Police officer shoots at snake...kills unseen 5 year old fishing with grandfather - Page 2

Troy · 08-09-2007, 09:38 AM

the guy was stupid and just got caught not thinking. but god what a price to pay for that ignorance. hey, everybody is prone to being stupid. it just goes to show how much responcibility is on our shoulders as gun owners to know what we are doing.

JoeLee · 08-09-2007, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

And what would that accomplish???

SATISFACTION,a forgotten plus of life.

lifesgood · 08-09-2007, 06:18 PM

In todays world I think cops need to have in depth psych. testing before they go to training. Some of these cops today have NO COMMON SENSE at ALL. It is truly a SAD thing. What the city needs is to get their cops trained.

lefty o · 08-09-2007, 08:06 PM

#1 cities/P.D's have insurance for this kind of stupid act, so sue them for everything available. #2 the cop should be sued for everything he has, plus be charged with negligent homicide( this is no different than a drunk driver killing someone, an act of stupidity). there is simply no excuse for this level of stupidity out of someone hired to protect the public!

Deersniper · 08-10-2007, 10:12 PM

On the family. Couldn't they have used a taser? Pepper spray? A snake trap? Binoculars to Identify it as a poisonous one? Heah, Leroy, watch this. He shot himself in the butt, and it exited and lodged in his foot. DUH!

troy2000 · 08-10-2007, 10:47 PM

I kind of suspect the cops just saw a chance to have a little fun with their weapons. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

BFRANKlin · 08-11-2007, 11:55 PM

Hey troy2000 and everybody else. Cops are useless! They can't save anybody from anything. They can only respond AFTER a victim, or corpse, has been created. They have no duty or obligation to put themselves in danger for you. They would ONLY do THAT if another damn useless cop was shot! If nobody had called the damn cops, that boy would still be alive. But he's DEAD thanks to some God damn pussified wimp scared of a (probably harmless) snake! Protect and defend my hairy @ss! Hassle and interfere is more the norm.
In depth psyche training??? What kind of fool believes that would have done the little boy any good?
It don't take a cop very long to loose his humanity. They deal with bad guys every day. Pretty soon, they view everybody with a jaundiced eye~~ it you aint a cop, you're a criminal. And it's not just in the big cities either. They protect themselves and serve you warrents, IF YOU'RE LUCKY!!!

cubbieman · 08-12-2007, 12:14 AM

police officers are solely a deterrent, they are like wal mart's people greeters, wal mart doesn't give a rats rear end about you being told hi or bye, they are a theft deterrent, and the position was created for retirees who need something to do so boredom doesn't set in and they can pad their retirement , police officers are just a glorified version of that that has the power to shoot you and search your things

toolman · 08-12-2007, 01:23 AM

BFRANKlin and Cubbie, you guys need to pull your heads out. I don't know if you guys had bad experiences with cops or ??? The cops in this situation screwed up but they are the exception. I've got friends that are cops and ex-cops, and they've all spent years putting up with a**holes for not a lot of money because they thought they were doing the right thing. I'm sure 1*, Calvin, and a few of our other LEO G&G members, really appreciate the stupid comments. Think about it the next time someone breaks into your car, steals your I-POD, or attacks your wife\daughter\mother\etc...

troy2000 · 08-12-2007, 05:23 AM

The way BFranklin talks about cops, you'd think they were liberals...

Cubbie, how many WalMart greeters have been killed on the job by criminals lately? The fact that they also serve a security function doesn't mean cops are only a glorified version of them, any more than a car is just a glorified bicycle because cars and bicycles both move people.

Brother Bob · 08-12-2007, 07:00 AM

I have a son-in-law that's a cop. James told me how the Noble cops screwed up and how he would have handled it. After identifying the snake, he would have told the folks to go inside and leave the snake alone. He would have never pulled his weapon and fired. They have to fill out paperwork everytime they fire their weapon. These guys had probably watched "Police Accademy" too many times and thought they would pull a Tackleberry! I also have friends that are in law enforcement. I assure you, they are human and a lot of fun to be around. This perception that they are all worthless and stupid doesn't set well with myself and others. It's good to know that there is someone out there at night while I sleep, making sure I'm safe.

