Arizona School Suspends 13-Year-Old Boy for Drawing Gun

[Rave]

Originally Posted by Full MeTal Jack

OH MY GOD !!!
What would have happened if he drew a 3 crosses on a hill?

Heritic,heathen,infidel,out!

[Coeloptera]

I think it must be the school system since many of us (and I'm nowhere near the oldest member here) remember doing much the same things and no one caring because they knew it was harmless.

Bored kids doodle. Boys (and a few girls) will doodle weapons. Not like humans haven't been making weapons for the last few tens of thousands of years.

Kids get picked on, ideally the school should handle it. But it seems currently they want to ignore it because of fears of lawsuits. Although schools get sued for not doing anything.

But here's where I think the blame lies...two places. One: schools have become so terrified of lawsuits they have tried to totally abdicate responsibility for providing guidance to children. That and we don't support education in this country in any meaningful sense. Teachers earn terrible money for what they do, it's very difficult to fire bad teachers, and public schools are always needing money.

Two: parents. Don't blame TV, or video games, or "the media" because you know who's supposed to control that and provide context? Parents are. How can you not know your kid is disturbed enough to go shoot up his school? Don't you talk to him, any? Are you keyed in to his emotions, at all? Lazy parenting is, in my opinion, responsible for a whole host of the problems you see in modern children. From coddling them too much to ignoring them utterly, none of it's good.

I also believe that currently it is slightly, objectively worse. Generationally speaking, I don't see as much difference between my childhood (70s and 80s) and that of someone who came of age in the 1950s than between mine and someone coming of age right now.

Maybe I had monkeybars and big, structured playgrounds where they had the outdoors in general (okay, I had that too, but I mean during school hours), but neither of us had rubberized mats under the slides or "no running" rules during recess. When I fell off the bars I hit metal then was cushioned by sand. No one complained that games like tag and four squares promoted unhealthy competition. I see a distinct difference that only seems to be present currently as opposed to expected generational differences.

I think this sort of problem needs to be addressed in a twofold manner. The schools need to be able to trust their staff to make intelligent judgement calls, and the parents need to know they can trust those calls.

But don't ask me how we should go about it.

- Coeloptera

[A-10]

It's a darn good thing I never went to this boys school. I would have been thrown out in a heart beat for all the dangerous drawing I would do.

[leserz]

if it was not for guns. we would have a queen not a president as a leader. god forbid if the kids were playing hang man

[ezearln]

I think the overall problem is we have forgotten how to let our kids just be kids, God knows we all fear the worst and prepare for it as well. But to remove the innocence from our childrens lives because of fear is basically wrong. We need to go back to kids begging for another five minutes under the street or barn lights because the fireflies are out thick, we need to go back to kids playing kick the can under the moon and stars, and we as adults need to step up and remove PERMANANTLY the predators from our midst that prey upon our children. No more games and psychobabble, you molest a child you get the needle period end of discussion. No parole , no reprieve, no pardon.... That there is my solution that and get the young ones back outside where kids can be kids!

[rondog]

Originally Posted by ezearln

I think the overall problem is we have forgotten how to let our kids just be kids, God knows we all fear the worst and prepare for it as well. But to remove the innocence from our childrens lives because of fear is basically wrong. We need to go back to kids begging for another five minutes under the street or barn lights because the fireflies are out thick, we need to go back to kids playing kick the can under the moon and stars, and we as adults need to step up and remove PERMANANTLY the predators from our midst that prey upon our children. No more games and psychobabble, you molest a child you get the needle period end of discussion. No parole , no reprieve, no pardon.... That there is my solution that and get the young ones back outside where kids can be kids!

Hear, hear! Public executions for all violent criminals and predators! Make public events out of 'em on the town square, like the old days. I'll bring the potato salad.

[lifesgood]

The one thing I see is a very poor drawing for a 13 year old. Even a doodle drawing. From the drawing I wonder if this was a Special Needs Child, If any of you have worked with Special Needs Kids then you won't understand. But they many times make threats verbal or other wise and you never know if it is real or not. I have seen those threats become real and others get hurt, maybe not shot but hit with a rock or chair, etc. My guess since I work in a Arizona Elementary School that there is more to this story than is being told. What is the history of this child?

