Helicopter Crash Kills 4

Bravo · 07-28-2007, 04:52 PM

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I'm sure some of you have seen this on the news in the past 24 hours. It's a horrible story, but the police chief said something that came across odd..

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Earlier on Friday, Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris suggested the suspect could "be held responsible for any of the deaths from this tragedy."

Now, running from the law is very wrong and he should be charged with every crime that he committed, but he didn't force those 2 helicopters into the air.

My heart goes out to the families of the victims, but I think it's time that news stations stop trying to broadcast reality TV material.

JoeLee · 07-28-2007, 04:59 PM

The two pilots were watching the suspects truck,and not each others position in the air.

Brother Bob · 07-28-2007, 05:06 PM

While this is terrible, I don't believe the suspect should be charged with the deaths of the people on the helo's. But I bet it will come into play.

Triggerjerk · 07-28-2007, 05:12 PM

Well...it's one thing for the chief to say that, it's another to press charges and make them stick.

Brother Bob · 07-28-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Triggerjerk

Well...it's one thing for the chief to say that, it's another to press charges and make them stick.

Well............after all, this is America. If I know someone, that knows someone, that shot someone, I'll probably get sued for not advising against............Savvy???????

troy2000 · 07-28-2007, 05:44 PM

I understand the legal principle that if you're committing a crime and someone dies as a result, you can be held responsible. But I think it would be a pretty far stretch to apply it to this situation.

Brother Bob · 07-28-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

I understand the legal principle that if you're committing a crime and someone dies as a result, you can be held responsible. But I think it would be a pretty far stretch to apply it to this situation.

Not in California. If gun manufacturers can be sued over an armed robbery that results in a homicide..............what's the difference?

lifesgood · 07-28-2007, 07:13 PM

I caught that also. Here in Arizona it wouldn't surprise me if they charge him with something like manslaughter. Arizona doesn't mess around. I find we have very professional LEOs, but if your looking for trouble as this guy must of been. Most of us don't run from Police, at least I don't. They don't fool with you.

JoeLee · 07-28-2007, 07:38 PM

I "think" if the helicopter crews were law enforcement people,trying to make an arrest then yes it would stick.But for the NEWS,dirty laundry video,for the blonde bimbo to broadcast at 6PM,I say not guilty.

Brother Bob · 07-28-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeLee

I "think" if the helicopter crews were law enforcement people,trying to make an arrest then yes it would stick.But for the NEWS,dirty laundry video,for the blonde bimbo to broadcast at 6PM,I say not guilty.

While I hope the S.O.B. gets hung out to dry, I don't believe the "fly-by-media oughta get involved!

Rave · 07-28-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeLee

I "think" if the helicopter crews were law enforcement people,trying to make an arrest then yes it would stick.But for the NEWS,dirty laundry video,for the blonde bimbo to broadcast at 6PM,I say not guilty.

Good post!

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Originally Posted by troy2000

I understand the legal principle that if you're committing a crime and someone dies as a result, you can be held responsible. But I think it would be a pretty far stretch to apply it to this situation.

Good post!

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

While this is terrible, I don't believe the suspect should be charged with the deaths of the people on the helo's. But I bet it will come into play.

Good post1

missharpshooter · 07-30-2007, 08:17 AM

Terrible saw it on the news...thats were they have the tent cities (Jail) and keep a tuff handle on crime. I hope they do it....it was tragic....

troy2000 · 07-30-2007, 06:14 PM

They aren't really tough on crime as such, Lady Di. They're tough on petty criminals without the power to fight back. People are roasting in those tents for offenses like drunk and disorderly or driving with expired auto insurance. There aren't any murderers or rapists in them, last I heard; tents aren't secure enough for truly bad prisoners.

I think Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a publicity hound and a bully, and I wouldn't treat a dog like he treats those prisoners. Come to think of it, last I heard he was bragging that he spends forty cents a day feeding them, and it's less than he spends feeding his dogs. Is that really the sort of thing a man should be proud of?

