Congress Oks Va Tech Inspired Bill

Midas · 12-19-2007, 09:15 PM

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Congress OKs Va Tech-inspired gun bill - Yahoo! News

ArkansasHunter · 12-19-2007, 09:34 PM

My sister ask me about this last week and it was interesting that she even knew about this bill.
She ask me if her son who had, had a restraining order put on him by his Ex Girl friend (though he hadn't done anything to her) could still buy guns if this pass's and I told her I didn't know.
Can he ????
A.H

SuckLead · 12-19-2007, 10:09 PM

I dunno. I had a customer ask me the same thing last week about a neighbor of his. Apparently, she's being stalked and her stalker took out a restraining order against her for some reason. It is my guess that if someone takes out a restraining order against you you will be denied for a gun sale.

Deersniper · 12-19-2007, 10:10 PM

Just saw it on the wire. Ok, all you mental defects stand and be counted. I say Ruskies. The comrades have done it again. Sounds like they are going to try for them. You lose some, you win some. I hope they put themselves on the list.

Coeloptera · 12-19-2007, 11:21 PM

Actually, I'd have to read the actual text of the bill before I have any objections. This one actually seems reasonable to me.

Of course, it all depends on exactly what it does, but I don't see a problem with extra security measures for those who've been treated for mental health issues.

Kinda funny the Brady folks and the NRA are both on board for this one. This quote from the article makes me highly skeptical it's a grab:

"'Rather than focusing on improving the current laws prohibiting people with certain mental health disabilities from buying guns, the bill is now nothing more than a gun lobby wish list,' said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center. 'It will waste millions of taxpayer dollars restoring the gun privileges of persons previously determined to present a danger to themselves or others.'"

I wouldn't worry too much about this one, all. It also states this measure will specific what mental health records will count. It doesn't sound like any court order will be part of it, although psyche-evals taking during proceedings might.

I'll do some homework, see what real details I can find.

- Coeloptera

troy2000 · 12-19-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Coeloptera

Actually, I'd have to read the actual text of the bill before I have any objections. This one actually seems reasonable to me.
Of course, it all depends on exactly what it does, but I don't see a problem with extra security measures for those who've been treated for mental health issues.
Kinda funny the Brady folks and the NRA are both on board for this one. This quote from the article makes me highly skeptical it's a grab:
"'Rather than focusing on improving the current laws prohibiting people with certain mental health disabilities from buying guns, the bill is now nothing more than a gun lobby wish list,' said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center. 'It will waste millions of taxpayer dollars restoring the gun privileges of persons previously determined to present a danger to themselves or others.'"
I wouldn't worry too much about this one, all. It also states this measure will specific what mental health records will count. It doesn't sound like any court order will be part of it, although psyche-evals taking during proceedings might.
I'll do some homework, see what real details I can find.
- Coeloptera

Yeah; somehow I doubt she thinks spending millions unnecessarily taking "gun privileges" away from people to begin with (like combat veterans who seek counseling) was a waste...

There are no "gun privileges" in the Constitution; only a right to keep and bear arms, which shouldn't be taken from people lightly.

ArkansasHunter · 12-20-2007, 10:18 AM

Does anyone know if this will delay gun buying ? In Arkansas theres no waiting peroid.
Go to store, pick the firearm, fillout the simply background check paper the store calls it in to whomever gives the o.k. pay for the gun and go home.

Now will we have to provide our medical records ? ...A.H

GDawg · 12-20-2007, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Does anyone know if this will delay gun buying ? In Arkansas theres no waiting peroid.
Go to store, pick the firearm, fillout the simply background check paper the store calls it in to whomever gives the o.k. pay for the gun and go home.

Now will we have to provide our medical records ? ...A.H

I just bought my first gun last week. No waiting period per se but it took about 30 minutes to run a check on me. One of the questions I was asked on the form was did I have any restraining orders against me. I'm sure it would have been denied if I had said "Yes"... but I doubt that they could have verified it if I had said "No".

troy2000 · 12-20-2007, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GDawg

I just bought my first gun last week. No waiting period per se but it took about 30 minutes to run a check on me. One of the questions I was asked on the form was did I have any restraining orders against me. I'm sure it would have been denied if I had said "Yes"... but I doubt that they could have verified it if I had said "No".