tommy · 08-12-2007, 10:56 AM

well comin from a town of crooked cops i feel bad that i can't agree with you toolman. the cops around here give other cops a bad name . after katrina other cops from other states came down and they were takin guns from people right along side of the cops from down here so i don't know what to think anymore.are there any good cops yes there are but the bad cops way out number them for them to ever make it to the news.it's sad what they do to the badge that others wear with pride.

cubbieman · 08-12-2007, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolman

BFRANKlin and Cubbie, you guys need to pull your heads out. I don't know if you guys had bad experiences with cops or ??? The cops in this situation screwed up but they are the exception. I've got friends that are cops and ex-cops, and they've all spent years putting up with a**holes for not a lot of money because they thought they were doing the right thing. I'm sure 1*, Calvin, and a few of our other LEO G&G members, really appreciate the stupid comments. Think about it the next time someone breaks into your car, steals your I-POD, or attacks your wife\daughter\mother\etc...

and there is an example of the cops being a deterrent, that failed, like the people greeters at wal mart, if you're going to yell at me don't reinforce my point, it really makes you look like an idiot when you do that

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy2000

The way BFranklin talks about cops, you'd think they were liberals...

Cubbie, how many WalMart greeters have been killed on the job by criminals lately? The fact that they also serve a security function doesn't mean cops are only a glorified version of them, any more than a car is just a glorified bicycle because cars and bicycles both move people.

a few have been punched, which is all anyone's going to do for a charge that stealing at wal mart would bring, cops chase after murderers, which is just a larger scale of stopping a criminal, i never said cops jobs weren't dangerous, but all they can do is stand around and catch people after they've committed a crime, but they can't take the crime back

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

I have a son-in-law that's a cop. James told me how the Noble cops screwed up and how he would have handled it. After identifying the snake, he would have told the folks to go inside and leave the snake alone. He would have never pulled his weapon and fired. They have to fill out paperwork everytime they fire their weapon. These guys had probably watched "Police Accademy" too many times and thought they would pull a Tackleberry! I also have friends that are in law enforcement. I assure you, they are human and a lot of fun to be around. This perception that they are all worthless and stupid doesn't set well with myself and others. It's good to know that there is someone out there at night while I sleep, making sure I'm safe.

ok cops make sure you're safe, that's why america has no crime, yeah right, every time a crime is committed and the person gets out the door the cops have failed

cops are not worthless as people, but they do have an impossible job

Pred · 08-12-2007, 09:22 PM

Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Brother Bob · 08-12-2007, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubbieman

and there is an example of the cops being a deterrent, that failed, like the people greeters at wal mart, if you're going to yell at me don't reinforce my point, it really makes you look like an idiot when you do that

a few have been punched, which is all anyone's going to do for a charge that stealing at wal mart would bring, cops chase after murderers, which is just a larger scale of stopping a criminal, i never said cops jobs weren't dangerous, but all they can do is stand around and catch people after they've committed a crime, but they can't take the crime
ok cops make sure you're safe, that's why america has no crime, yeah right, every time a crime is committed and the person gets out the door the cops have failed

cops are not worthless as people, but they do have an impossible job

Cubbieman, you exceeded your expectations at WallMart. Do the best you can to keep what you have as far as employment goes. You will go no further in life, at least not with the mindset you have now. Maybe, one of these days the Wizard Of Oz will give you a brain and you can go forth and become a, .......... a,....... shrubbery expert!

Pred · 08-12-2007, 09:46 PM

Yep, time for some more

toolman · 08-12-2007, 09:48 PM

[quote=cubbieman;330374]and there is an example of the cops being a deterrent, that failed, like the people greeters at wal mart, if you're going to yell at me don't reinforce my point, it really makes you look like an idiot when you do that

Well son, I may look like an idiot in your eyes, but I'd ask you to do a little research on crimes PREVENTED by cops before you start spouting off. We have drug shipments, illegal aliens, thieves, rapists, murderers and every other type of criminal stopped by hardworking cops every day. Just like plane crashes, the one's that go bad are the ones' getting all the press, but use your head. One of my best friends' worked undercover for a couple of years in S. Tx. on a unit called, " The Governors Task Force on Narcotics and Special Crimes". Every bust he made happened before the crime was actually carried out. He put herione\meth\coke dealers in jail, he put pedophiles soliciting children on the internet in jail. he put coyotes smuggling illegals across the border in jail-ALL before they were able to conclude their business. I don't like getting into pi**ing matches on the internet, but I'll not let you trash hundreds of thousands of hard-working men and women because of whatever bias you have against cops. Your comments are immature and ill-conceived, but maybe you have your reasons. BTW, my earlier comment was to hopefully, make you think about who you always call when you have a problem, but apparently it was a futile attempt.

troy2000 · 08-12-2007, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolman

...and Your comments are immature and ill-conceived.

