I hate it when people are either totaly ignorante or just plain lie to make a story sound better. I do believe that cop have a right to carry an AR if they so choose.
This article makes it sound like full autos are on every street corner selling for $100.
Oh and per this article, did you know that AK's were designed to be shot from the hip.
It just makes me mad.
I hate it when people are either totaly ignorante or just plain lie to make a story sound better. I do believe that cop have a right to carry an AR if they so choose.
This article makes it sound like full autos are on every street corner selling for $100.
Oh and per this article, did you know that AK's were designed to be shot from the hip.
It just makes me mad. Cops find themselves in arms race with criminals - CNN.com
Yeah I read that last night, both made me mad, and made me laugh. The whole problem with gun control is the fact that gun control bills ONLY effect law abiding gun owners. The criminals, the gangs, they still get the guns regardless. It's just the rest of the population can no longer match them firepower wise. You take a group of people(I don't own guns btw) who have a few AR's, maybe a G3/M1A, and a few Glocks/Sigs/HK, you get the point, they can lay down a crap load of fire in a hurry, accurate fire at that. Ok, so maybe that didn't exactly help my argument, but still. People like myself, and probably everyone on this forum, we are not the group the "cops" need to worry about. However I will say this, any group that comes and tries to take my... not my, my friends guns, would probably be met with well, then they would be the group to worry about. Thats what it's coming to. I look for another assault weapon ban to start, along with the importation of weapons and ammo. If Hillary is in office, it won't have a sunset date. Then look for something to ban certain weapons all together. AR's, AK's to start, at some point our government WILL come for our guns. A nation thats capable of defending itself from it's own military/government is the scariest thing to a politician.
Personaly I believe all Leo's other than there side arm should get to carry what ever they would feel safe and comfortable with such as an AR-15 and the like.
Example....
My son's a cop and he's been called to go to Preds to get his guns because a law was passed to turn them in and Pred or his friend didn't.
My son and the cops here do not have a problem with legal gun ownership, matter of fact when someones is pulled over for a traffic violation and the villater states they have a gun in there car, the cops ask where it is and most of the time because the traffic vilater was straight forward about it the cop will tell them to leave it there.
Back to Pred or his friend I would want my son to be able to quickly take him out if he was so stupid to draw down on a Police officer doing his job and believe me if it came to that a lot of cops would resign if a law was passed to turn in your guns .
I'm not going to commit murder, but I'm not going to turn in all my guns either I will test the system by hideing a few.
Whats there to gain with haveing a fire fight ? you'll be the one who loose's.
Now keep in mind folks I'm speaking on behalf of being a parent of a cop. I would like to see my son being able to carry his AR-15 on the job but it's not allowed here.
Being a christian I will obey the law, but I want like it and would find a legal means to repeal it.
I also believe the outcry would be heard around the world if our goverment tried to pass a law to take our firearms.
Gun sells are running off the chart today and new gun owners are added to the already millions of gun owners everyday.
Theres always strength in numbers and because of it we can fight back legally.
Blame the leftie media on the leftie colleges. Across the country, Universities which focus on journalism are overtly and sickeningly leftists. Want to fix it? Don't send your child to a leftie college for any education.
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A lot of the problems is the Punks, Gang Members on the streets are probably not criminals yet and can buy a gun(s) legally and then they become criminals.
I saw the same on their news channel. Made me made as well. The officers they talked to didn't help things either. I hope what they said was taken out of context but for some of the comments that was not the case. I hope that just as many if not more officers offered the other few but CNN most likely ommited that.
I tell you what they call it a news story because most of the time that is just what it is a story based on some sort of acctual event, it doesn't make them true stories, just news stories!
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Hmm, well, I honestly don't know how I feel about your post AH. First off, let me clear one thing up right now, guns, what are those? Anyways, if our government were to ever outlaw firearms, or specific firearms, and if I owned one, I would not turn it in. I along with most every person on the forum would immediately become domestic/homegrown terrorists. This country would probably be in some sort of civil war. I would then turn whatever I'm living in into my own little fort. If it came to this, sadly AH, I wouldn't give your son the chance to get out of the car. You know what I mean, so don't take it personally. Because if this happened, as I said, I would be a domestic terrorist, and anyone who was for this law and supported it, would in my eyes, be a traitor to this country and our Constitution. I on the other hand would kill to protect my rights. It's not murder, because if it was, our troops in Iraq right now would be nothing more then murders. So, if you want to call them murders, then I'll go along to. My family has been here since the beginning of this country, and I do mean the beginning. I've traced my roots back to an original passenger on the Mayflower. We've fought in EVERY war this country has taken part in, including on our soil. I had a family member on the Lewis and Clark expedition, and with Daniel Boone. I know what our rights mean, and I would die to protect them, as many in my family has done over the years. And remember AH, right and wrong is nothing more then a point of view.
I too, have seen the history of my family and we go back to the English coming over during the Revolutionary war. My grandma has a family photo album with photos from the Civil War of our family members back then in their Union Uniforms.
I won't go silently into the night should they strip all the freedoms and rights families and men have fought to keep throughout the history of this country.
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Blame the leftie media on the leftie colleges. Across the country, Universities which focus on journalism are overtly and sickeningly leftists. Want to fix it? Don't send your child to a leftie college for any education.
Yep. Heaven knows we don't want to pollute our children's mind with an education...
As a parent, I'd say it's our job to have basic values and beliefs in place before our children get old enough to go to college, and teach them to exame what they hear with an open but critical mind. If we haven't managed that by the time they're eighteen, we've lost them anyway.
No leftist professor is going to "turn" a young man or woman with good thinking habits and an understanding of the world around them.
