Childhood memories being destroyed by hollywood.

[CrazyIvan]

Over-Capitalization is when our government allows big corporations to short-change the American workers. When our jobs are cut and sent to some foreign country for slave labor wages. When our jobs are cut and given to illegal immigrants for lower pay.

I agree you should get what you earn. But, I think in today's world, my idea of Over-Capitalization is that these companies are the driving force behind our capitalism. We have little control over what we earn and what we get anymore. It is becoming increasingly difficult to raise yourself out of the dirt and succeed financially without being a silver-spoon to begin with.

[cubbieman]

companies have every right to take their labor overseas, if they can get cheaper labor they'll do it, businesses #1 goal is to make money, that's what a business is. i do agree that illegals shouldn't have jobs here, but if a company wants to outsource to mexico that is their right, with the state of Americas work ethic if you work hard your job wont be cut unless you are union. if you want to succeed there are always jobs available, and if you are unskilled work 2 jobs

[Casull]

Cubbieman has drilled it. Businesses don't owe their workers anymore than the wages and benefits (if any) that the workers agreed to. By the same token, workers don't owe their employers anymore than an honest day's work (which is often times not provided). Ivan, you seem to think that business is evil, and that all workers are saints. If you don't like working for someone, then start your own business (then you'll see what real work is all about). A corporation is not someone's mommy, it is an employer. As long as it pays the agreed rate and doesn't knowingly endanger its employees, then it is doing nothing wrong. I've seen it from both sides, and I can tell you that when I became an employer, I saw just how little someone wants to do for his or her job, and how their major concern was quitting time or vacation. Granted, there are exceptions, but they are exceptions.

[Triggerjerk]

Cubbieman...all I can say is...you have a dazzling display of economic understanding! If people don't like big business or rich guys, let them go ask a poor guy for a job and see what they get!

[CrazyIvan]

I have been in management and trust me...I KNOW employees are not saints. But outsourcing is going beyond having a cutback or having to let someone go. Outsourcing and hiring illegals is a means to just line their pockets.

I believe as Americans, we have a responsibility to do what is right for America. That goes for employers as well...Outsourcing jobs and kicking blue collar laborers onto the street is wrong, in my opinion. And, it is a detriment to our America that we are quickly losing a grasp on. I agree people can make as much gazillion dollars as they want. But, have some pride, have some ethic, have some care for your country. These big businesses don't. Money is #1, which it should be in most cases. But, to fire thousands of people so they can pay 30% less and charge 10% more for the product is wrong, in my opinion.

I know perfectly well how economics work, how companies can lower their costs, how money is the #1 issue in people's minds. But, if the blue collar job is not safe, what makes you think your fancy little office job is safe? I worked for an engineering firm that opened an office in Beijing. They paid 30% of what I was paid to get the same job done. I didn't lose my job, but you can bet I got the hell out of there before I did. I did work there for about a year after they opened that office, and I can tell you that the quality of product (drawings) we received from the Chinese was no where near the quality of our output in our office here in Denver. It was piss-poor. I guess you get what you pay for...which goes for most products coming coming in from overseas here.

Name me something that you get which is built in another country that when used regularly does not need replacing at least every 2-5 years (besides cars and guns). I can't think of many, if any. My mom has a GE microwave from 1978 and an South Bell phone from 1965. See anything new like that from Japan or China or some other country that you think will last that long?

EDIT:

Oh, want an example that we all have experienced of the quality of foreign product? Look at customer service, whenever you call any big company. Do you really think the service you get is of the same quality of when you get a company with people who can communicate and understand you and which is a call center based here in the United States? Well, put that quality to consumer products and that is what you get.

[cubbieman]

Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

I have been in management and trust me...I KNOW employees are not saints. But outsourcing is going beyond having a cutback or having to let someone go. Outsourcing and hiring illegals is a means to just line their pockets.

which they have every right to do, they own the business, they can line their pockets as much as they damn well please

how about you name an american product(not cars or guns) that doesn't need to be replaced every 2-5 years that was made recently?

