[billy]

i know it does very well @ 100 but i need to get it out to 300-500 yds. and put it through it's paces.
p.s. very well is

[toolman]

Nice Billy! For your next scope, take a look at Swift Optics. I almost bought one of their handgun scopes to mount on my M-44 but I found my Tasco 2x22 right across the street instead of having to drive 40 mi. for the Swift. My buddy bought one, then sold his Leupold VX-111 and used the $$$ to buy three more Swifts for his other rifles. Let us know how that Mueller holds up!

[billy]

i am going to need the burris signature high rings for this.
too bad ,i just bought this set .
these are the greatest rings i have ever seen.
i am never going to buy any other type.

[ArkansasHunter]

billy good shoot'in cuz My new Ruger 308 3 shot groups look just like the one you have circled.
It sure is pleasurable haveing a very accurate rifle.
A.H

[LiveToShoot]

I believe that 308s are inherently accurate, as mentioned in the article I posted earlier from Handloader magazine, "Does Inherent Accuracy Exist". Each time I read a review from a 308 shooter they have similar feedback to how their rifle performs. Their shooting experience seems naturally better/easier to achieve that good of accuracy at long ranges...bullet hole touching bullet hole accuracy. Now, I'm not bias on the 308. There's other caliber I've very fond of too. But, there's something unique about the 308.

[rckymtnboy]

Billy, since you posted this thread, I've been looking into Mueller. Just picked up a Remington SPS Varmint in .204 Ruger that I'm going to put one on to try it out. I found an ebay store that is selling them for $20-$40 less than Mueller PLUS free shipping. For the illuminated scopes they also give you 5 free batteries. This is where I ordered mine from, thought you might want to check it out. The name of the seller is "oneclickshooting". They have a rating of 15,870 with a 99.8% positive feedback. Not too shabby.

Mueller Scope 4-16X50 Tactical MilDot FREE 5 Batteries - (eBay item 150188547929 end time Dec-04-07 06:37:59 PST)

[billy]

ive got mine on my savage now .
8.5x25x50mm eradicator.
this friday i will order the choate ultimate varmint stock for it and then this project will be done.
except for load developement and general fooling with it.


if all goes according to plan i will have a very nice rifle/scope package for under $1000

[SilverRun]

I got my Mueller from Grafs.com. Nice people.

[rckymtnboy]

Sounds like a fun project. I'll have to start developing some loads for my SPS as well. The rifle came with a carbon steel heavy barrel, three swivel studs (one for a bipod), a trigger that breaks like glass with absolute zero creep, and a pretty hot looking ventilated stock design. A whole lot of gun for the $$$. Here it is:

Can't wait to get that Mueller on it and punch some holes.

[billy]

i forgot about bipod+rings+bases.
total$1070

[rckymtnboy]

Billy, have you noticed any drawbacks using a 50mm scope (since it has to be mounted further from the barrel with taller bases)? I would think it has a smaller area of zero, where the trajectory of the bullet meets the steeper sight line of the scope.

I was checking out the Leupold's since they have the scopes with the concave area in the bottom of the front lens so you can set it closer to the barrel...but they are well out of my price range. Would be nice to see some other manufacturers like Mueller give it a go if it does make that big of a difference.

[billy]

i havent fired this rifle and scope combo yet.
i am waiting for the new stock.

[billy]

update
yesterday at the range there were some law enforcement guys there who have REALLY nice guns .
a couple of them asked to look through that mueller and couldnt get over the clarity.
i compared my scope with 5 other top of the line scopes side by side and couldnt see any difference.
they couldnt either!
i think mueller got some new customers.
i didnt write down what scopes those cops were using so i dont know what they were.

[mossbergman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

i should have bought it from these guys. Mizzou Mule Guns free shipping and a free sunshade. oh well live and learn

Your right you should have , and rumors on the internet .Don't believe everything you read.. I have two APVs and they are great scopes for the money...and i don't work for nobody.--JMJ-- but me.

Quote:       Originally Posted by rckymtnboy

Billy, have you noticed any drawbacks using a 50mm scope (since it has to be mounted further from the barrel with taller bases)? I would think it has a smaller area of zero, where the trajectory of the bullet meets the steeper sight line of the scope. I was checking out the Leupold's since they have the scopes with the concave area in the bottom of the front lens so you can set it closer to the barrel...but they are well out of my price range. Would be nice to see some other manufacturers like Mueller give it a go if it does make that big of a difference.

i'm not Billy but to answer your question for BR shooting it won't matter your shooting one range ,for hunting you want your scope as close to the bore as you can. I won't mt anything bigger than a 40 -42 on my guns, here's my Mossberg 340 /17HM2 with a muller APV ( you won't see another like that one) and my 452 CZ 17HM2 with an old Bushnell Scopechief 8X Both are good shooters.. the Mossberg was my first Mach2 my thrid in going into the mail tomorrow--JMJ--

[Hotled]

I have been very happy with mine so far.

[EviL]

how is it with the red dot? i think im going to order that scope for my cz550 .308, but i dunno if i should get the sport dot or regular crosshair? the red dot is really intriguing to me for some reason.

[Hotled]

Quote:       Originally Posted by EviL

how is it with the red dot? i think im going to order that scope for my cz550 .308, but i dunno if i should get the sport dot or regular crosshair? the red dot is really intriguing to me for some reason.

The red dot is very handy in low light or contrast issues. Here is a pic I took a while ago focusing on the crosshairs so it doesnt do the scope clarity any justice at all. This was also done at 14 x on the telephone pole about 80 yards away or so.