12-01-2007, 06:59 AM
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| The U.S. on the border
Just got done watching the Glen Beck show on CNN and realise this country is lost.The show was about whats happening on the border and how the government trained the Zetas,a bunch of Mexicans to fight drugs and now they are against us and killing American citizens and openly stopping law enforcement in the U.S. from stoping drugs from crossing the border.I wish everyone had seen it and wish I could post what is happening.One thing was a sheriff was informed that he was just a lowly county sherrif in Texas and there was a big difference in a big congressman and a lowly county sheriff.It made me think about the attitude of our elected officials and the fact that in the next election we are going to seal our own doom.We will go and vote and it makes absolutely no difference whether we vote liberal or conservative,we will be voting the same corupt people right back into office that have already sold out to big money.And if we dont vote it will make no difference because the masses of poor and elderly will win anyway because there are far more people with their hand out wanting big gov.to take care of them so they dont have to support themselves.Welfare and social security/medicare.The traps we are in to insure big government can control us.We as law abiding citizens could stop this but we wont because altho we post great statements about how brave we are and what all we will do the truth is we are the most gutless of all.We sit back waiting for something good and watch our nation go down the drain.We worry about gun rights and help put the same people back in office that are going to take those rights away after the next election.We are gutless because we have rge power to rebel against what is happening on the border and elsewhere and we are too chicken or comfortable to do anything.The next election will see big industry,big government and big drugs,take away our rights.After the next election our guns will be gone,the borders will be wide open and big industry will have their cheap labor and the politicians will have the votes from the poor and needy to control all of us.I am sick.We cant do a thing about it and when they take our guns we will be able to do even less. sam.
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12-01-2007, 07:14 AM
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Well. That certainly brightened my morning, sam. We all know the world's going to **** in a handbasket, but the country has survived a lot in the past; it may get past this too. How're you yourself doing, sam? Have you been able to get out and around?
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12-01-2007, 08:17 AM
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While things look very dismal at times, and there's plenty we can point to and lay at the feet of politicians and global businesses that's been done wrong, which we want answers to and stopped, the fight must go on. When the sages (veterans) in this battle for freedom let their arms hang down and give in, because of the enormous size of the task and how formidable the foe seems at times, then those new to the fight let their arms drop and they give in too... Take another shot of courage Sam, and rejoin with us in the fight when you're patriotic batteries have been recharged. We need you and we'll be waiting for you...
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12-01-2007, 08:32 AM
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12-01-2007, 08:53 AM
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Easy Sam...while my small entry may not have been large enough to clarify what I said properly, lets not get on the defensive here. My comments were NOT directed to BP letting their arms down. What is happening there is a mess; especially with what happened to BPs like Ramos and Compean, and others in that mess. There are so many underhanded dealing going on that it's clearly criminal. I don't owe them an apology because I didn't slant them! I don't know where you're reading that I called you unpatriotic!? Like Troy2000, I could read in your words that you're feeling the frustration each of us concerned about all this mess feels at times. We get mired down in the muck of it. You sounded fatigued from watching the show and seeing anew the atrocities that are occurring on that battle front. I don't owe you an apology either - because I never attacked you. You got a chip on your shoulder Sam? Because I read you getting defensive often, at those who are in the battle with you! Give it up and realize who the enemy is and who your brothers in arms are...
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12-01-2007, 09:24 AM
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The southern border is a sorry state of affairs, indeed. No one knows better than those within shouting distance of it. We feel the crunches here even though we are around 200 miles north of the Arizona/Mexican border. I'm with Troy2000 in that the American people have seen a tremendous amount of turmoil in our lives and we, as a country, will be around many, many more years to see even more turmoil. Global warming permitting, of course. LOL
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12-01-2007, 09:24 AM
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"Let their arms hang down and quit" isnt saying law enforcement is giving up?Saying"when your patriotic batteries get charged up"isnt calling me unpatriotic?I must have a very limited understanding of the English language.As to apoligizing,I dont care and doubt that the brave men and women really fighting this battle care.I believe both of us wish you were on the side of the American people instead of our corrupt government that is selling us out.The news always has the latest on sex scandals but nothing on what is going on so we think things are great but if the officers really fighting the war on the border could ever get on the media and tell how our government is selling us out like that show,maybe people would wake up.Also I feel I have a right to defend my position on any matter.If you want to consider that as having a chip on my shoulder,so be it.At least I stand up for my beliefs. sam Dale:Altho Gore,s global warming is hanging in there where you are,it gave out here in Mich..My feet are cold. sam. Last edited by samuel; 12-01-2007 at 09:28 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
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12-01-2007, 09:34 AM
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Sam, I am one of those poor and elderly Americans but I love my Country and vote freedom first. Some of the issues I would like to see addressed are: 1. Downsize the Government and do away with agencies with overlaping authority starting with the BATF. 2. Get the U.S. out of the U.N. 3.Allow all Americans the right to carry anywhere except those that have been convicted of a violent crime Felony. 4.Stop all foreign aid and apply this money to the National Debt until it is paid off. This would boost our economy and strengthen the dollar in the world market. 5.Then take care of the needy Americans here before any money is alloted to foreign aid. We must take care of our own. Sam, you are a Patriot and we need your help. |
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12-01-2007, 09:47 AM
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Sam... I served my 20 years in the armed forces, including two tours in the gulf. I saw the ugly, the wrong and the harm it does too. I stay up on current news, and I'm not blind to what's really going on with big business and their puppet politicians. We've got a lot of things to be grateful for and proud of as Americans. We've seen a lot of drift in this country from where we used to be, caused by many traitors in the camp. We see it smeared across the media every day. Hopefully there will continue to be those of us (Patriots) who keep standing up for and keep doing our part in perpetuating the freedoms and liberties that America was founded upon. While we don't know each other, a review of my posts on this forum will clearly show which side of the battle I am on and where my loyalties are. I hope you continue to have the strength and wherewithal to help encourage the rest of us to do our part, wherever we can, to learn about and fight against what is wrong.
