09-20-2007, 12:56 AM
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#21 | | Firearm Zealot
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There's a difference in being asked to leave and being forced to the ground, handcuffed, and Tasered for making noise.
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09-20-2007, 01:21 AM
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#22 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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When you ask someone to leave and they don't, and then they resist and raise their voice, they are now disturbing the peace and must needs be removed bodily from the premisis (sp). Freedom of speech does not include being a rude jerk. There are standards of conduct that must be adhered to.
Listen to me, arguing on the side of decorum, now that's a switch. Nobody ever accused me of being polite society.
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09-20-2007, 01:50 AM
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#23 | | Firearm Zealot
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As far asI'm concerned, my peace was disturbed more by the jerk on stage! 
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09-20-2007, 07:58 AM
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The kid was a provocateur. He went up there deliberately to make a scene and get arrested, and would have kept going until it happened, period. He even had a girl videotaping it, to make d*** sure it was captured for posterity. He's a sorry little trouble-making scum bag, not a free-speech hero.
The cops were idiots for over-reacting and giving the kid exactly what he wanted. I think they need some training, but they're hardly proof of a burgeoning police state.
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09-20-2007, 08:44 AM
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#25 | | Firearm Zealot
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To me the cops acted alittle reserved in handling the guy and when they got the guy down on the floor the guy struggled and resisted being hand cuffed...If he was zapped with a taser he would of went out like a light. So if they zapped him they did it on a low setting.
The cops were doing what they were there to do and that was show a presents and security along with remove folks like this guy.
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09-20-2007, 09:17 AM
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#26 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter  | To me the cops acted alittle reserved in handling the guy and when they got the guy down on the floor the guy struggled and resisted being hand cuffed...If he was zapped with a taser he would of went out like a light. So if they zapped him they did it on a low setting.
The cops were doing what they were there to do and that was show a presents and security along with remove folks like this guy. | Tasers cause temporary loss of muscle control. They don't normally knock someone unconscious.
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09-20-2007, 09:38 AM
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#27 | | Firearm Zealot
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Fokker yes they do my son carrys one as a Police officer.
He was attacked Saturday night by a man wielding a butcher knife.
The poor guy was bypolar and hadn't taken his medication in a while.
My son gave him a 5 second charge that temporaily shut him down BUT your half right they do come to or around in a few seconds.
If he hadn't of tased him he would of had to shoot him, thats the sad part...A.H
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09-20-2007, 10:09 AM
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#28 | | Firearm Aficionado
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I carry a Tazer while on duty and I'll tell you I would much rather be "Tazed" then shot, beat, or punched. However the officers did give this loudmouth what he wanted,attention, but they had they time that this video play to make the deciosn they made.could they have done something different? maybey but loudmouth may have just continued beening a jerk until they did do something to get atteintion.
Are we all Monday morning quarterbacking? yes I think we are.
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09-20-2007, 10:28 AM
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#29 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Originally Posted by troy2000 | The kid was a provocateur. He went up there deliberately to make a scene and get arrested, and would have kept going until it happened, period. He even had a girl videotaping it, to make d*** sure it was captured for posterity. He's a sorry little trouble-making scum bag, not a free-speech hero.
The cops were idiots for over-reacting and giving the kid exactly what he wanted. I think they need some training, but they're hardly proof of a burgeoning police state. | Exactly my point it was all a show to get people to react and bring his cause to the for front. come on people his web site is set up for puplicity. A stuff for sale and Interviews (empty so far) section already there. this isnt about free speech at all. he wasnt out on the lawn of the building talking about his ideas! he probably had to buy a ticket to even get in, when you do that you agree to abide by certain standards (look at the back of any ticket you buy to go see anything other then a movie).
I'll tell you what mental health is my business and quite frankly, I would go to court for those officers and say that he was acting irrationally. At least from what I saw in the tapes. Did the police act improperly? Maybe, but you cant even see from the video what he is doing or saying on the ground (other then what he wants you too). Free speech isnt even a question here and free speech carries some degree of responsability. According to several reports the kid shoved his way to the front of the line (of course he didnt film that part). Was that behavior proctected by free speech? Using the mic in that forum where others got tickets and many where going to have a chance to ask questions is not free speech if it were you could tell the phone company that you werent going to pay your bill after all you have free speech. You people that think that way are a good example of being PHONY.