Brother Bob · 07-30-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

They aren't really tough on crime as such, Lady Di. They're tough on petty criminals without the power to fight back. People are roasting in those tents for offenses like drunk and disorderly or driving with expired auto insurance. There aren't any murderers or rapists in them, last I heard; tents aren't secure enough for truly bad prisoners.

I think Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a publicity hound and a bully, and I wouldn't treat a dog like he treats those prisoners. Come to think of it, last I heard he was bragging that he spends forty cents a day feeding them, and it's less than he spends feeding his dogs. Is that really the sort of thing a man should be proud of?

I wish we had 10,000 more just like him. How many of them end up back in the Penal System, Troy????

troy2000 · 07-30-2007, 06:38 PM

Just as many as in the rest of the country, Bob, because the crimes they're guilty of are those common to poverty, alcoholism, ignorance and hopelessness. You don't cure their problems and miraculously reform them by being mean to them. If that's all it took, there would've been absolutely no lower-class crime in Jolly Old England back in the days when they sentenced thieves to be drawn and quartered.

Sorry, I'm not impressed with someone who's a sadistic S.O.B. just because he happens to be wearing a uniform and claims to be doing it in the name of the law.

If the bastid really wanted to do some good, he'd be figuring out what to do with the hard-core menaces to society, instead of mistreating some Indian who got picked up because he was staggering on his way home from the bar, or some poor Joe Schmoe who lost his job and missed payments on his car insurance because he had enough to drive it or insure it, but not enough to do both.

You don't see anyone with money in those tents, Bob; those people just pay their fines and their lawyers and go traipsing on down the road, and Sheriff Joe loves them.

Brother Bob · 07-30-2007, 06:58 PM

It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear and haven't commited any crimes. I doubt there are any folks serving time for not paying their car insurance. If they are, then there's more to it than that.

troy2000 · 07-30-2007, 07:04 PM

Doubt all you want to, Bob. My parents and several of my relatives lived in that area for years.

If you get caught driving without valid insurance, you get a fine. If you don't pay the fine, you get arrested and wind up in Sheriff Joe's tents. If you get arrested and booked for being intoxicated in public, you get a fine. If you don't pay the fine, you go to Sheriff Joe's tents. As a matter of fact, if you get caught littering and can't pay the fine, you wind up in those friggin' tents as one more victim of Sheriff Joe's publicity machine.

Why do you find the simple truth so hard to believe?

Brother Bob · 07-30-2007, 07:48 PM

Your absolutely right, Troy. I know you are because, you said so. I just wonder why he keeps winning re-election.........

troy2000 · 07-30-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Your absolutely right, Troy. I know you are because, you said so. I just wonder why he keeps winning re-election.........

Since you've never lived there and my family has, I believe I'll take their word over yours.

Why does he get re-elected? I dunno; why did Bush get re-elected? Maybe because voters are fools?

More likely it's because the majority of voters haven't been in his tents, and the majority of people in his tents don't vote.

And Arizona voters may be just a wee bit stiff-necked and self-righteous, and figure his victims are lowlife scum who deserve anything that happens to them.

They probably tend to lump all "criminals" together, and don't see any difference between someone who couldn't pay a speeding ticket and someone who murders a family.

Of course, those who have it happen to them while they're between jobs may get a sudden infusion of empathy and compassion. But I don't hold out much hope for the average, smug Joe Citizen.

Otter · 07-31-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear and haven't commited any crimes. I doubt there are any folks serving time for not paying their car insurance. If they are, then there's more to it than that.

I thought New Hampshire was the only state that put people in state prison for motor vehicle violations.

07-28-2007, 05:12 PM	#4
Triggerjerk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 978 Trader Rating: (0)	Well...it's one thing for the chief to say that, it's another to press charges and make them stick. __________________ We old dogs can learn new tricks. We just may not like performng them. TJ

07-28-2007, 05:44 PM	#6
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,076 Trader Rating: (0)	I understand the legal principle that if you're committing a crime and someone dies as a result, you can be held responsible. But I think it would be a pretty far stretch to apply it to this situation. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

07-30-2007, 08:17 AM	#12
missharpshooter Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 979 Trader Rating: (0)	Terrible saw it on the news...thats were they have the tent cities (Jail) and keep a tuff handle on crime. I hope they do it....it was tragic.... __________________ IF IT DOESN'T GET HOT..IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH FIREPOWER....DBL TAPP IS NOT DANCING..