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12-01-2007, 09:56 AM
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12-01-2007, 10:05 AM
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Windwalker... Here's some info, which I'm not sure you've read or aware of, on our national debt. The author sheds more light on the how and why of our huge national debit. While this article was published a couple of years ago, the background info is still current. Patrick Wood -- America Plundered by the Global Elite - Part 1 Also, concerning the need to get the US out of the UN, here's a chronology about background to the UN that I read through last night that clearly helps us see the validity of what you're saying: D.L. Cuddy: Chronological History of the New World Order
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12-01-2007, 10:38 AM
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Thank you and I apoligize for saying you were suporting our slimey politicians that are selling us out just to get reelected.I didnt really believe that when I wrote it.No true American could be on congress side.70 some % arent.I wish you had seen the Glenn Beck show.Maybe it will be on this weekend.One thing they told about was they are sending another 1.4 billion to Mexico to fight drugs after training the zetas and arming them and having them turn on us.They either never learn or they want Mexico to take over the southwest.I salute you on your service to the country.I cant understand why our government never seems to want our military to win.The name of the congressman that told the sheriff he was just a little sheriff and Cuellar was a big congresman was Henry Cuellar in the 28th district in Texas,a democrat.But it makes no difference what they are,they are selling us out.I love this country but when I see us run in debt for $9trillion,watch the politicians block victory again,and open our borders up to cheap labor and drug cartels and allow our jobs to go offshore,I sure dont have any love or faith in our present system of government.I hope people start standing up for themselves. Windwalker: I read your post and agree 100%. sam.
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12-01-2007, 10:43 AM
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Thanks Sam... The sites I sent to Windwalker (posted above) help further explain some of the how and why for what's going on...the actions that are behind what's destroying America and hurting Americans. Within those messages is information on organizations and politicians we can point the finger at, stay alert to and do our best to not support. Keep up the good fight Sam...I'm fighting the enemy right along with you.
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12-01-2007, 12:37 PM
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I read it.Not many will but all should.Mostly it answered why it seemed that Bush #1 was pushing for a 1 world government and Bush #2 is making it happen.It also verifies that altho we have a two party system there is no difference in the goals of the partys and all are controlled by big industry/monopilies.It's frightening.Armageddin profficies a one world government.That is where we are going.That is why Bush and congress is throwing the gates wide open on the borders,both north and south.Is there any hope? sam.
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12-01-2007, 12:39 PM
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12-01-2007, 12:40 PM
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good post sam i see alot of your points or true
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12-01-2007, 01:50 PM
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Sam... Good to know that you read the stuff I posted, and that you can see into the reality of it. Not many will read it and fewer will acknowledge its reality. Notice that the problems go a ways back, and that there are many different people and now large companies who have been and are now contributing to the problems we're facing. However, our vote still has power, when we can identify who is not linked to this mess and then try to get them into office at every level possible...and then supportively encourage them and their efforts to help us - however small those efforts may be. Then, there are steps we can take to help buffer ourselves and our families for the after shock of what these organizations and people are doing to undermine the US economy and dismantle our freedoms. To prepare the best we can... I've heard/read one of the best ways to buffer ourselves to handle the fall out from the increasing national debt/sinking economy is to get as far away from personal and family debt as we can. Then, we would be wise to have a preparedness plan that included backup food, water, and other necessary household items to sustain us for awhile. Some say up to and including a year's supply where possible. This would include a backup of all the other things we can, where we are able to do so. If the dollar keeps shrinking the way it is against other currencies, and more countries start to drop it and buy up other currencies, we would be wise not to have a stock pile of US currency as our monetary backup. We need to be more diversified in the way we prepare monetarily. As an example, look at what position China has recently taken against the dollar, to avoid taking losses. This isn't being a pessimist, or a cynic, in the way we're thinking and acting. It's properly dealing with the problems, by being a realist and an optimist. It's believing that we can still do something. It's being wise to what's happening and taking needed steps to brace ourselves for what's coming. You read in there how many large corporations and politicians are involved in what's happening. They are the ones to watch out for and avoid. Notice that the names of large media networks are also involved, which puts what they broadcast/publish in question. I've found it much easier to make sense of all that is happening when I know what and who are behind it, and then to be very wary of them. And yes, now the reason the walls/gates aren't being thrown up on our southern boarder becomes more clear, as do the answers to the many other questions that people are asking. Then our focus changes from the one person in office, or a certain political party, toward the organizations and companies that are really calling the shots. Glad to hear you read what I posted, and I hope you will in turn post things you learn about. These issues are much bigger than the 2nd Amendment and gun-control... Pred, you're not wrong or crazy...just ahead of what people were/are willing to look into and then accept as reality. It's easier for people to discredit the messenger than to look into it. Then when the message is too big for them to handle they discredit the message. The messages are true, and we need to accept them and prepare ourselves and our families for what is going to happen because of them. I like it when people get to the source of problems and stop dilly dallying with the symptoms. As people move along into learning about the real source of problems then they can be more effective in dealing with those problems.
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12-01-2007, 02:59 PM
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Pred:I read your threads too.I didnt care for it when people that never watch anything but the latest on Britney and Paris which is about all the media puts out were condemning you and rave and others for the conspiracy theory,but couldnt blame them as no one wants to face the fact that our government is working for big industry and against the people that elect and pay them.Like to hear more from you. sam.
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12-01-2007, 03:11 PM
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It's bad in Texas, it's bad all over.
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