I would like your opinion on buying a Browning Safari 300 Win Mag with Boss for Hunting Moose & possibly deer...or should I buy it's 30-06 for it's wider range of ammunition load and game.. A quick follow-up shot is important in our thick forested area.
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If you are gonna hunt Moose, go with the .300 WinMag. works on Deer, Caribou, and Bears too !
I started with 06 here in Alaska, went to .300 when it took Multiple shots from 06 on Big Moose to put em right Down. I havent regretted it. If you reload, you have Many Bullets and bullet weights to choose from 110 grain to 220 grain....
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History shows this is the best round for all American game hunting. The .300 is a good round but is strong in the recoil and muzzle blast department, costs more to shoot that the .30-06,
is not versatile to wide range of hunting, and due to recoil you will not practice as much therefore not becoming as effective in the field. There is way too much "magnum myth" in America.
History shows this is the best round for all American game hunting. The .300 is a good round but is strong in the recoil and muzzle blast department, costs more to shoot that the .30-06,
is not versatile to wide range of hunting, and due to recoil you will not practice as much therefore not becoming as effective in the field. There is way too much "magnum myth" in America.
That is Not True at all... It takes bullet energy to kill cleanly a thick skinned animal, and 30/06 is minimal even at 50 yard shots...I know this from Experience.
Recoil is only felt on a shooting range, YOU NEVER FEEL it when shooting an Animal because of Adrenaline.
Recoil Can be dealt with in many ways, but you can't get the bullet energy out of an 06 that you Can out of a Magnum.
You can't hunt Buffalo in Alaska with a 30/06.. BY REGULATION...Has to be A MAGNUM or you can't hunt.
A faster , Flatter shooting bullet has way more advantage as far as Faster Killing , and hitting where you aim at at longer ranges. Ammo price is irrelevant because I can Buy .300 Win Mag Cheaper than I can 30/06 in some stores because they sell More .300 so they buy bigger lots. If the 30/06 is so great, then why are U.S. Military snipers now using the .300 Win Mag ??? Because it is the Best all around .30 cal on the market!
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Balistics wise the .300win is about the same at 150yds as the .30-06 is at the muzzle.My experience in the field checking many other hunters shots and my own experience the .30-06 carries sufficient fps-ke to kill moose-bear game up to 200yds and the .300win out to 400yds using select 180gr bullets in both.In my hunting world that means I would feel adequately armed with a -06 out to 100yds and a .300win at 200yds.This would give me a good fps-ke margin with both.I would feel I had nothing to spare with the -06 at 200yds or the .300win at 400yds.I would pass the shot with both at max range. sam.
Don't forget about trajectory. A .300 Win Mag shoots considerably flatter. It may be more expensive to shoot, but you'll use less bullets to down an animal! The 06 had it's day, but new generations of calibers and powders are quickly taking over its' legendary status.
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Yeah I do have to agree with moose and everybody else who said the 300 it is a better round even for killing deer in a similar location 300 kills them quicker and the extra force behind it doesn't hurt anything. If you can't handle the recoil get a recoil pad and such. Doesn't browning or somebody sell 300 in semi auto I would check that out if you are looking for quick follow up shots. Oops sorry just looked it up I guess it is already is a semi auto.
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The Browning safari comes with a 26" barrel so add 100 ft/sec in other words you are throwing a 200 grain led out at 3200 ft/sec. = DEAD anything .
The 30-06 is ok for as samuel says 200 yards. But has the trajectory like the rainbow.
The 300 is my weapon of choice. In fact I would take a 270 over the 30-06 (that should start something.)
You need two things to create energy (stopping power) which the 300 is unmatched by in conventional hunting arms. And those are Velocity & Weight in grains.
A 300 doesn't need a follow up shot with a well placed first shot.
i personally shoot a 338 win mag
i love it, its perfect for me, but im 6-2 and 230 lbs.
I flipped a 6'3 black bear with one shot with a 250 grain nosler a couple of weeks ago and stopped a nice moose in his tracks with the same round days later.
most of my friends shoot the 300 but they vary between the weatherby and the win mag rounds
my buddys both got moose with their 300 weatherbys and a goat was in the mix as well.
the weatherby round shoots flatter and is good to reach out and touch something well beyond the 200 yard mark that was mentioned here.
I hit the bear at 200 yards and the moose was at 350 yards or more.
if you practice with your gun, you can manage trajectory with no problem.
i have one friend that shoots the 30-06 and he is the only one that has lost an animal this year, although it could have been due to a badly placed shot.
wow just happened to look at the date on this post.
i wonder what gun he got.
