Union City Woman Arrested for Making Salty Hamburgers

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by george_l

O...ok
Hey...that was a low blow!!!! But funny...roflmao. Like I said, I'm just playing devils advocate...plus I say that if 3 jursidictions worth of officers a judge, a district atty and a partrige in a pear tree all agree with the arrest, then there is definately more than meets the eye. I don't think that that many people would be willing to put their jobs and/or political futures on the line for something stupid...IMO

Either that, or they're just slow to believe a cop would make that big a mountain out of a mole hill; they may have figured there must be something there if he raised that much fuss.

Remember the New York judge who sued a dry cleaning shop for millions of dollars, because he claims they lost a pair of his pants? He lost, and now he's appealing.

[Rave]

The trouble with this kind of BS is that it may set a precident,to be used sometime in the future,when things really get screwed up.

[lefty o]

does somebody have an actual link to this story from a credible source. someone else mentioned it, mcdonalds uses frozen premade patties, and has done so for at least 30years. something is not right with this story.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by lefty o

does somebody have an actual link to this story from a credible source. someone else mentioned it, mcdonalds uses frozen premade patties, and has done so for at least 30years. something is not right with this story.

What do you consider a "credible source?" Pred's original post has a link to Fox News Channel Five in Atlanta...and here's a link to FoxNews.com:
FOXNews.com - McDonald's Worker Arrested for Serving Cop Salty Hamburger - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
Here's an Associated Press article posted on msnbc.com:
Salt lands McDonald's employee in jail - Criminal Peculiarity - MSNBC.com
City public information officer George Louth said Bull was charged because she served the burger “without regards to the well-being of anyone who might consume it.”
This article also quotes her as saying she accidentally spilled salt on hamburger meat and told her supervisor and a co-worker, who “tried to thump the salt off.” So they could very well have been preformed patties...

[lefty o]

i missed the original link, thank you. now that ive read it, i still say something isnt right. they clearly say she was MIXING hamburger meat, they dont do that a mc'ds. now the cop probably overreacted, but i wasnt there.

[SilverRun]

This is ridiculous! I don't really care what the whole story is. She could not have know it was a cop from her workstation (she couldn't see the drive-through). So what! He had a salty hamburger. Why should he be any different than anyone else who got a bad burger. Go get your money back and get over it! As for resisting arrest - if it were an unlawful arrest to start with - I don't see how she could be charged with resisting.

I am pro-lawenforcement, but guys like this should not be wearing a badge - unless it says McDonald's!

And another thing! We have way too many stupid laws in this country - we need to get back to the basics. You know - the thou salt not's!

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by george_l

Oh and as far as your other comment...the difference between a normal person and a cop is that ALOT of people will try to screw with a cop's food just because he's a cop. Most people don't just screw with normal people's food for kicks.

So what you are saying that if someone intentionally screwed with a cop's food then they should be carted off to jail where as if someone screwed with my food then I should just suck it up......? Yep you're one of those people aren't you. Hey this is Ga, maybe the cop oversalted his own burger and then lied about it on the arrest report like his buddies in Atlanta that shot ol grandma to death.

And by the way most people don't screw with cop's food either for kicks; if they'll do it to a cop then they will do it to anyone for kicks.

[cubbieman]

SA, he was saying people are more likely to mess with a cops food than yours, which is true, there are a lot of people that have had negative run ins with the cops flipping your burgers, there was a kid here that got arrested for that at wendys here.

[Lng Rng]

Wouldn't you think people would be a little more afraid of messing with a cops food, simply because they have more authority than the average citizen.

I never hear of Krispy Kreme double glazing donuts.

[george_l]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

So what you are saying that if someone intentionally screwed with a cop's food then they should be carted off to jail where as if someone screwed with my food then I should just suck it up......? Yep you're one of those people aren't you. Hey this is Ga, maybe the cop oversalted his own burger and then lied about it on the arrest report like his buddies in Atlanta that shot ol grandma to death.

And by the way most people don't screw with cop's food either for kicks; if they'll do it to a cop then they will do it to anyone for kicks.

