240 · 05-31-2007, 09:05 PM

the problem is always with abuse nothing more nothing less it goes wrong when it becomes abuse. drugs, alcohol, power(such as holding a gun, or positions of authority like police or political power) all are fine till someone abuses them.

have you ever done any of these things your talking about? or are you speaking purely from movies you've seen and tv propaganda you've experienced. if they legalize... people would be able do their drugs of choice more intelligently for one. they'll no longer have to share needle's or hide in back alleys. no more "scoring from the stranger on the dark corner street" theirs to many avenues to argue because you don't know what your arguing about your blindly spouting ignorance.and thats not even an attack just a fact.

how about the girl that was raped because the sober redneck had a gun and told her to do what he said. and she couldn't fight back.

what about the fact that the woman who's son became a heroin addict never bothered to notice his problems because she was a lush or a harlot and the step-father was molesting him.... until it became her problem.

and if you legalize the drugs why would the cops be harrassing the aids infected ice doing "FREE" citizen?

lower crime rates, less violent crimes, less toxins in their drugs, and freedom to live the american dream of the pursuit of happiness. not your idea of happiness!

and don't talk about how it's different from gun rights and still include the word rights or your proving yourself wrong from the get-go. i'm from the side of the streets you apparently only read and watch shows about. i've had friends that got raped in New Orleans by a jerk with a GUN not a crackpipe.i'm not pushing for gun control. i want to arm the victims and keep them from becoming one.

i've had friends that had to go to rehab because they took their drug use to far. the most addictive drug i've seen around lately has to be Loritabs... hands down and every doctor out there is prescribing them like their freaking m&m's.

i know for a fact there's more lives ruined by alcohol abuse than any other substance out their. but i'm not calling to reinstate prohibition.

i'm a big city boy that's been down the roads and was smart enough to know which one to take and which ones to avoid. and everyone thats in this world deserves the chance to choose those roads for themselves as well!

society cant handle what? freedom?>>>>who the

are you to tell everyone in the world what they can handle?

look i give you your opinion... but that the whole point it's yours and you should remember that while you are free to yours... not to take right for everyone else to have one away because you don't agree. if you don't need drugs, great, if you don't need to escape, great, stop assuming everyone else is the same, has had the same life as, and has experienced the same experiences as you have.

its called open-minded and realistic! it's called "freedom"

billy · 05-31-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeLee

I've lost friends to Drugs had friends kids die with Drugs,Drugs kill that's a fact Google it.

drunk drivers kill more people than drugs. so ... death penalty for drunk driving!!!!!!!! who goes first?

JoeLee · 05-31-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by billy

drunk drivers kill more people than drugs. so ... death penalty for drunk driving!!!!!!!! who goes first?

Yes billy in some Country's that's law,I forgot the Country,but if a driver blows and he/she had alcohol,the cop pulls the gun and shoots the offender.Remember that Playboy Bunny that was cought with Drugs and got a massive amount of time?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dceptiv240

the problem is always with abuse nothing more nothing less it goes wrong when it becomes abuse. drugs, alcohol, power(such as holding a gun, or positions of authority like police or political power) all are fine till someone abuses them.

have you ever done any of these things your talking about? or are you speaking purely from movies you've seen and tv propaganda you've experienced. if they legalize... people would be able do their drugs of choice more intelligently for one. they'll no longer have to share needle's or hide in back alleys. no more "scoring from the stranger on the dark corner street" theirs to many avenues to argue because you don't know what your arguing about your blindly spouting ignorance.and thats not even an attack just a fact.

how about the girl that was raped because the sober redneck had a gun and told her to do what he said. and she couldn't fight back.

what about the fact that the woman who's son became a heroin addict never bothered to notice his problems because she was a lush or a harlot and the step-father was molesting him.... until it became her problem.

and if you legalize the drugs why would the cops be harrassing the aids infected ice doing "FREE" citizen?

lower crime rates, less violent crimes, less toxins in their drugs, and freedom to live the american dream of the pursuit of happiness. not your idea of happiness!

