ATF come a Knockin ? HELP - Page 3

Pred · 09-14-2007, 02:28 PM

This is why I try to buy all my guns face to face... no paperwork, no trail... Or have others buy them for me as Christmas/Birthday gifts.

samuel · 09-14-2007, 02:34 PM

You cant buy a handgun without going through the system legally. sam.

knightRider · 09-14-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty o

im kinda wondering why your FFL is turning in his books??

you have to in ga dont you?

lefty o · 09-14-2007, 02:53 PM

samuel, you most definately can. in this state, i can buy a handgun face to face with no paperwork legally.

A-10 · 09-14-2007, 03:08 PM

Not in North Carolina. My state is awfully finicky about handguns.

BunnyWabbit · 09-14-2007, 03:36 PM

If you haven't done anything wrong, don't worry about it. If you have a reason to be worried about it have a lawyer handy just in case. This is why America is free.

knightRider · 09-14-2007, 04:02 PM

i m not worried just shocked .

samuel · 09-14-2007, 04:14 PM

LeftyO:I thought that was federal on any consealable firearm.In Michigan you must go to the sheriff,s dept. and obtain a permit to purchase.The background check is included. sam.

lefty o · 09-14-2007, 04:18 PM

not federal.

samuel · 09-14-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty o

not federal.

I looked up Minn.law on handguns and it states that to transfer a handgun or assault weapon you have to get a transferee permit from a law enforcement agency.I believe this means the purchaser.There is a lot more including that you dont have to get a transferee permit if you already have a permit to carry a handgun.In Michigan it is the same except it states a concealed carry license.Also in Mich.you must have all concealable weapons registered.Even plack powder.I believe our laws are very simmilar.

Beer Forever · 09-14-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

You cant buy a handgun without going through the system legally. sam.

That is not true at all. Here you can buy a gun from anybody off the street and it is completely legal. It is going through the FFL that leaves the paper trail. I can't tell you have many guns I have bought and sold to people at gun shows.

lifesgood · 09-14-2007, 05:49 PM

If it was me I would contact a lawyer ASAP and ask him or her about your rights & what to do if they show up. Remember they can find any reason to do what ever they want. For them to get a warrant is no problem. Anything you say to them can be used against you. This is not something to mess with. Get good sound legal advise. We all have ideas about what to do. OPINIONS but if those that have posted what to do are not lawyers then you might be sending this guy the wrong way. If there are a LEOs here from your State they maybe able to give you an idea as to what to say or not. I hope they don't come. Because once they get on your trail you will have to look over your shoulder for a long time. Best Wishes

Idaho Dave · 09-14-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Beer Forever

That is not true at all. Here you can buy a gun from anybody off the street and it is completely legal. It is going through the FFL that leaves the paper trail. I can't tell you have many guns I have bought and sold to people at gun shows.

same here I buy lots of times from private citizens and there is pretty much the no questions asked kinda thihng

meatloaf · 09-14-2007, 05:57 PM

All legal gun purchases have to have a background check in colorado

george_l · 09-14-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt

Hey,
Just wonderin how you can ask them to leave if they have a warrant?! Also i realy like Alex jones and his work Alex Jones' Infowars.com :: There is a War on for Your Mind! i was watchin one of his videos and a ladie was excersicing her rights (she had commited no crime and was pulled over) she refused to andswer questions and to get out of the car..the officer then grabed her and got her out of the car and tried to charge her with assulting an officer the officers then went through her car and found information on gvernments and suff about the constitution and called her crazy....america needs more crazy people, america needs more americans!!!

