11-08-2007, 11:36 AM
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|  Terrorist watch list. According to the media there are over 750,000 names on this list and it is growing. Congress wants to find a way to remove a name from this list after it has been determined that it was put on there by mistake.
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11-08-2007, 12:02 PM
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| Why erase it?Just wait until it is true.Nobody stands for anything anymore anyway. sam. |
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11-08-2007, 01:49 PM
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| "Terrorist watchlist" ?? Don't you mean: "Those who oppose our socialist and communist future list" ?? Wouldn't common sense tell you that if this list were true to it's definition that a person on the list could be prosecuted with charges of criminal conspiracy? Do we forget prior to WWII when the Nazi Regime began compiling lists of Jews, gays, blacks and their supporters later deeming them all "Enemies of the state of Germany and the Nazi Party" ??? And, we all know what happened then...a little thing called "The Holocaust" right? Be very VERY careful here folks.
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11-08-2007, 01:57 PM
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| It's a shame when we cannot trust our government or our news media. |
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11-08-2007, 04:57 PM
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| Super Moderator   | I forget the exact #s of the US population, but isn't it a few hundred million? Less than 1% may not seem like a huge number, but to have 0.X % of the whole American population on a terrorism watchlist is pretty serious.
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11-08-2007, 06:24 PM
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Relax, Ivan. This isn't Nazi Germany, no matter how much people like to run around screaming it is. They are neither that organized nor that competent, and they aren't collecting a list of people they plan to kill. People wind up on that list almost at random, for the most inane reasons. But what is scary is that this is the same list of "suspected terrorists" the administration wants to bar from buying firearms. If your name is Elmo Jones, and there's an Elmo Jones on the list (or Elmer Jones, Or Elroy Jones, or any name the slightest bit like yours), you'll be screwed when you go to buy a gun, just like you are now when you try to step on an airplane.
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11-08-2007, 07:39 PM
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| Hitler was sorely misjudged before his rise to power as well...I'm not saying it IS this way, but I am NOT going to accept that it ISN'T either. fact is, no one knows, and as I said: "Be very wary." And, your final paragraph about not being able to buy a gun, wasn't it Hitler who said: "The first thing you have to do is disarm the people. A disarmed public can't fight back." -- Adolf Hitler There is another good one about disarming public that was a quote from Hitler, I can't recall it, at the moment anywho. A bit off topic, but another one he is famous for: "The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed." - Adolf Hitler It seems our politicians and our govt. adopt this rule more and more by the day.
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11-08-2007, 09:11 PM
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| I've noticed something odd that happens in my own mind whenever I see something like this. Joe McCarthy materializes in my mind with his list of card carrying commies. This disturbs me because I'm not even trying to be snarky or witty. This really does happen to me.
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11-08-2007, 09:24 PM
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| I think there should be a terrorist list but a lot of people are having problems because they happen to have the same name as a terrorist. If the terrorist is in his twenties and the person stopped at the airport is ten years old or maybe a senior citizen, chance are the security people could make a local decision to let them proceed on their way. Yes, a list is good but there has to be more backup on age, race, color of eyes, whatever. |
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11-09-2007, 07:54 AM
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| Yeah tell that to someone that for no reason other than my last name, is on that list. I have a last name that is has its modern Islimic back ground (even though it is German). So everytime I go to the airport, I normally have to show up about 4-6 hours early because I know I will have to go through the run around before I get on a plane. But the funny thing was I was approved when I purchased my first gun in less than 5 minutes. I do agree the list is a good thing, but really how many of these people are actually going to use there real name if they are going to get on a plane to do anything bad? |
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11-09-2007, 09:17 AM
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11-11-2007, 08:15 AM
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11-11-2007, 07:34 PM
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11-12-2007, 07:43 AM
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 That's classified boy! Need to know only. And, you don't need to know.
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11-13-2007, 05:57 PM
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| This smacks to me a bit akin to the aledged "Racial Profiling" we all were hearing about not long ago in regards to airline "Random" screenings a few years back. During that time the missus and I were traveling by air to visit my parents in California and while we made our way thru the mess we used to call air travel I was screened no less than 4 different times (we only changed planes once in Sky Harbor Pheonix)while my missus was only screened once! In disgust over the last pulled out of line and searched incident I remarked to the TSA official that my singularly strong middle eastern appearence must have raised a warning flag to cause such diligence! I am 6' tall deep blue eyes with strongly defined northern european features and deeply tanned by the south Texas sun! The TSA gent didn't see the merit in my sarcasm, what a humorless fellow he was indeed!
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11-13-2007, 06:17 PM
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| Pred I have first hand information that you are on the list...I have a lot of cuzzins here in Arkansas and some of them work withen Homeland security at Air Ports. I called my cuzzin Willie Dederman and I ask him if they had any alais names and he said yep and then I ask if he had mine and he said nope, but when I asked if he had a Pred and CHIT-DANG !!!! They did !!!! and a Crazy Ivan too !!!! ...A.H |
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11-13-2007, 06:29 PM
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| Resident Armed Liberal | Kind of reminds me of the gang membership lists the LAPD compiles. They not only list known gang members; they list people with "gang affiliations." That happens to include not only the friends of suspected gang members, but their relatives and neighbors. The lists keep getting bigger and bigger. For example, if a cop checks out a bunch of teenagers in the park and one is a suspected gang member, all the others go on the list also. Some activists were trying to slow them down last I heard; at the rate they were going the lists were on their way to being bigger than the population of the city. I understand fighting gangsterism and terrorism, but there's no point getting blindly hung up on compiling lists...it's a busywork substitute for constructive action a lot of the time, just like forming exploratory committees and study groups.
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11-13-2007, 09:26 PM
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