Which Firearms Laws would you like to see changed.

[tommy]

did you see the welcome page for aol today how it said we have 90 out of 100 people owning guns in the united states.we are the biggest millitia there is.there's so much gun powder in the u.s it ain't funny.lol

here's the story.
When It Comes to Guns, We're No. 1 - AOL News

[mike63]

As far as Mississippi's gun laws go, there aren't a lot.Thou I don't see why I should have to pay $100.00 for a permit to carry concealed. As for Federal gun laws, 99.99% are garbage.

[Grananimal]

When I lived in Vermont they had the best laws. No permits for anything. You could have a fully auto gun. As long as it was registered. No permit to carry. I live in NH now and had to get a permit to carry. But otherwise I can go to a range here and shoot fully auto, silenced weapons, for a fee. They say you can own them also, but you have to get permits. Are carry permits are reasonable also 10.00 for 4 yrs.

[Troy]

what good are the laws anyway? they only restrain the people who give a damn. last time i checked that goon that wanted to shoot up his old lady for leaving him or that crack head that was gonna rob and shoot up a 7-11 didn't seem to mind that he was breaking any laws. i may sound like a cowboy, but it makes you wonder if one shouldn't dump the laws, that way the innocent folks can stop being punished for defending themselves. good god people, a wild animal that attacks a person is put down right away, but murderous scum bags aren't?

[samuel]

I agree with Troy 100%.Here in Mich.small and medium size towns are becoming very dangerous.We do have ccw and passed a new no retreat law but this is a hell of a way to live never knowing when you may have to be involved in a bad situation that should and could have been prevented by law enforcement.They keep saying it,s caused by national gangs.If they know the cause,why dont they stop it instead of trying to disarm the victims? sam.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by Troy

i may sound like a cowboy, but it makes you wonder if one shouldn't dump the laws,

Remember you need laws in order to charge and convict felons for their actions. This is why only laws governing the actions that deprive one of Life, Liberty or Happiness should remain. Laws that limit the way one carries, stores or uses a firearm in order for someone else to feel safe should be removed.

[samuel]

Spochap Anar:Yes we need laws but we dont need 22k of them when virtually all of them are designed to disarm the possible victim and leave the law abiding unarmed.We have way too many laws and to me it seems they are only enforced on the law abiding to disarm us and the violators are allowed to arm themselves,not because it is legal,only because our justice system refuses to do their duty and remove these sub-humans from society.Law enforcement,s highest sucess rate has been removing the means of protection from peace loving,law abiding citizens who need firearms for protection because the justice department,s will not or cannot do the job we put them in power to do because we do not want to live in anarchy. I not only agree with Troy that it is time for us law abiding citizens (hostages)to resort to the same tactics as the criminals use against us.This would not be necessary if our justice departments would spend more time prosicuting the anti-society few instead of disarming the very ones who need protection from sub-humans that want to live in anarchy instead of a law abiding society. sam.

[Troy]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Remember you need laws in order to charge and convict felons for their actions. This is why only laws governing the actions that deprive one of Life, Liberty or Happiness should remain. Laws that limit the way one carries, stores or uses a firearm in order for someone else to feel safe should be removed.

phaco, i am divided. with all due respect ............

my good self says " your right, laws will make us live in harmony,live, love, drink wine and make nice."

may bad self says " bull****! yeah, in a perfect world and maybe in disney movies. but not here at this time and on this world. look at how laughable the laws have made life where i live in canada, criminals having it better in prison than some folks working trying to get by. the street crime in general. how many states in the US have the same problem. we cannot expect the monkeys in govt to make things right, not when they live in their ivory tower and not down where the real people live. phaco, the only people restricted by the laws are the decent law abiding citizens as it is. give them the freedom to go to war with the scum and put up a fair fight without fear of being locked up themselves.

the good people of society will not run loose taking lives indiscriminantly, that will as always be left to the criminals. well lets make it an eye for an eye. equal opportunity, every criminal should be met by a firearm. carry what you choose, my bad guy can do his explaining to my .357.

[Idaho Dave]

im sure im setting myself up but here goes
Just my two cents worth, but IMO the only laws needed in our society are thou salt not kill and thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false whiteness etc. All the rest, it seems to me, tend to be more of a means of the depriving the citizenry of their rights, and controlling them to maintain the current side of power. This includes our right to be responsible for our own actions. The court system, along with a countless army of attorneys, has manipulated criminal law and crime and punishment to the point where, to me, it no longer carries credibility.
Some may think that a few laws are needed to govern the possession and use of firearms, to them I respectfully disagree. If you kill another human using a firearm, or any other means, in any circumstance other then defense of self, others or property, then you should have to pay the penalty. That penalty alone should be enough to ensure that the perpetrator would never be armed again. Similarly, with other crimes of violence. Laws that deny felons the right to own weapons are extremely hypocritical in their very nature. Such a law infers that the American justice system doesn’t work and that no man is capable of being rehabilitated. If that is the case (and I in no way elude to the fact that it is or not) then why are the released from prison? Laws restricting the type and style of firearms are merely the government, influenced by a few psudo elite (answering to none), attempting to keep the citizenry at a defensive level that can be over powered. All guns, from the lowly .22 to the fully auto AK 47 to the .50 cal carry with them the ability, in the right hands, to cause death. For the government to pick and choose which ones we should be able to have is distressing to me. It either demonstrates the lack of trust they have in each of us, or more sinisterly, the fact that when the day comes they want to be better armed then you and I. For those who may think they don't want criminal to get such weapons, I say by the very definition of the term criminal they will not regard the law and will posses what weapons they choose. Those who might think why dose any one need/want such weapons I can tell you have never gone out and emptied a full AK mag or shot an Uzi, it's just plain fun (kinda like sex. Well not that fun but close). And as far as mentally deranged (where I make my lively hood) getting weapons, who is to say they are too deranged until they act. Further, I think if pissed off enough I could go into a busy place and start swinging a bat and do a whole lot of damage while the sheeple of today’s America stood by and watched out of fear. Dose that mean bat owners should be required to list their bats and have a permit for them? No metal bats should be sold? I may be a fool, or just born a few hundred years too late, but I think a well armed citizenry is a far bigger deterrent to crime then a few police that may or may not understand the law or have entered into their profession with the highest of ideals.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Whoa Guys!