Phonys? No I think most of us just can tell a staged bunch of bs when we see it. I have teh right to bear arms that dosnt mean I have the right to go into a store and start shooting the lights out or even point my gun at anyone. all of our freedoms have with them certain responabilities.
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09-20-2007, 10:51 AM
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#30 | | Firearm Zealot
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Okay let's get this straight, when this yahoo went to ask his question he was advised of the rules and how much time he was permitted to ask them in. He violated those rules and was asked repeatedly to step down and allow the next person their opportunity to ask a question. Instead he decided to refuse to obey the lawful commands of those charged with enforcing order in that hall. And yes it is a matter of LAW that you must obey the commands of a peace officer whether or not you think he or she is right or not. Period! And yes I agree this dimwit was looking for attention just to get his 15 minutes of fame. The Freedoms we enjoy also come with responsibilities as well as simple common courtesy! This Lad display neither.
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#31 | | PUKHA DAWG
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Amen
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09-20-2007, 12:10 PM
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#32 | | Firearm Zealot
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Dbl. Amen !!!
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09-20-2007, 12:53 PM
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#33 | | Firearm Aficionado
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I think they should have shot him...just a little.
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09-20-2007, 01:51 PM
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#34 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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The kid was a provocateur. He went up there deliberately to make a scene and get arrested, and would have kept going until it happened, period. He even had a girl videotaping it, to make d*** sure it was captured for posterity. He's a sorry little trouble-making scum bag, not a free-speech hero.
The cops were idiots for over-reacting and giving the kid exactly what he wanted. I think they need some training, but they're hardly proof of a burgeoning police state.
| OMG I can't believe I'm about to say this, but . . . . . . . . . . I agree with Troy. There, I said it. If anyone repeats this, I'll deny it.
Amen Ezearln!!!
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#35 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by Jay A. | Freedom of speech does not include being a rude jerk. | Now where is my BS flag.....
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09-20-2007, 02:28 PM
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#36 | | Firearm Zealot
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Can I have the cops handcuff and taser the punk that drives by my place with his stereo load enough to rattle my windows?
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09-20-2007, 02:49 PM
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#37 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Another case where the kid has a problem, pretty easy to see, he's being used by folks to make a political point. He's like a child who screams bloody murder when his father taps him on the butt...looking for attention. And, the kid gets attention from a bunch of radicals who'll stand and watch with their video cameras rolling and their webpages waiting. Reminds me of the kid who wanted to quit the Marines, claiming they never told him they killed people. He's a kid with a problem who's being used. This should have never reached the level of national media, and wouldn't if he acted up like this in a courtroom or a McDonald's. He should have had help long ago, but the parasites don't want the host destroyed.
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09-20-2007, 03:21 PM
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#38 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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I saw some off you posting he was just trying to do this to get his point to the for front but didnt he accomplish doing just that! He got the point acrossed that he wanted...And did you notice they cut the mike when he began questioning about Kerry's involvement with the Skull and Bones secret society...And for those of you who say the security gaurds are just doing there jobs and he shouldnt off been allowed to ask all those questions on the video tape Kerry made a clear attempt to answer the questions even when he was on the ground!
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09-20-2007, 04:09 PM
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#39 | | Banned
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Kerry told them to stop and let him continue and let him answer. These guards are a joke. I don't know about you, but the average college kid is not that hard to "calm" down. Should be really easy with what, 5-6 guys? Give me a break, the guy was on the ground when they tased him, with all the guards on him. It's funny how everyone says the kid had it coming, because he was trying to start something. Lets turn it around, say the Democratic president to be came out and said he wanted to take away our guns, would you cause a scene at his rally? Remember that when it happens and you get tased and remember you had it coming.
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09-20-2007, 04:15 PM
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#40 | | Firearm Zealot
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I wish cops still carried Black Jacks because these cops could of sure used them !
LMAO...A.H
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