and don't talk about how it's different from gun rights and still include the word rights or your proving yourself wrong from the get-go. i'm from the side of the streets you apparently only read and watch shows about. i've had friends that got raped in New Orleans by a jerk with a GUN not a crackpipe.i'm not pushing for gun control. i want to arm the victims and keep them from becoming one.

i've had friends that had to go to rehab because they took their drug use to far. the most addictive drug i've seen around lately has to be Loritabs... hands down and every doctor out there is prescribing them like their freaking m&m's.

i know for a fact there's more lives ruined by alcohol abuse than any other substance out their. but i'm not calling to reinstate prohibition.

i'm a big city boy that's been down the roads and was smart enough to know which one to take and which ones to avoid. and everyone thats in this world deserves the chance to choose those roads for themselves as well!

society cant handle what? freedom?>>>>who the

are you to tell everyone in the world what they can handle?

look i give you your opinion... but that the whole point it's yours and you should remember that while you are free to yours... not to take right for everyone else to have one away because you don't agree. if you don't need drugs, great, if you don't need to escape, great, stop assuming everyone else is the same, has had the same life as, and has experienced the same experiences as you have.

its called open-minded and realistic! it's called "freedom"

Do you have kids?

billy · 05-31-2007, 09:36 PM

just neices nephews godsons and goddaughters

dceptiv240 · 05-31-2007, 09:38 PM

have you seen my post! my kids are my life, but their lives are theirs! i will guide them and raise them strong and once their on their on then i will hope that they make the right decisions for them!

05-31-2007, 07:31 AM	#1
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	This Is How To Stop Drugs. This how to stop Drugs and leave my Guns alone. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FOXNews.com - 9 Get Death Penalty for Producing Ecstasy in Indonesia - International News \| News of the World \| Middle East News \| Europe News JAKARTA, Indonesia — Indonesia's Supreme Court sentenced nine men, including Chinese, French and Dutch nationals, to death Tuesday for producing millions of pills of the illegal recreational drug Ecstasy. The punishment for the foreigners was harsher than that rendered by a lower court last year which had ordered the execution of just the two alleged Indonesian ringleaders.

05-31-2007, 05:01 PM	#3
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	Not when you consider that mere jail time deters very few of the illegal drug manufacturers or dealers. and with so much da*n money to be made in the illegal drug trade it may very well be the only punishment that really deters some of them. Not to meantion the scores of ruined lives that are directly attributable to the illegal drug trade. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

05-31-2007, 05:06 PM	#4
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	Remember reading about when you could hang a guy for stealin' a horse, or when you could cut a guys hands off for shoplifting? When you could carry a gun on your hip and shoot anyone that badmouthed your family name? Too bad those days are gone. Some countries, though, seem to know the power of persuasion to keep harm from our lives. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

05-31-2007, 05:07 PM	#5
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	well, if you legalized them, the money wouldn't be going into the black market, and it's my opinion that if you want to ruin your life, go ahead crazy ivan-you support being able to kill someone for making a joke about your family? or chopping off someones hand for stealing an item worth $10? Last edited by cubbieman; 05-31-2007 at 05:09 PM.

05-31-2007, 05:10 PM	#6
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	Cubbie, please read the history of our country and drugs. Drugs were turning our country into a place full of addicts and mindless zombies. Just as I think the Arab countries will never be able to handle democracy and freedom, I don't think we, a country with many different cultures, can handle freedom of drug use. It will ruin the future of this country more than it is being ruined already. It will run down our society, our standards and our limits. Not to mention causing numerous health problems that we all must chip in more and more money to help with. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

05-31-2007, 04:58 PM	#2
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	wow.... death for drugs? isn't that a little harsh.....

05-31-2007, 05:13 PM	#7
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	isn't that kind of liberal thinking we can't handle freedom? i forgot to mention that it should be your own problem and you starve to death if you ruin your life.