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I am looking at buying a McMillan Rifle, and couldn't decide between a .30-06 and a .300 Win mag... I will be mostly hunting Hogs and Deer down here in Texas. I will also be hunting Elk in Colorado and New Mexico. On the "List" are some long range shot at Antalope, A Caribou, A Moose, A Bear, and at least 1 Alaskan hunt... I am a firm believer in the "Quick Kill" school of thought. IMHO it is the humane thing to do, and it is our responsibility as hunters. Made my decision pretty easy after hearing that.
I am looking at buying a McMillan Rifle, and couldn't decide between a .30-06 and a .300 Win mag... I will be mostly hunting Hogs and Deer down here in Texas. I will also be hunting Elk in Colorado and New Mexico. On the "List" are some long range shot at Antalope, A Caribou, A Moose, A Bear, and at least 1 Alaskan hunt... I am a firm believer in the "Quick Kill" school of thought. IMHO it is the humane thing to do, and it is our responsibility as hunters. Made my decision pretty easy after hearing that.
while I do respect the many posts from those who truly support the .300 Win Mag I am still in favor of the .30-06 in a choice between the two cartridges.
The .30-06 just has so much versatility coupled with such a wide range of factory loadings it gets my vote. Also, the .30-06 has an over one hundred year history of taking all game in North America. Ammo is widely available in sporting goods retail outlets.
Elk,Antalope, A Caribou, A Moose, A Bear, and at least 1 Alaskan hunt
300 is a better choice for these animals. if you hunt deer and rabbits, the 30-06 is fine.
i hear stories of people killing a bear with a 22 but you wont catch me with a meat-filled pack, blood running down the back of my legs, 4 miles from camp, brown bear country, with a 30-06.
44 mag with 320 grain hard cast lead skull busters and a 338 win mag with 250 grain noslers is what i prefer.
i have a 30-06, by the way. it shoots fine. its for sale.
yeah i know but hunting moose in brown bear country with a o6 is a little curious too isnt it? i mean, you are the mooseman lol.
my buddy just swapped his .17 for a 22 mag.
took him 2 shots to get a grouse this year with it, and that was it.
i grouse hunt with the marlin 22 mag ss and i love it.
(both my friends that hunt with 30-06's have empty freezers lol)
The Browning safari comes with a 26" barrel so add 100 ft/sec in other words you are throwing a 200 grain led out at 3200 ft/sec. = DEAD anything .
The 30-06 is ok for as samuel says 200 yards. But has the trajectory like the rainbow.
The 300 is my weapon of choice. In fact I would take a 270 over the 30-06 (that should start something.)
You need two things to create energy (stopping power) which the 300 is unmatched by in conventional hunting arms. And those are Velocity & Weight in grains.
A 300 doesn't need a follow up shot with a well placed first shot.
This is exactly the reason I bought my 300. I've used a 270 for 30+ years. When I decided I wanted a 30 cal, the 270 in a 130 gr bullet and 300 win mag in a 180 gr bullet have virtually identical velocity and trajectory characteristics. I didn't have to learn a whole new site picture. I use the 270 for deer and smaller crittters. I use the 300 on elk. I hope to use it on bigger critters. BTW, my safari w/o the BOSS has a 24" barrel. Year of manufacture may affect barrel length.
I 've had my .300 Win Mag for 3 years, a Christmas gift which I specified from my wife. It's a Browning A-Bolt Medallion with a B.O.S.S. (Ballistic Optimizing Shooting System) -- best decision I ever made! I shoot cheap Winchester Super-X 150 gr. Power Points and can put 3 rounds inside a quarter at 300 yards. Took me a little while to get the BOSS dialed in but now it's a tack driver. It has a 26" barrel with a 1 in 10 twist.
In addition to reducing felt recoil 30 - 50%, it's purpose is to tune out harmonic vibrations in the barrel improving accuracy. No one was able to answer the question I had about interchangeability of the BOSS with the CR (Conventional Recoil) brake which came with it, until I stumbled onto the Shot Show while in Las Vegas. I got to talk to the Browning rep who happened to have worked side-by-side with the man who invented the B.O.S.S.
Shooting 150's isn't punishing anyway,but he confirmed that the BOSS was designed to be almost perfectly interchangeable with the CR, the advantage being to reduce the tremendous muzzleblast without sacrificing accuracy (I understand they had a Class Action suit filed against them for damage to hearing).
Reloading is my next step, so I am looking at the Barnes TSX 165's or 180's as a good all-purpose load. Input by anyone with experience with reloading the Barnes TSX in .300 Win Mag would be appreciated.
I wont use them TSX Bullets...Not in a .300 win Mag anyway.
Go with Nosler Partitions or Accubonds...accurate and a great bullet performance that is hard to beat...
Rich
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