H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007

Pred · 10-26-2007, 10:15 AM

Don't lock this thread, don't even think about it. This is as serious as anything I've seen. Everyone read it, read it now, and pass it along.

House Passes Thought Crime Prevention Bill
GovTrack: H.R. 1955: Text of Legislation

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(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

Freedom of speech, whats that? It's gone...

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(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

Oh... my.... god...

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The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

troy2000 · 10-26-2007, 11:03 AM

Wait a minute. This may be a very bad bill; I haven't read it. But opposing "the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence," is hardly an assault on free speech. Last time I checked, it was already illegal to advocate the violent overthrow of the government or make terrorist threats, free speech or no free speech.

"...for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence..." See above.

That last paragraph is a simple statement of fact. The Internet has facilitated the growth of radicalism.

I'll have to read the bill, before I panic.

madcratebuilder · 10-26-2007, 11:05 AM

Wow! I guess I can't go out and beat the crap out people till they agree to help me blow things up, and try and overthrow the government.

SilverRun · 10-26-2007, 11:08 AM

Not sure if this is a bad thing or not. I need to look into it more before commenting. I found the text of the bill here http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:h1955eh.txt.

ArkansasHunter · 10-26-2007, 11:16 AM

OMG I believe I'll tone down some of my posts from now on. I don't need the feds busting down my door and scaring Herbert to death.
Now with that said. When you consider how many forums and members of forums that are on the internet, I wonder what the percentage is of being visited by the f.B.I or someone else over something you said or commented on.
I can actually understand the gummit do'en it, for said reason's but isn't this an invasion of a persons right to happyness and free speech and privacy ?
Doe's this mean our gummit has violated the constitution ? It sure has !!!
What do we do ?...A.H

Windwalker · 10-26-2007, 11:17 AM

My God, how could any legislator vote for a bill like this that is against our Constitutional Rights. We should all check and see how our Legislators voted. If they supported this bill plan on trying to vote them out of office next election. If we don't protect our freedoms no one will.

Pred · 10-26-2007, 11:22 AM

I think only something like 6 people voted against it. It said 404 voted for it.

ArkansasHunter · 10-26-2007, 12:13 PM

Thanks Pred for this information...A.H

mrbassantlers · 10-26-2007, 12:19 PM

Call your legislators and I'll bet dollars to donuts they don't even know what the bill is about. Or they will say "that"s not what we meant by that".

Brother Bob · 10-26-2007, 01:34 PM

Pred, calm down. If it's Unconstituitional, the High Court will throw it out. I don't believe American Patriots, falls in that category. Unless your rounding up some folks to take out a Senator, Congressman, or something like that, I don't believe you have anything to fear. If your my next door neighbor and you've been buying truck loads of Ammonium Nitrate, you can bet your sweet azz, I'm going to get concerned and call someone. Unusual behavior, such as 15 or 20 middle eastern looking men, carrying AK-47's down the middle of my street would probably peek my interest. I'd hope it would peek yours too! A group of foreigners burning an American flag and screaming "Death to America" would also get my attention. Trust me Pred, they would have picked you up a long time ago if they really considered you a threat to National Security. Getting on a forum and blowing off a little steam does not warrant a visit from the FBI or CIA! They are way too busy to worry about you and I. Trust me.

Rave · 10-26-2007, 08:52 PM

FEMA,Homeland Security,Patriot Acts,what would we do with out them,what did we do before we had them?

troy2000 · 10-26-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rave

FEMA,Homeland Security,Patriot Acts,what would we do with out them,what did we do before we had them?

I agree with you about Homeland Security and the Patriot Acts.

But if you want to know what we'd do without FEMA, go check out New Orleans; it may as well not have been there ("Brownie, you're doin' a heck of a job...whatever it is you've been doin'...").

troylaplante · 10-26-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob

If it's Unconstituitional, the High Court will throw it out.

I don't believe that for a minute. If it were the case, we would not have the majority of the laws we have now. Every entitlement program would cease to exist, Roe vs. Wade would go away, most grants and spending items would disappear.

cubbieman · 10-27-2007, 03:18 AM

that goes against the most very basic reasons of why we are even our own country, WTH were they thinking?

Midas · 10-27-2007, 03:45 AM

Pure insanity

Pred · 10-27-2007, 09:39 AM

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Oct 23, 2007: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The vote was held under a suspension of the rules to cut debate short and pass the bill, needing a two-thirds majority. The totals were 404 Ayes, 6 Nays, 22 Present/Not Voting.

Rep. Paul Broun

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Madam Speaker, homegrown terrorism is a very dangerous threat and must not be overlooked. The United States has an obligation and a solemn duty to guard against the violent radicalization of the American population, a radicalization that has far-reaching, devastating implications.

Rep Bennie Thompson

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This vital legislation will put our Nation on the path to addressing an emerging threat, homegrown terrorism.

I really hope some of you wake up, as it's already to late. Personally, I hope I am a rtard, and that I'm wrong. Because if I'm not....

Rave · 10-27-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

I agree with you about Homeland Security and the Patriot Acts.
But if you want to know what we'd do without FEMA, go check out New Orleans; it may as well not have been there ("Brownie, you're doin' a heck of a job...whatever it is you've been doin'...").