05-31-2007, 05:21 PM	#8
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	Quite the contrary...I don't want to foot the doctor bills, the unemployment bills, the rehab bills, the homeless shelter bills for the tens of millions of brainless, mindless drug sniffing, seringe-using idiots that would erupt should such a thing become legal. Let me tell you something...This is pretty much nation wide. Here at the county jail, where prisoners serve their sentences, there are a few who have had sex changes...and you know what? The women who have had one...the city pays for their testosterone treatments. The city pays for the men-turned women female hormones. By city, I mean you, me and everyone else. Do you think that is fair? If you make drug use legal, we will be footin the bill for all those I said above. Not to mention increasing the risk to our first responders and emergency room employees. It is just stupid, in my mind. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

05-31-2007, 05:36 PM	#9
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944	And once you start legalizing some drugs, it is hard to draw the line between what drugs are ok, and which ones arent. Apart from that, if drugs were legal, I am guessing most people on them would be people who can't afford health insurance, meaning the cost of their health problems would be yours and mine, not theirs. And yes, some money would be diverted from the black market, but what about all of the lost dollars due to lower productivity?

05-31-2007, 06:34 PM	#10
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	what about all the tax dollars that drugs would generate? I've talked with people who have worked with addicts, and they said addicts are not any worse than a problem drinker

05-31-2007, 06:41 PM	#11
dceptiv240 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: south ALABAMA Posts: 260	f r e e d o m !.... does it only apply when you want it to.. is that what i'm hearing here! footing the bill for crackheads and losers that wont go out and earn their keep is a stupid mistake. but that was a mistake that was made at a government level by some idiot that was most likely totally sober! victimless crimes need to be erased from law books immediately and all the prisoners serving time for non violent drug offenses released. you want to step up productivity, release the population of non-violent offenders back into society so they can go back to work and support their family's (meanwhile getting the single mom that he left behind off welfare in the process) most of your groundbreaking technology and innovative thinking came from someone who was on, had done, and/or probably still used one of many different illegal drugs that are harmless in moderate use. use your internet for more than voicing an uneducated opinion and go look up what the true effects of marijuana, ecstasy, lsd, etc... really are. you talk about people blindly calling for gun control yet you blindly judge others for doing things that are no better or worse than the alcohol i'm sure you think is just fine. anything abused can be bad. this country wouldn't be were it is without the influence of mind altering substances. whether or not someone uses to a detriment to their lives should be their choice, their expenditure, their problem! i wonder how many lives have been saved because somebody got high before they followed up on their impulse to go kill somebody that did them wrong! and before you ask, yes i can go take a drug test for anyone right now. i'm clean but only because of the laws this not-so-free nation forces us to abide by (i have a family that cannot afford the loss if they took my freedom away). if pot is legalized your right i'd roll one up! i'd probably even take ecstasy. did you know the most harmful problem with ecstasy is that it's an illegal drug so there's no longer controls on the contents of the pills that you buy? don't believe everything you read or hear (not even me)... research and discover the truth for yourselves! and please don't forget the freedom part! abuse is the problem, not the drugs. the problems lay with the individuals, but you cannot call this a free country while constantly saying what other can or cannot do! __________________ ________[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Ruger Redhawk .44 mag w/Simmons 2-6x32 "FREEDOM SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE!"

05-31-2007, 06:42 PM	#12
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	I've lost friends to Drugs had friends kids die with Drugs,Drugs kill that's a fact Google it.

05-31-2007, 06:46 PM	#13
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	drugs don't kill the people abusing them kill themselves. this sounds strangely close to "guns don't kill, people kill" doesn't it?

