[Pred]

No, these cops could use a career change.

[Idaho Dave]

I've seen worse then this on COPS. where was the outrage and uproar.

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

Lets turn it around, say the Democratic president to be came out and said he wanted to take away our guns, would you cause a scene at his rally? Remember that when it happens and you get tased and remember you had it coming.

I fail to see any comparison there at all. And for those who think that this young man’s diatribe was being censored due to its content I direct you to the bottle of Lithium in your medicine cabinet after ingesting a double dose, applying your tin foil hats, sit down and watch this http://www.southparkzone.com/episode-vid-1009.htm for you certainly are in that 25%.

[jashoffa]

First, the video isn't the highest quality in the world. Second, we can't see exactly what is going on with the kid before he got tased.

Now as a reserve police officer and police dispatcher I find it hard to beleave the officer tased him for no reason. He was told to comply or he would get tased. He was told over and over again if my memory serves me right. He was able to yell, "don't tase me Bro!" He knew it was coming yet he continued on untill he got tased. Story over.

When ever there is a question if an officer was in the wrong we should give te officer the benifit of the doubt. The officer have fractions of seconds to make decesions. Sometimes they may get it wrong and they may be taped and shown on national TV. In the end the majority of the time they acting in good faith. Give them a break they are doing a job most don't want to do and most don't get paid nearly enough.

[ArkansasHunter]

I've never watched that show before... and I stopped watching when Croc Dundy got hit in the tummy...I've got to go lay down a while after watching that.
What has this world come to....Good by

[Idaho Dave]

Quote:       Originally Posted by jashoffa

When ever there is a question if an officer was in the wrong we should give te officer the benifit of the doubt. The officer have fractions of seconds to make decesions.

OH but I dont agree with that at all

[Kale]

On the one side there are Freedoms, and on the other there are Rules. The responsibility of being a member of society is that you have to obey certain Rules to have the privilege of certain Freedoms. The best scenario is one in which there are few Rules, but the ones that are there are strongly enforced so that Rule-breakers don't impinge on the Freedom of others. The kid had a 2 minute time limit, which given the number of people who were there and probably wanted to ask questions, was fair. When he started rambling on he broke that Rule. When he resisted the cops trying to get him off the mic, he broke another Rule. I think for the sake of the Freedoms of all the other people in the place the cops were well within the responsibilities to society to drag the guy away with force proportional to his resistance. Whether their level of applied force was reasonable or not is a gray area, but the fact remains that the yahoo broke the rules.

[ezearln]

Pred I've reviewed all the video posted here, and I saw the news report videos as well. From experience I'd say the kid was never actually tazed, as most civilians understand that term. Nor did I hear in any of the 8-9 videos I have reviewed Kerry asking the Officers to release the young man and allow him to continue his line of questioning. What I did see was a self absorbed young man barge his way to the head of the line cutting off other young men and women patiently waiting their turns at the mic, while his cronies filmed the event. Obviously counting on a confrontation either between him and Kerry or with those charged with maintaining order, instead of simply complying with their commands he offered to resist and continued to resist while constantly making wild and unfounded accusations about how onlookers should remember him cause "I'll disappear", "They are gonna Kill me". This had less than nothing to do with "Freedom of Speech" and a great deal to do with a deluded young mans belief that what he had to say was far more important than anyones elses rights or desires, and that his rights transcended anyones elses who was present. Never once during any of the video I have reviewed did I see the young man comply with any of the officers. This young man was out looking for attention, he got it and made a scene worthy of any spoiled rotten three year old I have ever seen.

[Idaho Dave]

Ranting moron + taser = side splitting fun
here is a statement from an eye whitness to the events
So I went to the John Kerry town hall forum this morning trying to get students registered to vote. I run a student government organization called Chomp the Vote. Anyway I went inside to watch the event. Senator Kerry took the podium and began delivering a speech about the Middle East, Iraq, dimplomacy, etc. Anyway, after he was done, a university ambassador asked Kerry a few premade questions. Once that was over, Senator Kerry announced he would take questions from the students. There were two
microphones placed on each side of the aisle. One on my side and the other on Andrew Meyer’s side. Senator Kerry began answering the student’s questions from each aisle. Eventually it was announced that there would only be a few more questions answered. Since Meyer and I were both in the back of each line, it did not seem likely that our questions would be answered.
However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a student’s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should “spend time to answer everyone’s questions!” Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would “stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.” The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying “what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!” The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the
police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student’s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*).
Meyer approached the microphone and began to talk about a book he had which stated that Kerry won the 2004 election because of disenfranchisement of black voters and faulty voter machines that produced “Bush” as the winner. He then posed another question about why President Bush had not been impeached. “President Clinton was impeached because of a blowjob, why not Bush?”. The third and strangest question he posed to Senator Kerry was asking him if he was part of the skull and bones society with Bush at
Yale. Meyer’s mic cut off after that, probably because he had mentioned the word “blowjob”. The cops grabbed him, but Meyer was able to get away several times. Eventually more cops were brought in to help subdue Meyer. Meyer continued to resist arrest, scream, curse; however he was enventually subdued by about six cops up around the entrance. As he is on the ground, he is told several times to put his hands around his back. He is also warned that he will be tasered if he does not comply. Eventually he is tasered twice. The video does not show whether he complied or not.
Senator Kerry was trying to answer his question to the audience, mostly the one about faulty voter machines. I am a die hard conservative Republican but I do respect Senator Kerry for trying to soothe the situation as best he could and trying not to escalate the situation. He DID intervene by letting the student at least present his question. I never received an opportunity to ask my question, but when Senator Kerry ended the show after the Meyer incident, he did come off stage to shake hands and give autographs. At that point, I was able to ask him my question, shake his hand, and get a autograph at the same time. Now why couldn’t Andrew Meyer do that?
I don’t know if this is relevant or not, but Andrew Meyer is a former sports writer for the school newspaper The Alligator. In his columns, he has been known to make ridiculous statements in order to gain attention for himself. Was today a publicity stunt?
It can be found here Michelle Malkin » Student tasered at John Kerry forum Update: A University of Florida student/eyewitness shares what he saw; 12:15 pm Eastern 9/18 update: Another UF student speaks; Update: UF president schedules 2pm press conference…plus: Andr
Along with others and an intersting view of the situation
This incident has as much to do with freespeech (not garenteed in this type of forum) as guns do with violence. but screaming it sure draws attention