[Casull]

Name me something that you get which is built in another country that when used regularly does not need replacing at least every 2-5 years (besides cars and guns).

Ivan, it's funny that you exclude two of the best examples where overseas products are as good or better than American made products.

[Coeloptera]

Okay. You want an example where "lining their pockets" is direvtly and overtly hurting the country?

I'll give you one.

You been hearing about China lately? Product recalls? Dead pets? Lead paint on baby bibs?

You okay with all this?

Because really, the American companies that outsource the production have every right to cut costs and line their pockets, right?

Just like those dead miner's bosses who decided retreat mining could make them some cash.

Just like the airlines who keep passengers on the tarmac for 10 hours.

Yep. Letting companies run unregulated sounds like a great idea, alright. Can't see a downside to that ever coming along.

You know the product recall equation, right? If the cost of the lawsuits brought by injured people or their heirs is less than the cost of a recall...then no recall. Public be damned.

Here's another easy one. if you can't live on minimum wage in this country (and you can't), who's gonna do all those jobs, eventually?

Unregulated capitalism is just as harmful (albeit in a different way) than total socialism.

- Coeloptera

[cubbieman]

Originally Posted by Coeloptera

Okay. You want an example where "lining their pockets" is direvtly and overtly hurting the country?

I'll give you one.

You been hearing about China lately? Product recalls? Dead pets? Lead paint on baby bibs?

You okay with all this?

Because really, the American companies that outsource the production have every right to cut costs and line their pockets, right?

Just like those dead miner's bosses who decided retreat mining could make them some cash.

Just like the airlines who keep passengers on the tarmac for 10 hours.

Yep. Letting companies run unregulated sounds like a great idea, alright. Can't see a downside to that ever coming along.

You know the product recall equation, right? If the cost of the lawsuits brought by injured people or their heirs is less than the cost of a recall...then no recall. Public be damned.

Here's another easy one. if you can't live on minimum wage in this country (and you can't), who's gonna do all those jobs, eventually?

Unregulated capitalism is just as harmful (albeit in a different way) than total socialism.

- Coeloptera

you will never be able to live on minimum wage working only 40 hours a week, and you shouldn't. if you dont like the work conditions, report them, we have laws in place for this, and you can also quit. China has had some bad issues lately, but if people keep buying it, I'll sell it to them personally. when you put out as much as China does you are going to have some bad products, it's going to happen, how many good products does china have that arent getting any press?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by cubbieman

you will never be able to live on minimum wage working only 40 hours a week, and you shouldn't. if you dont like the work conditions, report them, we have laws in place for this, and you can also quit. China has had some bad issues lately, but if people keep buying it, I'll sell it to them personally. when you put out as much as China does you are going to have some bad products, it's going to happen, how many good products does china have that arent getting any press?

Horse puckey, cubbie. When I was young, men raised their families on minimum wage. they didn't live in fancy houses, drive new cars and take overseas vacations. But they managed to provide basic food, clothing, shelter and transportation for their wives and children. I don't remember the economy going in the toilet because of it.

And you know what? If China sends me a product that kills my pet or my children, I don't really care how many they might have sold me that didn't.

[Rave]

A man is drowning and he stil won't let go of that bag o' gold,he'd rather let it take him to a watery grave.

[ezearln]

Okay Folks now here is a question I want all of you to ponder for a few moments no knee jerk responses! The United States is a nation of consumers, we are for the most part the overwhelming market choice for goods and services produced both here and abroad. Why because we also enjoy one of the if not THE highest wage standard in the world. Now if all these big companies keep outsourcing all the better paying jobs to Mexico, India, China etc etc etc. Who the He{{ is going to be able to afford to buy them here? Mega business is cutting it's own throat they just don't see it yet.