No I'm not saying that at all. If someone screws with your burger then they deserve to go to jail and deal with every single legal reprocution.
What I did say was that people are much more likely to screw with a cop's food than an average person's food. You get some guy who has had some run in with the police that he thinks was unfair and every time he sees a police dept employee he's gonna do something if he can. If you don't think it happens that's your choice...but I'll tell you that it definately does happen, more than you'd think.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by george_l

No I'm not saying that at all. If someone screws with your burger then they deserve to go to jail and deal with every single legal reprocution.

When I proposed that a cop would not pursue with the same legal prowess had this been my food you replied with: "People are more likely to mess with a cop's food."

My assertian is that if an employee oversalted my food for kicks and giggles and I complained to a cop he would laugh me out of the station. Sorry oversalting someone's burger is not a criminal offense; poisoning with chemicals IS. As the employee said: "if he knew it was oversalted why did he take eight bites out of it". This is not a legal matter and it should have stopped with the Manager of the store offering some free food. There is no criminal intent here.

[Coeloptera]

I gotta say, it's tough to be on that cop's side on this one, almost no matter what the circumstances were.

If the food was oversalted, no way could it be a health risk to the guy, as any quantity capable of causing illness would be immediately evident after one bite.

I do understand LEOs get their food messed with where other people don't, but this just smacks of a guy throwing his authority around. It's hardly unheard of. Everyone remember the off-duty Chicago cop who seriously manhandled some little lady bartender? http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/n...?storyid=78371

This is what I keep saying about LEO jobs. Pay more, evaluate a lot harder. Weed out the folks in it for the power and support the good ones a lot better. The culture of protecting other officers at all costs has to stop too. I have some personal knowledge of a bad, bad case...Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa. They were two NYC cops who were apparently hitmen for the mob in their off-hours...and on duty. My wife knew Louis when she was little.

There's no way they should have been able to get away with it for so long.

I dunno, I ask some of your LEOs out there, and I ask honestly, does the culture of protecting other LEOs at seemingly all costs and supporting them even if they're in the wrong bother you any?

I think I've made it clear, the reason a lot of people (myself included) get so contemptuous of LEOs that seemingly overreact or throw their authority around is because we expect and want so much better from them. We want Blue Knights, not Buford T. Justice.

- Coeloptera

[cwinn]

Originally Posted by george_l

Are you sure that she didn't do it on purpose? I'm not defending this cop, I wasn't there and didn't see what happened. What I'm saying is that if there were that many police officers from several jurisdictions and the district atty and a judge have approved of the arrest then A:there's definately something else going on that we don't know about and B:this is at the very minimum a legal arrest.

Oh and as far as your other comment...the difference between a normal person and a cop is that ALOT of people will try to screw with a cop's food just because he's a cop. Most people don't just screw with normal people's food for kicks. My bet is that he complained and she came back with some kind of a disturbance and probably resisted arrest....just my guess.

Hey whats up guys,
I was surfing the web and found you all having a very intellegent conversation about this McDonald's case. I used to be a police officer and worked in a suburban NY police department for about 11 years before changing careers. The one thing I can say is that I have worked with a few over zealous police officers, judges and prosecutors. Just look in the news nowadays, at least once a week, theres a report about a cop, judge or prosecutor who has acted irrational. It appears to me that this could have been handled in a different manner. Some of you are giving the police officer the benefit of the doubt that he is truely some kind of victim, I just want to suggest that the cook is just that, a cook and I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt also, as i am sure she didn't go to work that day to see who's burger she could over salt. I can recall getting fast food one day and having a hamburger that was very salty, but I never thought of trying to jail the cook. Also, in case everyone has forgotten, McDonalds is a fast food restaurant, and although you should be entittled to a certain quality of food, you have to be realistic about what you ingesting when you eat at these types of places. I am also wondering about the officer who ate the burger. I have read reports that he took several bits. But I have never heard of anyone being hospitalized for taking several bits of a oversalted burger. I am hoping that this girl can ditch the pro bono attorney and get some real good legal counsel so that she can fight this case against her. I think this kind of thing can have a chilling effect if it is allowed to stand and set precedent. And last, Imagine if that were your son or daughter who was 20 years old working to make some extra money, perhaps part time or whatever. Would you want your kid to be jailed and put through the system all because she spilled too much seasoning in the meat?

[george_l]

I may be sounding like a broken record here, but I still say there's more to this story. What was this girl's arrest record? Had she or anyone else in the McDonalds have a problem with the police or this officer in general? Why was she mixing the meat if McDs uses frozen patties? How much salt was spilled on the burger? I really want to know the whole story before I make my mind up.

