Which .223 military rifle do I want? If thats what I'm looking for...
There are sooo many of them and I can't choose which one I want.
Here is what I want.... Absolutely no recoil, semi-auto, must be lefty accessible.
I want a good gun that I can shoot on the range for a long time without worrying about the recoil. I think that .223 is a great caliber (haven't shot one) and it's really cheap.
I shot a .308 battle rifle semi-auto and it had the best recoil I've experienced with that big of a caliber. I think it was because it was gas operated and thats what made the recoil so light.
I think that the Savage Model 11 Accutrigger I have is an awful gun for me to learn on because it's startling and it hurts when you shoot for a while. It's also very expensive in ammo.
My other gun is a Mauser K98 and that's hard to learn on as well because of the strong recoil.
Most likely (and I think you would agree) that I should learn on iron sights before I go crazy and get all sorts of optics.
I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. Maybe I just need a .22 semi? I think that maybe it'd be easier for me to learn on semi.
Not that this really matters, but I really like the look of the panther grip.
I want to get back into this hobby of shooting, but I want to start off on the right foot with the right equipment.
A good .22 such as a Ruger 10-22 or Marlin 60 will allow much more trigger time than any other center-fire out there. They are great for teaching breathing, trigger control, and sight picture due to the lack of recoil. The only drawback for you would be the right-hand ejection. To my knowledge there aren't any left-hand semi-auto rimfires made at this time, but I could be mistaken. There are a couple of left-hand versions of the AR-15 that would be good as well. Look at Welcome to Stag Arms Official Home Page
A good .22 such as a Ruger 10-22 or Marlin 60 will allow much more trigger time than any other center-fire out there. They are great for teaching breathing, trigger control, and sight picture due to the lack of recoil. The only drawback for you would be the right-hand ejection. To my knowledge there aren't any left-hand semi-auto rimfires made at this time, but I could be mistaken. There are a couple of left-hand versions of the AR-15 that would be good as well. Look at Welcome to Stag Arms Official Home Page
Yea, everything he said. My buddy has one of the stag left handers and really likes it.
They charge so much for AR's because they can. Supply and demand. You can save a little by buying a complete upper and putting the lower together yourself. Saves money and it's fun - can't find a downside. If you have any mechanical aptitude, you can do it. Several web sites have step by step instructions. But, get the complete upper - don't try to put it together - not worth it.
The Ruger 10/22's are still fairly reasonable price wise - for now.
I reccomend the .223 AK47. I just finished a training session with two models: a Norinco full size and a custom AK-102 built on a Saiga reciever. They are AWESOME performers. Legit 300 yard carbines with no recoil.
buy a good quality bolt action 22lr. as far as centerfire semi auto's are concerned, as long as it is not a bullpup configuration, just about every one made is left handed friendly.
The AK variants in 223 are suprisingly mild recoiling and tend to be more accurate then their 7.62x39mm counterparts. Saigas and customizations thereof are my recommendation.
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I just got a new Stag 15-L with carry handle (the one at the top of the screen below) left handed and I love it (after a little breakfree clp on the bolt and carrier of course)!
How low is the recoil on a Stag 15-L? I can't determine which rifle I'm going to like as my main one. There are too many . Carbines, and ar15's and so on :P.
"...Absolutely no recoil..." Physics won't allow that. Mind you, there isn't much felt recoil with any .223.
"...the Savage Model 11..." It comes in .223. Weighs 6.5 pounds. It'd do nicely. Have a look at the Savage Model 10GXP3(one of their package rifles) too. Barrels a bit heavier and comes with a scope(not a great one, but it'll do to start with). A 10XP is the same rifle with a camouflaged stock and steel. More money though.
"...because it was gas operated..." Yep. A semi-auto .308 battle rifle tends to be heavier than a bolt action .308 too. That absorbs felt recoil too. So does the design and shape of the stock.
"...easier for me to learn on..." A .22 will cost you a whole bunch less to shoot too. You will have to try as many brands of ammo as you can to find the ammo any semi-auto .22 will both shoot well and cycle the action. It's just the way .22's are. The cost of said ammo doesn't matter either.
I'm definitely going with a .22 first to learn the basics, but I'm sort of anxious to get a .223 rifle. They are so customizable and nice looking. There are too many to get though .
I don't think I'm anywhere near knowledgeable to be able to tell the difference in ammo when I shoot.
I wish my Savage were gas operated...It kills your shoulder in .308, especially with the super sniper stock.
Pre ban is mainly a term used to sell guns now. The clinton gun ban has droped so now all guns are "pre ban" with the exception of states that adopted laws simulair to the ban and continue to inforce them. basicly things like flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and other things that make it an "evil assault rifle"
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Which .223 military rifle do I want? If thats what I'm looking for... 
. Carbines, and ar15's and so on :P.
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