Just because this thread made me look, the family member who came over on the Mayflower was always getting into trouble with the law... LOL, hmm, interesting. It also says he was involved in a duel, which would become the Colony's first (and only) duel.. cool. And then the member of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, is a permanent member of the Corps of Discovery. He was a blacksmith, gunsmith, a skilled carpenter and a general mechanic. Lewis would say of him "Nothing was more peculiarly useful to us, in various situations, than the skill and ingenuity of this man as an artist, in repairing our guns, accoutrements, &c." Lewis recommended that he be given a bonus for his services. After that, he did some fur trapping with Daniel Boone, whom he was related to.
Peer Pressure is more effective than ANY parental guidance, in any and every case. You were young once, you should know that...
If you want to send your "good, clean, taught-by-conservative-dad" child to a liberal college, which is inundated by thousands of other kids who did not grow up being taught those values as well as supporting the teaching methods of that liberal college, then so beit. However, there are plenty of conservative colleges. But our country is overwhelmed with liberal colleges being in the majority, and therefore the majority of our children end up being part of this increasingly lefty media and society.
I am not a Christian, but if I had children, I would probably send them to a conservative Christian college, just because of thse facts.
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Peer Pressure is more effective than ANY parental guidance, in any and every case. You were young once, you should know that...
If you want to send your "good, clean, taught-by-conservative-dad" child to a liberal college, which is inundated by thousands of other kids who did not grow up being taught those values as well as supporting the teaching methods of that liberal college, then so beit. However, there are plenty of conservative colleges. But our country is overwhelmed with liberal colleges being in the majority, and therefore the majority of our children end up being part of this increasingly lefty media and society.
I am not a Christian, but if I had children, I would probably send them to a conservative Christian college, just because of thse facts.
I disagree that "peer pressure" is the be-all, end-all of what shapes people in the end, although it can temporarily affect their behavior of the moment.
What their parents shape them into as children is more important in the long run than what their friends are doing when they hit young adulthood.
"As the twig is bent, so the tree's inclined..."
Of course, if you raise fools they'll get fooled. If you teach children to blindly, dogmatically believe whatever you tell them instead of thinking for themselves, you run the risk that someone else can replace your blind dogma with his blind dogma, since they have no practice in using good judgment and critical thinking.
Whatever your convictions, the fact remains that sending a child to one of these institutions and paying them 10's of 1000's of $$'s would be supporting and patronizing their method of education, a.k.a. Lefty, Loony indoctrination. It's kind of like hiring an illegal alien but then complaining about the problem of illigal immigration.
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Hmm, well, I honestly don't know how I feel about your post AH. First off, let me clear one thing up right now, guns, what are those? Anyways, if our government were to ever outlaw firearms, or specific firearms, and if I owned one, I would not turn it in. I along with most every person on the forum would immediately become domestic/homegrown terrorists. This country would probably be in some sort of civil war. I would then turn whatever I'm living in into my own little fort. If it came to this, sadly AH, I wouldn't give your son the chance to get out of the car. You know what I mean, so don't take it personally. Because if this happened, as I said, I would be a domestic terrorist, and anyone who was for this law and supported it, would in my eyes, be a traitor to this country and our Constitution. I on the other hand would kill to protect my rights. It's not murder, because if it was, our troops in Iraq right now would be nothing more then murders. So, if you want to call them murders, then I'll go along to. My family has been here since the beginning of this country, and I do mean the beginning. I've traced my roots back to an original passenger on the Mayflower. We've fought in EVERY war this country has taken part in, including on our soil. I had a family member on the Lewis and Clark expedition, and with Daniel Boone. I know what our rights mean, and I would die to protect them, as many in my family has done over the years. And remember AH, right and wrong is nothing more then a point of view.
Well,Pred,I gotta agree with you.If our president made an edict,that was against the constitutional law it would be illegal,and any one that would put their job above the law,constitutional law that is,(we already know our president has called the constutution a dam piece of paper),well that person would have to kill citizens illegally and would have to suffer the consiquences of his illegal act.That"LEO" would be a coward and a traitor.
We saw it happen in New Orleans after Katrina. Police went & rounded up privately owned guns from law-abiding citizens. No DOUBT in my mind our Govt. would enact such a law or action. Perhaps not ALL police officers would follow through with these orders, but there would be a great amount who would.
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I'm going to have to go look it up, but I've heard there is a new Martial Law of 2007 act(not exact name, but you get the point) somewhere in the House/Senate.
We saw it happen in New Orleans after Katrina. Police went & rounded up privately owned guns from law-abiding citizens. No DOUBT in my mind our Govt. would enact such a law or action. Perhaps not ALL police officers would follow through with these orders, but there would be a great amount who would.
Umm...that was the current, conservative Administration that was okay with that.
Kinda shoots holes in your "loony left" notions, doesn't it?
Stop making this this a partisan issue. It's not. You'll only alienate your allies on the left, and you have them. You're looking at one - so to speak.
I'll tell you, there are nanny-staters on the left who want to take our guns, and fascists on the right. You think they won't ally when convenient?
And the educational system has a lot bigger problems than some nutballs on the far left side of Marx. No one really takes them seriously anyway. Not students who have real, educated views coming in. Only the weak and malleable are subject to indoctrination.
You can't brainwash people who think. Blame The Media, at large, left and right for part of that little problem. Fox News is just as bad with fluff-pieces and lies as Air America is.
Suspect all information is biased, find a consensus through investigation, do your homework, and support government figures who seem to actually have some genuine concern for this country.
I genuinely believe a blanket seizure of weapons would lead to open insurgency in this country, and a lot of hard-core conservatives would get in on it, and so would a lot of liberals who genuinely believe in freedom. You'd be surprised.
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