07-30-2007, 06:14 PM	#13
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,076 Trader Rating: (0)	They aren't really tough on crime as such, Lady Di. They're tough on petty criminals without the power to fight back. People are roasting in those tents for offenses like drunk and disorderly or driving with expired auto insurance. There aren't any murderers or rapists in them, last I heard; tents aren't secure enough for truly bad prisoners. I think Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a publicity hound and a bully, and I wouldn't treat a dog like he treats those prisoners. Come to think of it, last I heard he was bragging that he spends forty cents a day feeding them, and it's less than he spends feeding his dogs. Is that really the sort of thing a man should be proud of? __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

07-30-2007, 06:38 PM	#15
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,076 Trader Rating: (0)	Just as many as in the rest of the country, Bob, because the crimes they're guilty of are those common to poverty, alcoholism, ignorance and hopelessness. You don't cure their problems and miraculously reform them by being mean to them. If that's all it took, there would've been absolutely no lower-class crime in Jolly Old England back in the days when they sentenced thieves to be drawn and quartered. Sorry, I'm not impressed with someone who's a sadistic S.O.B. just because he happens to be wearing a uniform and claims to be doing it in the name of the law. If the bastid really wanted to do some good, he'd be figuring out what to do with the hard-core menaces to society, instead of mistreating some Indian who got picked up because he was staggering on his way home from the bar, or some poor Joe Schmoe who lost his job and missed payments on his car insurance because he had enough to drive it or insure it, but not enough to do both. You don't see anyone with money in those tents, Bob; those people just pay their fines and their lawyers and go traipsing on down the road, and Sheriff Joe loves them. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 07-30-2007 at 06:45 PM.

07-28-2007, 04:59 PM	#2
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241 Trader Rating: (0)	The two pilots were watching the suspects truck,and not each others position in the air.

07-28-2007, 05:06 PM	#3
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 2,576 Trader Rating: (0)	While this is terrible, I don't believe the suspect should be charged with the deaths of the people on the helo's. But I bet it will come into play.

07-28-2007, 07:13 PM	#8
lifesgood Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 147 Trader Rating: (0)	I caught that also. Here in Arizona it wouldn't surprise me if they charge him with something like manslaughter. Arizona doesn't mess around. I find we have very professional LEOs, but if your looking for trouble as this guy must of been. Most of us don't run from Police, at least I don't. They don't fool with you.

07-28-2007, 07:38 PM	#9
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241 Trader Rating: (0)	I "think" if the helicopter crews were law enforcement people,trying to make an arrest then yes it would stick.But for the NEWS,dirty laundry video,for the blonde bimbo to broadcast at 6PM,I say not guilty.

07-30-2007, 06:58 PM	#16
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 2,576 Trader Rating: (0)	It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear and haven't commited any crimes. I doubt there are any folks serving time for not paying their car insurance. If they are, then there's more to it than that.

07-30-2007, 07:04 PM	#17
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,076 Trader Rating: (0)	Doubt all you want to, Bob. My parents and several of my relatives lived in that area for years. If you get caught driving without valid insurance, you get a fine. If you don't pay the fine, you get arrested and wind up in Sheriff Joe's tents. If you get arrested and booked for being intoxicated in public, you get a fine. If you don't pay the fine, you go to Sheriff Joe's tents. As a matter of fact, if you get caught littering and can't pay the fine, you wind up in those friggin' tents as one more victim of Sheriff Joe's publicity machine. Why do you find the simple truth so hard to believe? __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 07-30-2007 at 07:08 PM.

07-30-2007, 07:48 PM	#18
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 2,576 Trader Rating: (0)	Your absolutely right, Troy. I know you are because, you said so. I just wonder why he keeps winning re-election.........