At least this one comes by his immaturity honestly, toolman; he's a teenager.

Cubbie, would you talk to adults face-to-face the way you're popping off to these guys? If so, your parents didn't teach you manners. If not, why do you think it's proper to do so on this forum?

No one's asking you to roll over and play dead; you have a right to express your opinion. But it doesn't hurt to show a little manners and a little respect to your elders while you're having your say. And you might learn a little too, if you pay attention to them.

My boys aren't saints, but I guarantee you they've never in their lives addressed an adult as rudely as you have in this thread. I also guarantee they'd never do it twice, if I knew about the first time.

Tex in Maine · 08-12-2007, 10:35 PM

I agree with Brother Bob, what we have here is a horribly tragic ACCIDENT which was the cause of one persons poor judgement, what we do not have is murder, this office did not purpossly seek to end this poor childs life, there is a big difference and I am positive that if the officer had the power to change the outcome he most sertanly would. I agree he should be punished in some way but I have a feeling his greatest punishment will be the torment he will live with for the rest of his life. it is tragic all around..

Lng Rng · 08-12-2007, 10:40 PM

Cubbie, rarely do you hear of a crime that isn't commited. That may explain why you don't hear of cops "preventing" crime, but rest assured, they do. Police officers are just people with a job, that happens to be harder than most.

08-10-2007, 10:12 PM	#25
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,339 Trader Rating: (0)	Mercy On the family. Couldn't they have used a taser? Pepper spray? A snake trap? Binoculars to Identify it as a poisonous one? Heah, Leroy, watch this. He shot himself in the butt, and it exited and lodged in his foot. DUH!

08-10-2007, 10:47 PM	#26
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,142 Trader Rating: (0)	I kind of suspect the cops just saw a chance to have a little fun with their weapons. Stupid, stupid, stupid. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

08-11-2007, 11:55 PM	#27
BFRANKlin Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 258 Trader Rating: (0)	Hey troy2000 and everybody else. Cops are useless! They can't save anybody from anything. They can only respond AFTER a victim, or corpse, has been created. They have no duty or obligation to put themselves in danger for you. They would ONLY do THAT if another damn useless cop was shot! If nobody had called the damn cops, that boy would still be alive. But he's DEAD thanks to some God damn pussified wimp scared of a (probably harmless) snake! Protect and defend my hairy @ss! Hassle and interfere is more the norm. In depth psyche training??? What kind of fool believes that would have done the little boy any good? It don't take a cop very long to loose his humanity. They deal with bad guys every day. Pretty soon, they view everybody with a jaundiced eye~~ it you aint a cop, you're a criminal. And it's not just in the big cities either. They protect themselves and serve you warrents, IF YOU'RE LUCKY!!! Last edited by BFRANKlin; 08-12-2007 at 12:10 AM.

08-12-2007, 01:23 AM	#29
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,363 Trader Rating: (0)	BFRANKlin and Cubbie, you guys need to pull your heads out. I don't know if you guys had bad experiences with cops or ??? The cops in this situation screwed up but they are the exception. I've got friends that are cops and ex-cops, and they've all spent years putting up with a*holes for not a lot of money because they thought they were doing the right thing. I'm sure 1, Calvin, and a few of our other LEO G&G members, really appreciate the stupid comments. Think about it the next time someone breaks into your car, steals your I-POD, or attacks your wife\daughter\mother\etc... __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

08-12-2007, 05:23 AM	#30
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,142 Trader Rating: (0)	The way BFranklin talks about cops, you'd think they were liberals... Cubbie, how many WalMart greeters have been killed on the job by criminals lately? The fact that they also serve a security function doesn't mean cops are only a glorified version of them, any more than a car is just a glorified bicycle because cars and bicycles both move people. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 08-12-2007 at 06:07 AM.

08-09-2007, 09:38 AM	#21
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,502 Trader Rating: (0)	the guy was stupid and just got caught not thinking. but god what a price to pay for that ignorance. hey, everybody is prone to being stupid. it just goes to show how much responcibility is on our shoulders as gun owners to know what we are doing.