OK; I see where this has gone awry. Troy I mistook your post as meaning you wanting to dump all laws; which I see now you were referring to just the erroneous gun laws.

I am not advocating 22K laws to disarm gun owners. I am stating that if one was to commit a crime against his fellow man or society that there must be a way to deal with him once his is caught afte the fact.

I am with you guys on this one; guns laws that do nothing to the respect of punishing criminal actions should be DUMPED!

[TexasT]

I'm never quite sure how to differentiate property vs premisis, but I think you should be able to defend yourself in your home as well as on your yard or in your car. I know there's the whole deal with innocent bystanders, but as most ppl have said if the criminal wants to do harm to you he will - without the regard for anyone else. If I'm getting hi-jacked at gun point I want to be able to defend myself. I know a car is just a thing and can be replaced but my life cannot. Who's to say I won't get forced out of my car and then shot. If a criminal has the guts to point a gun at me he should have the guts to endure the consequences. The important thing to remember though is shoot to disable not shoot to kill.

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by TexasT

I'm never quite sure how to differentiate property vs premisis, but I think you should be able to defend yourself in your home as well as on your yard or in your car. I know there's the whole deal with innocent bystanders, but as most ppl have said if the criminal wants to do harm to you he will - without the regard for anyone else. If I'm getting hi-jacked at gun point I want to be able to defend myself. I know a car is just a thing and can be replaced but my life cannot. Who's to say I won't get forced out of my car and then shot. If a criminal has the guts to point a gun at me he should have the guts to endure the consequences. The important thing to remember though is shoot to disable not shoot to kill.

Wrong. If you are going to pull your weapon and fire, you shoot to kill............. er..........neatralize! If you don't, you will get the guano sued out of you! Shooting someone in the leg will tell the jury that you didn't perceive the perp as life threatening. You want to take care of him for the rest of your life, shoot him in the leg.

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Wrong. If you are going to pull your weapon and fire, you shoot to kill............. er..........neatralize! If you don't, you will get the guano sued out of you! Shooting someone in the leg will tell the jury that you didn't perceive the perp as life threatening. You want to take care of him for the rest of your life, shoot him in the leg.

Lol this is kinda true, but I also live in Texas. We fry ppl for less. I don't think I could live with the guilt of killing someone. I could live with the idea of paralyzing them from the neck down...just my opinion. But you're right. There's only one side to the story when one person is dead.

[cubbieman]

ummmm I'd rather be dead than paralyzed, but that's just me.


2 in the chest one in the head


or if you live in an anti gun state all of your rounds in the chest

[TexasT]

Originally Posted by cubbieman

ummmm I'd rather be dead than paralyzed, but that's just me.


2 in the chest one in the head


or if you live in an anti gun state all of your rounds in the chest

Exactly cubbie, think of how hard life would be for that person who was paralyzed. He'd wish he was dead.

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by TexasT

Lol this is kinda true, but I also live in Texas. We fry ppl for less. I don't think I could live with the guilt of killing someone. I could live with the idea of paralyzing them from the neck down...just my opinion. But you're right. There's only one side to the story when one person is dead.

When I was going through my permit carry class, here in Tennessee, my instructor was the Chief of Police in Sommerville, TN. He also had an attorney there. We went through this at length. Nobody in their right mind wants to play God and take a human life, but there are times when this is the only way that you will live to see tomorrow. There are legal as well as moral ramifications involved when this situation arises. When you take your course you will understand this better. I hope and pray that I never have to pull my .357, but if I do, I'll aim and shoot at center torsoe until the perp goes down. Legs and arms are too hard to hit when your getting the biggest adrenlin rush you've ever had in your life and piss is running down your leg. When your mind tells you your gonna die, you'll shoot to kill.

[samuel]

In actual combat I never thought about me being injured or dying.All I ever thought was how to put the most of them out of action that I could.I dont think anyone does think about themselves much.Just stop the insanity anyway you can. sam.

[ArkansasHunter]

Idaho Dave excellent post !!! Brother Bob I agree with you 100% you have to shoot to kill for said reasons. BUT God forbid I don't ever have to !
I have a nephew thats an ex fellon, he gave some guys a ride that had stole something and they all got caught. He did some time and even went to Boot Camp
I feel so sorry for this kid, he can't go hunting nor even touch a gun because he's a felon. Note he was a young teenager when that happened and he's now in his late 30's, he has never been in any kind of trouble since. I feel he should be able to atleast own a gun to hunt with.
Some gun laws we do need but most are B.S. To explain my self pertaining to laws we need. One is Don't sell to minors, criminals that are repeat offenders and some felons along with proven mental case's. Don't sell to illegals, thats enough for now.

[Neanderthal]

We should be able to submit to background checks online somehow and have firearms delivered to our homes. I live 70 miles from the nearest good gun dealers. Criminals don't obey laws anyway, right? If guns cause crime mine are broken.

[cubbieman]

well since this thread is already back

Originally Posted by TexasT

Exactly cubbie, think of how hard life would be for that person who was paralyzed. He'd wish he was dead.

i'd be afraid of losing some frivolous lawsuit and having to pay them for the rest of their life, and I'd feel more guilty leaving someone suffering for years than leaving them dead almost instantly