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Old 11-21-2007, 11:39 AM   #61
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Henry U.S. survial rifle!
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:39 PM   #62
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Quote:       Originally Posted by andrew cochran View Post
Henry U.S. survial rifle!
I agree. I think I might have to get myself one for my birthday.
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Old 12-02-2007, 06:52 PM   #63
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i have the solution, its called the ar-7 survival rifle, you can pick one up for under 200 bucks its 22 long, its a rifle and all the components fold into the stock which floats. its good for the 22 aspect of things
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Old 12-09-2007, 12:20 PM   #64
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I think there is a place for both wepons, but if I could only have one it would be a 22 Rifle.
A nice bolt action scoped with back up iron sights.
An old Savage O/U I think they were model 24s in 22LR maybe 22 Mag over a 20GA. would be cool
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:10 PM   #65
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I posted this in the Survival Equipment thread

Rather than repeat myself, here's a fast link to my commentary on the Henry AR-7 .22LR survival rifle.

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sur...-22-rifle.html

The AR-7 is my personal choice for a survival rifle. However, after viewing the extensive modifications to the Springfield Armory M6 .22LR/.410 single-shot survival gun made by V. Shrake as shown in this article:

Springfield Armory M6

I have to admit the o/u single shot (once modified) M6 is also a valid choice. My only change to his weapon would be to lose the matches he stores in a spent .410 shotshell and replace them with a cut down magnesium and flint firestarter block.
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Old 12-20-2007, 11:48 AM   #66
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The AR-7 is not very accurate from what I read. I'd choose a reliable 22 rifle and a 22 revolver that are accurate. My rifle choice would probably be my Remington 541S and revolver would be a 4" Colt Diamondback. The 6" Smith Model 17 (or the current 617) would do nicely too.
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Old 12-20-2007, 05:06 PM   #67
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in survival you need the accuracy of a rifle if you want to increase your chances to eat. a handgun is great for defense but your objective is to fill your stomach to live on to another day. a scope is just about always preferable on a rifle. a good .223 rifle is preferable to a .22 in survival as it has more energy at distance yet will not destroy meat as would a caliber beyond .223.
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:49 PM   #68
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Survival can be something that lasts a long time and for me Squirrels and rabbits would be my primary source of meat.

A .223 can turn a squirrel into the "Red Mist" compared to a .22 and I can sure carry a lot more ammo for a .22.

If you shoot a deer or some other large animal, what do you do with the rest of the meat after you eat a pound or so?

Preferable to me is a .22, not a .223 or larger.
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Old 12-22-2007, 12:06 AM   #69
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Poachers have proven the effectiveness in killing whitetails with a 22. You may have to track them a bit. Obviously the 22WMR would be better. Ammo is just so much more expensive and less common. I too would stake my survival chances with a 22 rifle first and have a 22 revolver just because I like them a lot.
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:23 PM   #70
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:06 PM   #71
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Having two survival weapons of different types in the same caliber would be redundant.

My suggestions for survival living would be a .30-30 lever action rifle of a reliable make and model, and a good-quality .22/.22 magnum convertible revolver. (And, if you wanted, a good 12-or 20-gauge break action or pump shotgun)

Note: if you are in long-range territory, or in an area up north where much larger game are the norm, you would probably choose a longer-range, flatter-shooting, harder-hitting cartridge/rifle combination. In that case, I would say a good bolt-action .30-06, .308, or the like would do you no wrong.

My reasoning for the above are as follows:

The .30-30 has taken all manner of North American mainland game, even grizzly bears, elk, and moose. In a survival situation, you want big game, not so much small game, because you want the most energy (calories) for your effort. If you shoot 6 squirrels in an hour that weigh 2 pounds apiece, giving you 12 pounds of meat that is lean, having virtually no fat, which is necessary to survival. As opposed to the same hour used to shoot 1 round of .30-30 at a deer, which will provide roughly 150 pounds of meat, depending on your regional location and the type of deer you are after.

Don't forget you can take that same rifle on the same hunt and shoot a black bear or wild hog, and you still have the revolver on your hip to allow you to get the squirrels, rabbits, doves, and groundhogs on your way to where the deer dropped and on the way back to camp; see where I'm going with all this?

Another few reasons for the .22 are that, while a rifle is a highly desirable thing to have, without training you will most likely not carry it wherever you go. It helps to have something with you all the time, and a good revolver will be so comfortable you won't want it off. You can use it for any manner of small game, and even larger game, given a good opporitunity and a clear shot.

Plus, the extra cylinder allowing the use of .22 mag is a great advantage, since the cartridge is a lot flatter, allowing for good shots out to 60-75 yards with sufficient practice, and even further, if you find you have a knack for it. You will be able to use the .22 mag on significantly larger or tougher (small-to medium-) game, like raccoons, whose meat, roasted, provides a mind-boggling 2200-2600 calories per pound. As well as foxes, coyotes, wolves, bobcats, and the like, whose pelts are useful as well as beautiful and could be used in making clothing (like mittens or hats) as well as for trade.

My reason for the handgun choice being a revolver is because with virtually any .22 autoloader, you have only the choice of .22 Long Rifle, and will not always cycle with subsonic rounds, whereas the revolver will chamber and fire all short, long, long rifle, cb longs and shorts, low-velocity, hypervelocity, whatever, giving you a much better chance of finding compatible ammo in a situation where you have to scrounge supplies from another location.

I wouldn't really suggest a shotgun as a mainstay survival weapon, simply because of the weight of the ammunition and the fact that the shells are so bulky; carrying as many rounds of a 12-gauge as you would a .30-30 would be a difference of about 30 pounds, and you don't want extra weight in any form...



Just my 2 cents.

You could also use the .30-30 with more effectiveness against maniacs, thieves, and the like, as opposed to just a .22 rifle....

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Old 01-13-2008, 03:41 PM   #72
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Rifle with a good scope

Survival is, ultimately, about a full stomach to keep you going. You need maximum hit probability.
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