[ArkansasHunter]

Thanks I-D the thread should close now... Is that all right with you Pred ? LMAO

[Deersniper]

The guy was in cuffs already. All they had to do is back off him, to relieve the claustrophobia, and talk to him, letting him cool down. Tasering an unarmed citizen, while in cuffs is torture in my eyes, and if I ever see it unlawfully happening, I'm going to make sure the person doing it is going to pay. [By the way Kerry knew the vote had been electronically stolen, and did nothing but get paid off.] I now teach classes on how to defend against tasers, they only travel at 160 -180 fps, I'll block it and stick both of them in your eyes. Nazis with technology that's all that is. That ain't American. No mercy.

[ezearln]

I doubt that seriously...

[Jay A.]

The only mistake these cops made was that they should have picked the kid up and carried him out of the room.

[Dallas]

From what I saw on the tape was that one arm was not yet cuffed, he resisted and so he got tazed.

[ArkansasHunter]

I think the cops were to nice to the guy ! They should of took a few swipes with there extendable batons to the back of his legs and then tased him !!!! LOL

[snuffysmith]

Lordy, Lordy,
this is a lively post! I must be the only one who has not jumped in so here goes.
The student was there for a reason. He wanted to create a confrontation and get his mug on all the news. It worked!
Even as dumb as I am, I figgered out what he was up to in the first 30 secs. of the video.
The police fell right in with his plan and did just what he wanted them to do. How dumb was that?
They(the cops) should be retrained at the very least and the kid should be prosecuted for what he did(but he won't be).
I have to agree with that great american, Forest Gump. "Stupid is as stupid does")!

Snuffy

[Idaho Dave]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deersniper

The guy was in cuffs already. All they had to do is back off him, to relieve the claustrophobia, and talk to him, letting him cool down. Tasering an unarmed citizen, while in cuffs is torture in my eyes, and if I ever see it unlawfully happening, I'm going to make sure the person doing it is going to pay. [By the way Kerry knew the vote had been electronically stolen, and did nothing but get paid off.] I now teach classes on how to defend against tasers, they only travel at 160 -180 fps, I'll block it and stick both of them in your eyes. Nazis with technology that's all that is.

not in the videos I saw that is just nuts

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Casull

OMG I can't believe I'm about to say this, but . . . . . . . . . . I agree with Troy. There, I said it. If anyone repeats this, I'll deny it. Amen Ezearln!!!

Don't let it worry you, Casull; it isn't a permanent condition.

It's just the odds catching up to you. I've made almost 5,000 posts, and it was inevitable that sooner or later the odds would catch up and I'd say something you agreed with...

[Casull]

Quote:      

Don't let it worry you, Casull; it isn't a permanent condition. It's just the odds catching up to you. I've made almost 5,000 posts, and it was inevitable that sooner or later the odds would catch up and I'd say something you agreed with...

Troy, thank you for being gracious about it. Now, just don't tell anybody else.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Deersniper

The guy was in cuffs already. All they had to do is back off him, to relieve the claustrophobia, and talk to him, letting him cool down. Tasering an unarmed citizen, while in cuffs is torture in my eyes, and if I ever see it unlawfully happening, I'm going to make sure the person doing it is going to pay. [By the way Kerry knew the vote had been electronically stolen, and did nothing but get paid off.] I now teach classes on how to defend against tasers, they only travel at 160 -180 fps, I'll block it and stick both of them in your eyes. Nazis with technology that's all that is. That ain't American. No mercy.

He wasn't going to cool down as long as he had an audience, Deersniper. He deliberately set out to make a dramatic scene, probably so he could post the video on his web site. If you've kept up with the story, it was widely reported that he was perfectly calm and reasonable with the cops as soon as he was out of public view.

By the way, try listening to the audio with your eyes closed. If those aren't the phoniest, most contrived screams of pain and anguish I've ever heard, I'll eat the next tazer I see.

I happen to like free speech a whole lot. But one man's free speech isn't license to deliberately disrupt everyone else's free speech and communications. This guy wasn't just wearing an inappropriate tee-shirt; he was deliberately and rudely ruining a public event for the other participants.

[Rave]

All the above being said,at least he added a bit of excitement to an other wise boring crock of Kerry BS!