08-09-2007, 06:18 PM	#23
lifesgood Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 147 Trader Rating: (0)	In todays world I think cops need to have in depth psych. testing before they go to training. Some of these cops today have NO COMMON SENSE at ALL. It is truly a SAD thing. What the city needs is to get their cops trained.

08-09-2007, 08:06 PM	#24
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,695 Trader Rating: (0)	#1 cities/P.D's have insurance for this kind of stupid act, so sue them for everything available. #2 the cop should be sued for everything he has, plus be charged with negligent homicide( this is no different than a drunk driver killing someone, an act of stupidity). there is simply no excuse for this level of stupidity out of someone hired to protect the public!

08-12-2007, 12:14 AM	#28
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,483 Trader Rating: (0)	police officers are solely a deterrent, they are like wal mart's people greeters, wal mart doesn't give a rats rear end about you being told hi or bye, they are a theft deterrent, and the position was created for retirees who need something to do so boredom doesn't set in and they can pad their retirement , police officers are just a glorified version of that that has the power to shoot you and search your things

08-12-2007, 07:00 AM	#31
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 2,576 Trader Rating: (0)	I have a son-in-law that's a cop. James told me how the Noble cops screwed up and how he would have handled it. After identifying the snake, he would have told the folks to go inside and leave the snake alone. He would have never pulled his weapon and fired. They have to fill out paperwork everytime they fire their weapon. These guys had probably watched "Police Accademy" too many times and thought they would pull a Tackleberry! I also have friends that are in law enforcement. I assure you, they are human and a lot of fun to be around. This perception that they are all worthless and stupid doesn't set well with myself and others. It's good to know that there is someone out there at night while I sleep, making sure I'm safe.

08-12-2007, 10:56 AM	#32
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 3,893 Trader Rating: (0)	well comin from a town of crooked cops i feel bad that i can't agree with you toolman. the cops around here give other cops a bad name . after katrina other cops from other states came down and they were takin guns from people right along side of the cops from down here so i don't know what to think anymore.are there any good cops yes there are but the bad cops way out number them for them to ever make it to the news.it's sad what they do to the badge that others wear with pride.

08-12-2007, 09:22 PM	#34
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Trader Rating: (0)	Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

08-12-2007, 09:46 PM	#36
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Trader Rating: (0)	Yep, time for some more

08-12-2007, 09:48 PM	#37
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,363 Trader Rating: (0)	[quote=cubbieman;330374]and there is an example of the cops being a deterrent, that failed, like the people greeters at wal mart, if you're going to yell at me don't reinforce my point, it really makes you look like an idiot when you do that Well son, I may look like an idiot in your eyes, but I'd ask you to do a little research on crimes PREVENTED by cops before you start spouting off. We have drug shipments, illegal aliens, thieves, rapists, murderers and every other type of criminal stopped by hardworking cops every day. Just like plane crashes, the one's that go bad are the ones' getting all the press, but use your head. One of my best friends' worked undercover for a couple of years in S. Tx. on a unit called, " The Governors Task Force on Narcotics and Special Crimes". Every bust he made happened before the crime was actually carried out. He put herione\meth\coke dealers in jail, he put pedophiles soliciting children on the internet in jail. he put coyotes smuggling illegals across the border in jail-ALL before they were able to conclude their business. I don't like getting into pi**ing matches on the internet, but I'll not let you trash hundreds of thousands of hard-working men and women because of whatever bias you have against cops. Your comments are immature and ill-conceived, but maybe you have your reasons. BTW, my earlier comment was to hopefully, make you think about who you always call when you have a problem, but apparently it was a futile attempt. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

08-12-2007, 10:35 PM	#39
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (0)	I agree with Brother Bob, what we have here is a horribly tragic ACCIDENT which was the cause of one persons poor judgement, what we do not have is murder, this office did not purpossly seek to end this poor childs life, there is a big difference and I am positive that if the officer had the power to change the outcome he most sertanly would. I agree he should be punished in some way but I have a feeling his greatest punishment will be the torment he will live with for the rest of his life. it is tragic all around.. __________________ Man's Prayer: Oh Lord I'm a man, but I can change... if I have to...I guess.

08-12-2007, 10:40 PM	#40
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0)	Cubbie, rarely do you hear of a crime that isn't commited. That may explain why you don't hear of cops "preventing" crime, but rest assured, they do. Police officers are just people with a job, that happens to be harder than most.