[DrBoomBoom]

Liberty. It's over. I'm sick and depressed. Just when I thought people couldn't get more stupid, they do something like this. And these are the folks who are TEACHING our kids. Thank God I sent my kids to a private school. It cost us a bundle and we're not rich by any stretch of the imagination. These fools should be fired, sued, and not allowed within 500 yards of a child.

[troy2000]

I've read worse stories. There was one a while back where a kid picked up a gun-shaped charm off a charm bracelet on the way to school, and got suspended because it violated the school's "zero-tolerance" policy toward guns. And I've read of kids being thrown out for pointing fingers and going "bang-bang", too.

[SilentSoul]

Originally Posted by ezearln

I think the overall problem is we have forgotten how to let our kids just be kids, God knows we all fear the worst and prepare for it as well. But to remove the innocence from our childrens lives because of fear is basically wrong. We need to go back to kids begging for another five minutes under the street or barn lights because the fireflies are out thick, we need to go back to kids playing kick the can under the moon and stars, and we as adults need to step up and remove PERMANANTLY the predators from our midst that prey upon our children. No more games and psychobabble, you molest a child you get the needle period end of discussion. No parole , no reprieve, no pardon.... That there is my solution that and get the young ones back outside where kids can be kids!

How do we get this on the ballot?

Just remember:"Talking bout a revolution sounds like as whisper"

[cubbieman]

i remember doing a few of the things in this thread 5-10 years ago when i was in elementary school

[Coeloptera]

I think they school is "afraid" of this: YouTube - We Need a Dress Code

Okay, now watch that video, and tell me, who could walk with all the gear? The shotgun down the back of the pants was the stupidest part. Not to mention most of us here would be clever enough to hide numerous weapons on our person even if we wore khakis and a polo shirt.

By the way, the word "afraid" is in quote because of the obvious fact that they're not really afraid this nonsense will happen, but they have to say it because this way, they don't have to take any responsibility for anything that happens on school grounds that may actually require any informed decisions.

- Coeloptera

[Fokker]

Never mind all the noise that arsenal would make if he did anything other than just stand still. Anyone who believes that you could actually carry all that around realistically needs to get their head checked.

[SignorSchnitzel]

what a bunch of f***ing Pu$$ies

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Coeloptera

I think they school is "afraid" of this: YouTube - We Need a Dress Code
Okay, now watch that video, and tell me, who could walk with all the gear? The shotgun down the back of the pants was the stupidest part. Not to mention most of us here would be clever enough to hide numerous weapons on our person even if we wore khakis and a polo shirt.
By the way, the word "afraid" is in quote because of the obvious fact that they're not really afraid this nonsense will happen, but they have to say it because this way, they don't have to take any responsibility for anything that happens on school grounds that may actually require any informed decisions.
- Coeloptera

they were deliberately exaggerating in a humorous way, to make a point about their dress code.

I don't hold it against them; I thought it was pretty funny.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

My buddy who's a few years younger than I had a physics teacher in high school that had a cannon that he use to shoot off on the football field and let the kids calculate trajectories using a known weight and propellant.

Won't get that kind of hands on experience these days.

[cubbieman]

Originally Posted by Fokker

Never mind all the noise that arsenal would make if he did anything other than just stand still. Anyone who believes that you could actually carry all that around realistically needs to get their head checked.

they didn't even show his back, i bet his back was printed as hell, it looked like he pulled 2 out of his back pockets, if he had turned completely around a few times, sat down, stood up, and walked around a little, with people poking at him and de pantsing him with no printing or jingling that would be a believable amount of weapons to conceal day to day in an american middle school, I'd be hard pressed to get over 6 guns without printing, and id have to have one of those elastic band holster things and 2 would be pocket guns


oh hey i gotta go get the door

well looks like he had 5 pocket guns, so maybe a few more than that, but why would you want that many?

[Fokker]

Originally Posted by cubbieman

well looks like he had 5 pocket guns, so maybe a few more than that, but why would you want that many?

He watched the lobby scene in "The Matrix" one too many times?