Fred Thompson and New York

Brother Bob · 08-22-2007, 07:06 PM

Issues A New York State of Mind
When I was working in television, I spent quite a bit of time in New York City. There are lots of things about the place I like, but New York gun laws don't fall in that category.
Anybody who knows me knows I've always cared deeply about the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. So I've always felt sort of relieved when I flew back home to where that particular civil liberty gets as much respect as the rest of the Bill of Rights.
Unfortunately, New York is trying, again, to force its ways on the rest of us, this time through the courts. First, they went after U.S. gun manufacturers, seeking through a lawsuit not only money but injunctive control over the entire industry. An act of congress in 2005 blocked, but did not end, that effort.
Now, the same activist federal judge from Brooklyn who provided Mayor Giuliani’s administration with the legal ruling it sought to sue gun makers, has done it again. Last week, he created a bizarre justification to allow New York City to sue out-of-state gun stores that sold guns that somehow ended up in criminal hands in the Big Apple.
The lawsuit has been a lesson in out-of-control government from the get-go. Mayor Bloomberg sent private investigators to make "straw" purchases – illegally buying guns for somebody else. According to the ATF, NY's illegal "stings" interfered with ongoing investigations of real gun traffickers.
Obviously, New York won't get much cash out of the few dozen shops being sued in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia; so the purpose can only be political. Some of those sued have already buckled under the financial strain of legal defense and agreed to live by New York City rules.
Ironically, all of this comes at a time of historically low violent crime rates and historically high gun ownership rates nationally. States where it is legal to carry guns are also at an all-time high, up to 40 from 10 in 1987 by NRA reckoning.
While this attack by New York City on the Second Amendment reinforces the importance of appointing judges who apply the law as written, there is another important legal point. Federalism, though usually seen as a protection of the states from the federal government, actually grew out of the need to protect states from other states that interfered in free commerce beyond their borders – as New York is doing today. In this case, we need Federalism to protect states from a big bully in New York City.

Casull · 08-22-2007, 07:48 PM

Where does Fred Thompson come into the picture?

toolman · 08-22-2007, 08:17 PM

I think Fred is the only Republican candidate with the ba lls to fight for our gun rights. Guiliani has already shown where he stands on the position and I'm not feeling overly confident about Romney. The others are just chaff blowing in the wind irritating everyone.

Casull · 08-22-2007, 08:28 PM

I agree Toolman. I like Fred and hope he's the nominee. Just didn't see anything in the post about him. I was expecting some sort of jab at him.

Rufus Rhastus J · 08-23-2007, 07:41 AM

Think positive guys!

JoeLee · 08-23-2007, 11:09 AM

Fred Thompson is correct!Big City officials want all guns banned,because some Big City Savages {kill many people} with guns.Drive 30 minutes out of any Big City,and gun crime goes way down,till you come to a point that it's almost non existent.Rudy Giuliani is a rabid gun hater,I'd say with more devotion to melt guns down,then Clinton ever had.

Brother Bob · 08-23-2007, 05:58 PM

I heard Rudy Giuliani has taken offense to Freds comments on New Yorks gun laws. Oh well........

JoeLee · 08-23-2007, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

I heard Rudy Giuliani has taken offense to Freds comments on New Yorks gun laws. Oh well........

The United States according to Rudy Giuliani,AKA Hitler

to us New Yorkers.

08-22-2007, 07:06 PM	#1
Brother Bob Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 5,651 Blog Entries: 3	Fred Thompson and New York Issues A New York State of Mind When I was working in television, I spent quite a bit of time in New York City. There are lots of things about the place I like, but New York gun laws don't fall in that category. Anybody who knows me knows I've always cared deeply about the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. So I've always felt sort of relieved when I flew back home to where that particular civil liberty gets as much respect as the rest of the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, New York is trying, again, to force its ways on the rest of us, this time through the courts. First, they went after U.S. gun manufacturers, seeking through a lawsuit not only money but injunctive control over the entire industry. An act of congress in 2005 blocked, but did not end, that effort. Now, the same activist federal judge from Brooklyn who provided Mayor Giuliani’s administration with the legal ruling it sought to sue gun makers, has done it again. Last week, he created a bizarre justification to allow New York City to sue out-of-state gun stores that sold guns that somehow ended up in criminal hands in the Big Apple. The lawsuit has been a lesson in out-of-control government from the get-go. Mayor Bloomberg sent private investigators to make "straw" purchases – illegally buying guns for somebody else. According to the ATF, NY's illegal "stings" interfered with ongoing investigations of real gun traffickers. Obviously, New York won't get much cash out of the few dozen shops being sued in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia; so the purpose can only be political. Some of those sued have already buckled under the financial strain of legal defense and agreed to live by New York City rules. Ironically, all of this comes at a time of historically low violent crime rates and historically high gun ownership rates nationally. States where it is legal to carry guns are also at an all-time high, up to 40 from 10 in 1987 by NRA reckoning. While this attack by New York City on the Second Amendment reinforces the importance of appointing judges who apply the law as written, there is another important legal point. Federalism, though usually seen as a protection of the states from the federal government, actually grew out of the need to protect states from other states that interfered in free commerce beyond their borders – as New York is doing today. In this case, we need Federalism to protect states from a big bully in New York City.

08-22-2007, 08:17 PM	#3
toolman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 7,371 Blog Entries: 25	I think Fred is the only Republican candidate with the ba lls to fight for our gun rights. Guiliani has already shown where he stands on the position and I'm not feeling overly confident about Romney. The others are just chaff blowing in the wind irritating everyone. __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

08-23-2007, 07:41 AM	#5
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,342	Think positive guys! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

08-22-2007, 07:48 PM	#2
Casull Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 256	Where does Fred Thompson come into the picture?

08-22-2007, 08:28 PM	#4
Casull Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 256	I agree Toolman. I like Fred and hope he's the nominee. Just didn't see anything in the post about him. I was expecting some sort of jab at him.

08-23-2007, 11:09 AM	#6
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,236	Fred Thompson is correct!Big City officials want all guns banned,because some Big City Savages {kill many people} with guns.Drive 30 minutes out of any Big City,and gun crime goes way down,till you come to a point that it's almost non existent.Rudy Giuliani is a rabid gun hater,I'd say with more devotion to melt guns down,then Clinton ever had.

08-23-2007, 05:58 PM	#7
Brother Bob Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 5,651 Blog Entries: 3	I heard Rudy Giuliani has taken offense to Freds comments on New Yorks gun laws. Oh well........