I'm buying a mossberg 500 tactical cruiser... and I'm wondering what the effective killing range is for 00 buck and just for kicks...the slug round aswell.
I tried to find this info on google....but could'nt find anything. thanks.
I shot my Mossberg turkey shotgun 24'' barrel yesterday with the Modified chock in it. # 1 buckshot 3" mags
I was 20 to 25 yards from a rotted old oak tree that had to be 44 inches wide.
Man it did some damage, Big Time !!!
Your shotgun will have the 18.5 inch barrel and with DBL.O you might do as well at 20 yards...But it will kill a human past that...A.H
Negligent homicide. Instead of worrying about how far you could kill someone you should practice at ranges where shootings happen in real life. Like 7-10 yards.
With that said my personal shotgun with Hornady TAP 00 buckshot is good to 25 yards and slugs will hit a human sized chest area at 100 yards with Winchester slugs, but I might have some legal troubles if I did that...............
Let me get this straight.... I should practice shooting my 12 gauge at 7-10 yards ?
lol... that's funny.
I have no idea what range I could be shooting....
Negligent homicide is shooting at someone or something at 10 yards.... and also killing the innocent guy 80 yards away because I don't know what the effective killing range is.
Does anyone actually know the answer to my question ?
Jesus.... I could throw a rock and kill someone at 20 yards !
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MILSHOTGUN
1. Offensive Weapon
As an offensive weapon the shotgun should be employed as a full stocked weapon employing 00# buckshot rounds, supported by a M-9 pistol. In this role commanders must account for the limited effective range of the shotgun. Employing the current 00# buckshot loads 25-35 meters is the soldier's realistic effective range. Employed without a stock this range is effectively reduced to 10 meters. In the future munitions such as the Action FRAG-12 or a type classified slug round combined with an improved sighting systems, such as the LPA BAR11 Ghost Ring Sights should be expected to increase this range to 100 meters.
back in the hunting days we could drop a deer at 100 yrds with a 12 gauge slug.
the reason they are saying homicide is if someone is 100 yrds or more from you how can you say your life was in danger? most shotgun defenses are done at close ranges like under 25 yards. if you go and shoot anyone with any kinda gun out past 30 yards and kill them or even shoot at them you better have a really good exscuse or they better be shooting at you and you couldn't run away.
but you never know what the future holds. Times could get real bad, and find yourself in a combat situation. Like Katrina..or worse. where society breaks down...criminals are looting, killing, raping and firing on rescue teams...
I am not going to use accurate math and get an absolute on buckshot,just round figures. The way buckshot works is if you have 1000lbs ke at the muzzle and the buckshot spreads and you have 10 balls, each one is devided into the total kenetic energy.So 10 into 1000 is 100.Each ball has 100lbs ke.so at 100yds the ke is down to 400lbs.You devide and each ball has 40lbs.if two balls hit an animal at 100yds with 40lbs apiece you have delivered 80lbs ke or about the same as one .22lr would have.At 25yds they are still close to the 100lbs ke or shall we say 90lbs.If you strike the target with 9 out of 10 balls having 90lbs apiece you delivered 810 lbs wallop.at 50 yds if you hit with 5 balls and they are down to 600lbs total devided by 10 gives you 60 for each ball and 5 would give you 300lbs ke delivered.These are not the actual figures,just an attempt to explain how it works.A 1oz slug leaving the barrel at somewhere around 1200fps has over 1100lbs ke but at 100yds it is down to about 450lbs ke.This will possibly kill a deer but is very marginal.Sabots are turning much more fps and the bullet is a much smaller diameter so they sustain fps and ke much better for longer ranges.My sugestion,if under 25yds buckshot is great,50 to 75yds,foster type slugs work,beyond 75yds to about 150yds sabots are good.I wouldnt advise using a shotgun beyond 150yds. sam.
I just got back from Iraq and we did carry shotguns, but they were for breaching. When we have so few of us fighting alot of them we couldn't waste a soldier by limiting him to a shotgun. We needed everyone to be able to do our job from contact to 300+ yards sometimes.
I did not live on a FOB my whole time over there. We lived in the city. We only came back to refit.
Borris,
Glad you got back ok. Yeah the weapons thing pretty much falls on commanders disgresion. Tough duty in town. I normally get to hang out on one of the air patches. My next rotation is most likely going to involve a separation from my flying unit riding around with folks supporting the Army.I just have a 4T issue to resolve first.