05-31-2007, 08:16 PM	#15
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,338	WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA...so, with the freedom of drug enterprise that you want...the amount of crack houses goes up! Do you know the DANGER of cookin' up Meth? Do you know the danger of the fumes created when making many of the drugs out there? I certainly don't want to be evacuated from my home because they must detonate a house down the street. Some of you may have the fortune of living out in the country where you are not highly effected by people using drugs. You may not see the dirty needles in the sand at the playground. You may not see the clawing and biting at a cop when being arrested for starting a fight that some druggie all strung out high on ice and with AIDS does. You may not see the increase in crimes when the increase in drug use arrives. This is totally and completely the OPPOSITE of GUNS and GUN rights. The possession of guns, the right to carry guns and the lawful ability to have guns lowers crime rate. The increase in drug use increases the amount of crime, exponentially. And no, I don't think alcohol abuse is OK. I rarely even drink, to be honest. Don't even try to equate this to Gun Laws...gun laws are meant to protect people, to defend people. Gun ownership is a right to defend your loved ones and family. WHAT THE H3LL GOOD are drugs and drug use? It does no good for anyone! You stare into the eyes of someone who was raped or attacked by someone who was strung out. You look into the eyes of a mother who lost her only son to Heroin addiction! You look into the eyes of a man whose family was torn from him by a drunk driver and then tell me that you think SUBSTANCE ABUSE is OK! I wholeheartedly agree with you that it is the fault of the individual. BUT, our society can not handle free drug use. Our society, today, is primarily full of children who have not been taught and do not understand the idea of right & wrong. With parents both working, so many torn families, kids have no where to turn. So, you want them to have the option to just sit & shoot up? OK, GREAT IDEA... It is just like this amnesty plan...secure the border before you start handing out free passes. Fix the family and individual issues before you allow free drug use. People who use weapons lawfully are, for the most part, somewhat conscious of their decisions and what is a good and what is a bad choice. I can not say the same thing about people who suck down a bunch of mixed chemicals so they can get high and not deal with their emotions. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

05-31-2007, 09:05 PM	#16
dceptiv240 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: south ALABAMA Posts: 260	the problem is always with abuse nothing more nothing less it goes wrong when it becomes abuse. drugs, alcohol, power(such as holding a gun, or positions of authority like police or political power) all are fine till someone abuses them. have you ever done any of these things your talking about? or are you speaking purely from movies you've seen and tv propaganda you've experienced. if they legalize... people would be able do their drugs of choice more intelligently for one. they'll no longer have to share needle's or hide in back alleys. no more "scoring from the stranger on the dark corner street" theirs to many avenues to argue because you don't know what your arguing about your blindly spouting ignorance.and thats not even an attack just a fact. how about the girl that was raped because the sober redneck had a gun and told her to do what he said. and she couldn't fight back. what about the fact that the woman who's son became a heroin addict never bothered to notice his problems because she was a lush or a harlot and the step-father was molesting him.... until it became her problem. and if you legalize the drugs why would the cops be harrassing the aids infected ice doing "FREE" citizen? lower crime rates, less violent crimes, less toxins in their drugs, and freedom to live the american dream of the pursuit of happiness. not your idea of happiness! and don't talk about how it's different from gun rights and still include the word rights or your proving yourself wrong from the get-go. i'm from the side of the streets you apparently only read and watch shows about. i've had friends that got raped in New Orleans by a jerk with a GUN not a crackpipe.i'm not pushing for gun control. i want to arm the victims and keep them from becoming one. i've had friends that had to go to rehab because they took their drug use to far. the most addictive drug i've seen around lately has to be Loritabs... hands down and every doctor out there is prescribing them like their freaking m&m's. i know for a fact there's more lives ruined by alcohol abuse than any other substance out their. but i'm not calling to reinstate prohibition. i'm a big city boy that's been down the roads and was smart enough to know which one to take and which ones to avoid. and everyone thats in this world deserves the chance to choose those roads for themselves as well! society cant handle what? freedom?>>>>who the are you to tell everyone in the world what they can handle? look i give you your opinion... but that the whole point it's yours and you should remember that while you are free to yours... not to take right for everyone else to have one away because you don't agree. if you don't need drugs, great, if you don't need to escape, great, stop assuming everyone else is the same, has had the same life as, and has experienced the same experiences as you have. its called open-minded and realistic! it's called "freedom" __________________ ________[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Ruger Redhawk .44 mag w/Simmons 2-6x32 "FREEDOM SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE!"

05-31-2007, 09:36 PM	#19
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,954 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	just neices nephews godsons and goddaughters __________________ just leave britney ALONE! she's going thru a hard time snivel sniff....WAH

05-31-2007, 09:38 PM	#20
dceptiv240 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: south ALABAMA Posts: 260	have you seen my post! my kids are my life, but their lives are theirs! i will guide them and raise them strong and once their on their on then i will hope that they make the right decisions for them! __________________ ________[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Ruger Redhawk .44 mag w/Simmons 2-6x32 "FREEDOM SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE!"