[SKS NOOB]

Originally Posted by ezearln

Okay Folks now here is a question I want all of you to ponder for a few moments no knee jerk responses! The United States is a nation of consumers, we are for the most part the overwhelming market choice for goods and services produced both here and abroad. Why because we also enjoy one of the if not THE highest wage standard in the world. Now if all these big companies keep outsourcing all the better paying jobs to Mexico, India, China etc etc etc. Who the He{{ is going to be able to afford to buy them here? Mega business is cutting it's own throat they just don't see it yet.

Ya know, thanks for reminding me! I actaully said as much when I was in Highschool.
*sigh* The sad part of it all is when the CEO and his cronies get the money TECNICALLY they can go sit somewhere and retire. In fact, I believe that THEY believe they won't live to see the end results of what you are sayin. Kind of the oil companies as well. (at them).

[Johnny_Revolver]

I loved Speed Racer! I thought the guy who came up with it, was Speeds voice too. It was different, and had a kid who raced cars, I was nuts for anything with wheels as a kid so I was an instant starter.

I`ve seen most of the kids movies in the last few years ( got kids ) and though I wasn`t a fan first time round ( too old ) TMNT Teenage mutant ninja turtles would I think, be the pick of the last few I`ve seen.

Transformers was aight, Spiderman 3 was a rediculous musical, fantastic four was fairly watchable.

[ArkansasHunter]

Earl as I meditate on your question I'm wondering if the powers that be in America
who ever they are. Are trying to change us from being a consumer nation. Though it's been that way for many years.
With the out sourcesing of jobs and companys moveing to other countrys along with the influx of legal and illegal immergrants. Can this "over time" CAUSE this country to not be the worlds largest consumer nation ?
I keep hearing on televishion that the middle class is dieing away and i believe it .
So with the above said I see this nation over time not being the the worlds largest consumer nation, because over time we want be able to afford the goods and services we can afford today.
My thinking is this is planned by the powers that be and countrys like China that we owe trillions to will go bust or be humbled along with other countrys that depend on the U.S. for there economys.
Though this is a bad thing for the citizens of the United States, I'm begining to think there are people here, in power who have the money want World denomination even if it means hurting this nation people to get it...
Wages ??? I don't look for them to go up for whats left of the middle and lower class and I hope what I typed is B.S.
But it looks like future wars will be wars on the economys of each others countrys and that will affect wages and consumption...I think...A.H

[cubbieman]

Originally Posted by Johnny_Revolver

I loved Speed Racer! I thought the guy who came up with it, was Speeds voice too. It was different, and had a kid who raced cars, I was nuts for anything with wheels as a kid so I was an instant starter.

i thought i was the only one who watched that show(i watched reruns on cartoon network)

[Coeloptera]

Getting back the original thread topic, I always thought Speed Racer was pretty cruddy, even as a kid. The drawings barely moved and the show itself wasn't interesting enough to hold my attention because the plots never seemed very good.

To the other issue: someone should absolutely be able to live in minimum wage. it makes no economic sense whatsoever for that to not be the case. It's supposed to be the minimum pay for a full-time job that allows someone to purchase their basic needs (food, shelter, clothing). But it's not, not anymore.

If you can't live on it, then it's pointless to have, because having the job isn't too much better than not having it.

And if you abolish minimum wage...well...then you'll see some havoc. Or you'll see a lot more illegals coming over than we have even now.

Just because it's not a problem I've ever had, doesn't mean I shouldn't care if someone can live on a job that only pays minimum wage. Not everyone can get the jobs that pay better, nor, in a functional society, should they have to. Somebody's gotta be a janitor, or make your sandwich, or sit behind the counter at the gas station. If we didn't have people for those, (and many, many other jobs like them), we wouldn't have the society we do. If people do those jobs, then they better be able to feed themselves and their families on them. And I don't mean one guy working while his wife drops a dozen kids, but two working parents and 1-2 kids should be supportable on minimum wage.

- Coeloptera

[Fokker]

Originally Posted by Johnny_Revolver

I loved Speed Racer! I thought the guy who came up with it, was Speeds voice too.

That would be kind of impossible if you are talking about the english dubs. It's a Japanese anime.