If they have a warrant you can't ask them to leave. They're coming in and there's a good chance that you're going to jail. It's pretty difficult to get a warrant, they have to have probable cause that a crime has been committed.
Oh, and as far as I know if an officer legally stops a vehicle(for whatever reason) the driver/passengers can't refuse to talk. They can refuse searches but not talking. I didn't really watch the video or go to the site but, believe it or not there are some people who are crazy, maybe she was or maybe she wasn't. I agree with you that america needs more americans though.

p.s. if it were me I dunno what to do about letting them in. Part of me says yes and part says no. But I'd definately talk to them and answer any/all questions TRUTHFULLY. Also I'd say that burying any of the guns that you've bought in the past year or so might not be such a good idea. Definately screams suspicious activity,(why would you bury a gun) and might make a search warrant easier. Remember they WANT to search your home, if you don't let them fine but then they're gonna be looking for a way to get a judge to sign a warrant.

lefty o · 09-14-2007, 06:41 PM

sam, while its true you need a pistol purchase permit to buy a handgun from a dealer, you can purchase from idividuals face to face with no paperwork.

samuel · 09-14-2007, 07:02 PM

I think its good for the law to be that way but dont understand how you can be sure you arent selling to a fellon or some nut that would go on a killing spree.If you did sell to someone like that I bet you would be in big trouble. sam.

lefty o · 09-14-2007, 07:07 PM

if you knowingly sell to a felon or nutcase, you are criminally liable.

just_a_car · 09-14-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty o

if you knowingly sell to a felon or nutcase, you are criminally liable.

Which is why, at WA State gun shows that are mostly run by WAC (Washington Arms Collectors), you have to be member to buy or sell guns and to be a member, you have to have a background check come through "all clear".

Also, if you're doing something face to face and you don't know the person that well, ask to see their Concealed permit if they have one and their picture ID. That way, you can be certain they've gone through the check at least once and cleared. Now, they may not still be legal to buy, but you can tell a judge that you checked and they had a Concealed permit and that's a lot better than just taking their word.

JBS · 09-14-2007, 07:50 PM

YOU GOIN' TO JAIL !!

09-14-2007, 04:02 PM	#47
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09-14-2007, 02:28 PM	#41
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	This is why I try to buy all my guns face to face... no paperwork, no trail... Or have others buy them for me as Christmas/Birthday gifts.

09-14-2007, 02:34 PM	#42
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	You cant buy a handgun without going through the system legally. sam.

09-14-2007, 02:53 PM	#44
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,806	samuel, you most definately can. in this state, i can buy a handgun face to face with no paperwork legally.

09-14-2007, 03:08 PM	#45
A-10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 732	Not in North Carolina. My state is awfully finicky about handguns.

09-14-2007, 03:36 PM	#46
BunnyWabbit Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jayhawk Country Posts: 1,086	If you haven't done anything wrong, don't worry about it. If you have a reason to be worried about it have a lawyer handy just in case. This is why America is free.

09-14-2007, 04:14 PM	#48
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	LeftyO:I thought that was federal on any consealable firearm.In Michigan you must go to the sheriff,s dept. and obtain a permit to purchase.The background check is included. sam.

09-14-2007, 04:18 PM	#49
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,806	not federal.

09-14-2007, 05:49 PM	#52
lifesgood Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 147	If it was me I would contact a lawyer ASAP and ask him or her about your rights & what to do if they show up. Remember they can find any reason to do what ever they want. For them to get a warrant is no problem. Anything you say to them can be used against you. This is not something to mess with. Get good sound legal advise. We all have ideas about what to do. OPINIONS but if those that have posted what to do are not lawyers then you might be sending this guy the wrong way. If there are a LEOs here from your State they maybe able to give you an idea as to what to say or not. I hope they don't come. Because once they get on your trail you will have to look over your shoulder for a long time. Best Wishes

09-14-2007, 05:57 PM	#54
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 904 Images: 3	All legal gun purchases have to have a background check in colorado

09-14-2007, 06:41 PM	#56
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,806	sam, while its true you need a pistol purchase permit to buy a handgun from a dealer, you can purchase from idividuals face to face with no paperwork.

09-14-2007, 07:02 PM	#57
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	I think its good for the law to be that way but dont understand how you can be sure you arent selling to a fellon or some nut that would go on a killing spree.If you did sell to someone like that I bet you would be in big trouble. sam.

09-14-2007, 07:07 PM	#58
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,806	if you knowingly sell to a felon or nutcase, you are criminally liable.

09-14-2007, 07:50 PM	#60
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 761	YOU GOIN' TO JAIL !!