FEMA is a bottomless pit and it does nothing but concentrate on how to divert more money in to those deep and blood soaked pockets.
How about all those trailers in Arkensas,sunk in to the mud,rotten and compleatly uninhabitable according to the news.
Now there ane no FEMA trailers,only "FEMA approved" trailers.
Florida is a sea of blue roofs because FEMA is allowing certain folks to buy up the homes when the occupants become desperate enough to be easy pickings for pennies on the doller,according to a contracter I know.
It is a disgrace and a scandle,along with the whole dam corporate American sell out package.

A-10 · 10-27-2007, 11:01 AM

They're against "extremism" when in reality, this is extremism.

BattleRifleG3 · 10-27-2007, 11:50 AM

I noticed something ironic though:
"...to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

I think thsi would apply to a few government agencies, don't you think? The courts may have more than anyone bargained for in this one.

knightRider · 10-27-2007, 01:29 PM

i m digging trenches lol

10-26-2007, 11:05 AM	#3
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 2,395 Images: 3	Wow! I guess I can't go out and beat the crap out people till they agree to help me blow things up, and try and overthrow the government. __________________ Make peace with your past so it won't screw up the present.

10-26-2007, 12:19 PM	#9
mrbassantlers Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: north central Oklahoma Posts: 88	Call your legislators and I'll bet dollars to donuts they don't even know what the bill is about. Or they will say "that"s not what we meant by that". __________________ Never try to teach a pig to sing.... it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

10-26-2007, 08:52 PM	#11
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,433	FEMA,Homeland Security,Patriot Acts,what would we do with out them,what did we do before we had them? __________________ Better days are comeing! .

10-27-2007, 03:45 AM	#15
Midas Chief Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 3,568 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	Pure insanity __________________ The Second Amendment: America's Original Homeland Security. NRA Life Member

10-27-2007, 11:01 AM	#18
A-10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 815	They're against "extremism" when in reality, this is extremism. __________________ If there's nothing worth dying for, there's nothing worth living for.

10-26-2007, 11:03 AM	#2
troy2000 Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 14,554 Images: 9	Wait a minute. This may be a very bad bill; I haven't read it. But opposing "the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence," is hardly an assault on free speech. Last time I checked, it was already illegal to advocate the violent overthrow of the government or make terrorist threats, free speech or no free speech. "...for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence..." See above. That last paragraph is a simple statement of fact. The Internet has facilitated the growth of radicalism. I'll have to read the bill, before I panic.

10-26-2007, 11:08 AM	#4
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,685	Not sure if this is a bad thing or not. I need to look into it more before commenting. I found the text of the bill here http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:h1955eh.txt.

10-26-2007, 11:16 AM	#5
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 17,196	OMG I believe I'll tone down some of my posts from now on. I don't need the feds busting down my door and scaring Herbert to death. Now with that said. When you consider how many forums and members of forums that are on the internet, I wonder what the percentage is of being visited by the f.B.I or someone else over something you said or commented on. I can actually understand the gummit do'en it, for said reason's but isn't this an invasion of a persons right to happyness and free speech and privacy ? Doe's this mean our gummit has violated the constitution ? It sure has !!! What do we do ?...A.H

10-26-2007, 11:17 AM	#6
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 6,092	My God, how could any legislator vote for a bill like this that is against our Constitutional Rights. We should all check and see how our Legislators voted. If they supported this bill plan on trying to vote them out of office next election. If we don't protect our freedoms no one will.

10-26-2007, 11:22 AM	#7
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,866 Blog Entries: 3	I think only something like 6 people voted against it. It said 404 voted for it.

10-26-2007, 12:13 PM	#8
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 17,196	Thanks Pred for this information...A.H

10-26-2007, 01:34 PM	#10
Brother Bob Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 5,651 Blog Entries: 3	Pred, calm down. If it's Unconstituitional, the High Court will throw it out. I don't believe American Patriots, falls in that category. Unless your rounding up some folks to take out a Senator, Congressman, or something like that, I don't believe you have anything to fear. If your my next door neighbor and you've been buying truck loads of Ammonium Nitrate, you can bet your sweet azz, I'm going to get concerned and call someone. Unusual behavior, such as 15 or 20 middle eastern looking men, carrying AK-47's down the middle of my street would probably peek my interest. I'd hope it would peek yours too! A group of foreigners burning an American flag and screaming "Death to America" would also get my attention. Trust me Pred, they would have picked you up a long time ago if they really considered you a threat to National Security. Getting on a forum and blowing off a little steam does not warrant a visit from the FBI or CIA! They are way too busy to worry about you and I. Trust me.

10-27-2007, 03:18 AM	#14
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,558	that goes against the most very basic reasons of why we are even our own country, WTH were they thinking?

10-27-2007, 11:50 AM	#19
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	I noticed something ironic though: "...to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." I think thsi would apply to a few government agencies, don't you think? The courts may have more than anyone bargained for in this one. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-27-2007, 01:29 PM	#20
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 3,777 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 17	i m digging trenches lol __________________ God doesn't give rights. Men have to fight for them.