07-01-2007, 11:44 AM
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#21 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by BFRANKlin  | But it just can't compare to a Garand and I don't really need to explain why. It can speak for itself. To try to compare a Garand and the AK is unfair to the AK. | Actually, it can and does compare rather nicely and yes, you WOULD have to explain why on that stance. When it comes to length of service, innovation, ease of use, breadth of use, reliability, and other factors, the AK pretty much beats the Garand IMHO. I am taking nothing away from the Garand, but in this case the experts who ranked the top 10 got it right when the AK was ranked several notches higher than the Garand on the link I gave earlier.
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Originally Posted by bigandrich44 | AK-47 is inaccurate. Don't forget that. I've never heard of an AK being used at Camp Perry........ | AKs are not used at Camp Perry because the AK was never an American produced and adopted weapon, so your argument is moot on that point. No, the AK is NOT inaccurate. It it were so, they would not have been issued or produced for so many nations. They are decently accurate and do exactly what they were designed to do. They were not designed for sniping, just as the AR platform was not. They were designed for firefights, and in that they excel. Vietnam proved that.
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07-01-2007, 07:40 PM
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#22 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by bigandrich44 | Sheesh, 75 yards is NOTHING to a Pre-64 M70. 450 yards is where it starts becoming challenging. Heck, i can hit Soda cans at 75 yards with my Ruger 10/22 with a 3-9x40mm Tasco scope. The AK is inaccurate. It was made to conform with Russian Doctrine about massed infantry fire. | Who said that the best rifle ever had to shoot accurately at 450 yards?  | |
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07-01-2007, 07:42 PM
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#23 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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07-01-2007, 10:15 PM
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#24 | | Firearm Zealot
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We are getting hung-up on semantics - the original post said the greatest rifle ever. It did not say the "best rifle". To me that is a totally different argument. To me the "Greatest Rifle" would be a rifle that has had a "Great" impact on human history. That is the context in which I listed the AK-47. I will freely admit that even though I own a couple they are not my favorite rifle. I think it would be impossible to identify one "Best Rifle". Rifles are designed to do different jobs. So to I don't think it is possible to fairly compare rifles designed for totally different purposes. It may be possible to come up with like a "best in class" type thing, but what is the point. I love em all - well most of em at least.
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07-02-2007, 02:26 PM
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#25 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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The M-14
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07-02-2007, 04:59 PM
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#26 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Sharps Model of 1874. The gun that Really tamed the West. Without it, we would not be having this discussion. Also, one of the best looking, most accurate rifle made. Nuff said.
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07-09-2007, 07:25 PM
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#27 | | Ahh..Cordite.
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Originally Posted by Bravo | The AK47 isn't that inaccurate in the right hands. Fired from the hip in a spray in pray method, any gun is inaccurate. But I can knock down coffee cans at a rapid rate at 75 yards.
As I said before, the AK's only drawback is it's lack of range. Used in the proper setting, it is very accurate and ungodly reliable. |
Amen brother..amen..
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07-09-2007, 07:57 PM
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#28 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Burke Yea, yea, I agree about the AK-47 - but forget that. Who is that in the avatar Burke.
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07-17-2007, 12:50 AM
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#29 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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07-17-2007, 01:36 AM
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#30 | | Firearm Zealot
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I'm going with "that damn Yankee rifle you load on Sunday and shoot all week!" The Henry Rifle: Fact, Fiction, and History
...and I'm sure George Custer's opponents at the Little Big Horn would agree!!!
Although, other's choices(...Mauser 98, M1 Garand, M16, AK47) also have their place in the evolution of firearms.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Kentucky Rifle. After all, it was the rifled musket that rendered the Napolanic tactics used for 100's of years obsolete.
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07-19-2007, 07:35 PM
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#31 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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I agree with ding. The M-14. Almost everyone's arguing accuracy and reliability, the M-14 is very accurate and I've never heard of any reliabilty problems. I've hit coffee cans at 650 yards.
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07-19-2007, 09:51 PM
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#32 | | Firearm Zealot
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This will be my 100th thread. It is historical in nature and so is my answer, without reading the numerous threads pryor to this one. It is my fathers rifle, the M-1, period! It won WWII and I still enjoy shooting it. Now you youngsters on this forum can roll your eyes and make fun of the elders here, but we will go home with the same gal we took to the dance! It made sense back then and it still does today. Beats the Hell out of the piss ant .223! That's my story and I'm sticking to it! Brother Bob
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07-20-2007, 04:23 AM
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#33 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Revolver | Pre `64 Model 70. If I had infinite wealth, its the first rifle I`d buy. If I could find and it exists, a 1963 300 win mag Model 70, in left handed maybe, be okay if not. | Johnny...
I have one of those, Never been fired as far as I can tell....But its a Righty !I hunt with a Post-64 that Rocks..300 Mag Rocks !
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07-22-2007, 02:48 AM
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#34 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Howdy, my first post here: --- The greatest Rifle? --- It is the pre-64 Winchester Model 70. No question about it.
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07-22-2007, 09:44 PM
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#35 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Another vote for the AK. I don't own, or want to own one but, many people from many nations do.
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07-30-2007, 12:29 PM
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#36 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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#1 Barret 82A1/M107 .50 cal
#2 M-40A3
#3 model 70 winchester vietnam era sniper rifle(Gunny Hathcock's weapon of choice)
For cicvilian use i would say #1 rifle either Savage 111, or 10fp .308 or 30-06
or remington 700 sps both around 450-750 dollars and deadly accurate i shot my 111 30-06 with an ncstar generic used scope at 600 yards with 12" grouping 
#1 Barret 82A1/M107 .50 cal
#2 M-40A3
#3 model 70 winchester vietnam era sniper rifle(Gunny Hathcock's weapon of choice)
For cicvilian use i would say
#1 rifle either Savage 111, or 10fp .308 or 30-06
or remington 700 sps both around 450-750 dollars and deadly accurate I shot my 111 30-06 with an ncstar generic used scope at 600 yards with 12" grouping
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08-04-2007, 06:38 PM
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#37 | | Registered User
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300 H&H win mag model 70
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08-09-2007, 10:17 PM
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#38 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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For Civillian I'd say the Winchester Model 1894. First smokeless powder rifle.
Military bolt action would be the British SMLE.
Military auto loader is going to be the M-1.
Military selective fire is the AK-47/AKM
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08-09-2007, 11:40 PM
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#39 | | Firearm Aficionado
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My personal opinion on rifles I've owned: Rem 700 and Mauser 98. Never should have parted with my Brno.30-06. Rifles I want: M70 pre '64 .270 and Weatherby Mk V .257Wmag.
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08-10-2007, 12:51 AM
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#40 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by bigandrich44 | Sheesh, 75 yards is NOTHING to a Pre-64 M70. 450 yards is where it starts becoming challenging. Heck, i can hit Soda cans at 75 yards with my Ruger 10/22 with a 3-9x40mm Tasco scope. The AK is inaccurate. It was made to conform with Russian Doctrine about massed infantry fire. | if i had a dollar for every time i found myself needing to hit a 450 yard shot......
what purpose would you need to be able to stretch out more than 200 yards for?(except for competition, but i'm not talking about that)
with that said i don't have much knowledge but i'd go with an M16 in situations where i wouldn't be crawling in mud or sand or something crazy like that and an AK47 if i would
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