Just hard to imagine Buckshot being effective only out to 25 yards....
Who here has ever gotten a shot on a buck within 25 yards ?
surely those shot balls are deadly at 50 yards or more.... even if the pattern breaks down...right ?
I have shot several deer at less than 25 yards, but never with a shotgun (yet, any way. now you got me wanting to try it.) I have shot them with a bow and a .357 mag blackhawk.
A friend and I skipped school many years a go and went out with our shot guns to do some shooting.
We had dbl.0 buck shot #1's 6 shot and slugs to waste.
We went to a secluded sewer pond that I'd guess was 200 yards or more long.
We got on one end and blasted away at what looked like mounds of turds floating on the water...LMAO right now !!
Oh crap thats funny to me !!! Anyway when we shot the buck shot only a very few balls went a long way most of the balls feel off at different distances.
So I would suspect buck shot to be unpredictable in flight some falls off pretty quick and some goes a long ways.
I guess now I'll be called the turd buster...A.H
Who here has ever gotten a shot on a buck within 25 yards ?
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Originally Posted by samuel
...A 1oz slug leaving the barrel at somewhere around 1200fps has over 1100lbs ke but at 100yds it is down to about 450lbs ke.This will possibly kill a deer but is very marginal...I wouldnt advise using a shotgun beyond 150yds. sam.
FWIW, I took my first deer with my Mossburg 500 at ~100 yards. A pass-through, both shoulders, dead with a smooth-bore 24" bbl. Using Winchester Super-X 2-3/4", 1 oz. Foster slug, approx. 1600 fps -- with which I can consistently punch holes in a std. (9") paper plate at 100 yards.
Note: most of the deer I've taken have been <b>within</b> 40 yards. And I agree with not using a shotgun beyond about 150 yards but even then, I use open sights...
Your milage may vary,
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George...
Buckshot should be considered useful at 20 yards or less. Remember, it is spreading and losing effectiveness.
Your gun is just not designed for accurate slug shooting. Your hit probability is not high due to lack of proper sights, less stable firing position, and a smooth bore.
You should really practice at very close ranges of less than ten yards.
A friend and I skipped school many years a go and went out with our shot guns to do some shooting.
We had dbl.0 buck shot #1's 6 shot and slugs to waste.
We went to a secluded sewer pond that I'd guess was 200 yards or more long.
We got on one end and blasted away at what looked like mounds of turds floating on the water...LMAO right now !!
Oh crap thats funny to me !!! Anyway when we shot the buck shot only a very few balls went a long way most of the balls feel off at different distances.
So I would suspect buck shot to be unpredictable in flight some falls off pretty quick and some goes a long ways.
I guess now I'll be called the turd buster...A.H
The reason for buckshot to vary and some balls go further is when they go thtough a choke some are distorted and become less aerodynamic and this causes more atmospheric drag on them so they slow down faster.Also it causes them to fly eratically and in this case hit the sh** sooner. sam.
Let me get this straight.... I should practice shooting my 12 gauge at 7-10 yards ?
lol... that's funny.
I have no idea what range I could be shooting....
Negligent homicide is shooting at someone or something at 10 yards.... and also killing the innocent guy 80 yards away because I don't know what the effective killing range is.
Does anyone actually know the answer to my question ?
Jesus.... I could throw a rock and kill someone at 20 yards !
Ok...here goes.
Yes, you should practice shooting your 12 gauge at less than ten yards. Firstly, the cruiser is a pistol gripped weapon, which takes getting used to if you want to be accurate (espececially in a tense midnight defensive situation). Second, the majority of DEFENSIVE engagements occur at a range of much less than ten yards. If you are engaging targets defensively at greater than ten yards, they had better be shooting. If you engage a target at that range and they aren't shooting at you...it is murder. Even if they have a knife, at 30+ feet, they are not an immediate life threat. Also, if you don't live in a VERY large home, where the hell are you going to defensively engage a target at more than ten yards? Assuming you aren't carrying the cruiser on your person (trenchcoat anyone?), the only place you would be using a shotgun for defense would probably be at home. IMHO, it sounds like you need to rethink your priorities and do a lot more homework before you even put a shell into that gun.
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