SPOCAHP, I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. What I meant was that ANY TIME a restaurant employee intentionally does something to ANYBODY'S food they deserve to be punished. But a police officer's food is generally more likely to be messed with than an average person's food.

As far as the question about police officer's defending other police officers...that's a really hard question to answer. I'm sort of on both sides of the fence because I work with them and am a part of their "family" but I'm also a civillian so I'm more like a 2nd or 3rd cousin. I know that they view it as a family. I know that alot of times the only support that a police officer will get is from other police officers. I don't really have any more insight than that right now, I'll let you know how it is when I join the road patrol.

[.22guy]

I don't know for a fact, but I don't even think McDonalds would salt their hamburger meat or pre-frozen patties. Those things already have enough sodium to last a week.

I'm with George on this one. I think there is more to the story. But it makes good headlines to say a woman was arrested for a too salty burger. She probably deserved it.

[Rave]

I saw her on TV and she said she accvidently spilled salt on the burger,why didn't she just discard it and go on?
Is MD too dam tight to toss a burger?

[Coeloptera]

Well, it's interesting to hear cwinn's opinion on it, as a former LEO. But I do have to agree that without more info, we can't be sure what the deal is.

But then, the media kinda sucks currently, doesn't it? Lack of details, poor grammar, not using the spellchecker, et cetera.

I will say it doesn't seem unlikely that a LEO got into a snit and took it out on the woman, as there are too many examples of complete overreactions or bad behavior from LEOs to instantly discount this. It obviously isn't the majority of LEOs by any means, but when it gets noticed, it's often the case that it was noticed because it was inexcusable.

In other words, it often makes the news because the specific LEO's behavior was overt enough to gain attention.

I think that's a fair assessment, not knowing more. Anyone agree?

- Coeloptera

[toolman]

I say that just looking at this case on the very basest merits, ie: cop goes through McD's drive-through, gets an over-salted burger, eats approx 1\2 of it, goes back to McD's and arrests cook after calling for back-up, what's to argue? This seems pretty cut-and-dried to me. As said previously, we weren't there, BUT, what kind of idiot would eat EIGHT bites out of an over-salted burger without noticing it? Salt is pretty noticeable and can make a lot of people sick, me included. I find it pretty incomprehensible that someone could eat that much of a burger if it was truly that unpalatable.

[Coeloptera]

Okay...what I was just saying about bad cops getting noticed?

STLtoday - News - St. Louis City / County

Cop caught on video threatening to arrest a guy and make up charges later. Overtly and directly.

Seriously, how do these guys get through the academy?

Here's the video: Cop gone wild- Lying and making threats just part of his job

I so mean it when I say I want to respect every LEO I see and think that there's a person doing a tough job because they want to make a difference. But damn...that minority is often so bad it makes me wary...

- Coeloptera

[george_l]

Originally Posted by Coeloptera

Okay...what I was just saying about bad cops getting noticed?

STLtoday - News - St. Louis City / County

Cop caught on video threatening to arrest a guy and make up charges later. Overtly and directly.

Seriously, how do these guys get through the academy?

Here's the video: Cop gone wild- Lying and making threats just part of his job

I so mean it when I say I want to respect every LEO I see and think that there's a person doing a tough job because they want to make a difference. But damn...that minority is often so bad it makes me wary...

- Coeloptera

I really do understand what you're saying. I know that it's really hard to respect cops when all you see in the news is bad. As a matter of fact for all I know you might've had an experience with a bad cop face to face. But seriously you can't judge the whole lot by what a few do. Every single profession has its share of bad apples. I used to think the same way that you do, I had a bad experience and blamed the whole profession. But then I got a job with them, had to meet a lot of 'em and work with them on a daily basis, and I realized that most of them are good people. There are alot of different reasons that people do that job, most do it to help people. The ones that do it for the power are wrong and usually do really poorly. I can honestly say that, although I've met several very bad cops, the vast majority are good. If you don't believe me then go to your local dept and see if they have a ride along program...you'll get to see first hand what your local officers are like and see how the dept works. I'm not saying all this to try and make the bad ones look better, I'm just trying to get you to give the good ones a chance to prove themselves.