You probably already told us and I missed it, but what kind of gun did you buy?

GDawg · 12-20-2007, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy2000

You probably already told us and I missed it, but what kind of gun did you buy?

Proud owner of a (used) SigPro 2340! I have yet to fire it but each day I pull it out (with trigger lock on) and enjoy the way it feels in my hand.

I'm looking into some beginner classes and to get my CCW permit. I'm too old to take on these crazys these days. I have a woman and three children that depend on me for protection.

samuel · 12-20-2007, 02:12 PM

If Bush signs it,right after it takes effect a lot of veterans are going to be turned sown for gun purchases.By the time they get through the appeal they will be gone.Not one law they ever passed ever worked in favor of law abiding gun owners.But they did pass the law that a felon could not be required to register a handgun because of the fifth ammendment.To register a firearm would be self incriminating.Chalk up one more for the bad guy. sam.

CrazyIvan · 12-20-2007, 02:42 PM

You know, long before ever having gotten into the hobby of firearms, I had depression issues, some still remain on a small part. But, I always thought going to a therapist would tarnish myself as some whack job, so I never sought out a therapist, even though it may have greatly helped my recovery.

MAN, I am certainly seeing my fears coming to light for so many people who at some point needed someone to talk to and did, in fact, do so. This is sick & twisted.

Nothing like making people affraid to seek medical help by threatening them with then considering them a bonified whacko...

Windwalker · 12-20-2007, 02:46 PM

Boy, does that section of the law suck. Of course the felon wasn't going to register the gun anyway but at least he could have been charged with another gun law violation if he were caught with it. Yes, Trou you can bet that neither Kristen Rand nor Schumer think it was a waste of millions taking away gun rights.

DWARREN123 · 12-20-2007, 07:26 PM

It is the beginning of the end.

Rave · 12-20-2007, 08:02 PM

Another straw on that poor ol' camels back.
Bastids never quit,dream up one crazy thing after another,and never let a detail go that they can wring another anti-gun law out of!

BattleRifleG3 · 12-21-2007, 12:18 PM

According to the NRA, this bill will ONLY apply to people ADJUDICATED mentally defective, not those who receive mental care or diagnoses short of that. My concern is that records will just be thrown over to the NICS system and will deny tons of people before their rights supposedly get restored. A denial for gun purchase requires the dealer to alert local LE, which means that people will not only be denied purchases, but will face charges for illegally trying to buy a gun due to a glitch.

IF the NRA is right, this bill will offer recourse to those previously affected by such glitches. IF the article above is right, people will be notified so that they don't innocently step into a trap, even if their records are just glitches.

IF the NRA is right, it will redeem them in the eyes of many who think they have betrayed the core rights of gun owners. But IF the NRA is wrong about it, I predict it will be their end. If I was the NRA, I wouldn't have touched it with a ten foot pole.

Coeloptera · 12-21-2007, 02:35 PM

Good points there, BattleRifle. Hopefully they were paying attention to the provisions within the bill...

- Coeloptera

PrivateSnuffy · 12-21-2007, 03:20 PM

he's right, a lot of veterans, especially from the recent war have PTSD (post-tramatic stress disorder). It's very treatable, not a defect but a response to large amounts of trama. People who had this can't own guns EVER now. If this bill passes, it looks like they will be cleared. I understand if they have PTSD and come right off the boat and want a gun, sure. But banning them for life is ridiculous.

12-19-2007, 09:15 PM	#1
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12-19-2007, 10:09 PM	#3
SuckLead Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 650	I dunno. I had a customer ask me the same thing last week about a neighbor of his. Apparently, she's being stalked and her stalker took out a restraining order against her for some reason. It is my guess that if someone takes out a restraining order against you you will be denied for a gun sale. __________________ "Ruin a liberal's day; recite historical fact." - found on a bumper sticker

12-20-2007, 02:42 PM	#12
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,561	You know, long before ever having gotten into the hobby of firearms, I had depression issues, some still remain on a small part. But, I always thought going to a therapist would tarnish myself as some whack job, so I never sought out a therapist, even though it may have greatly helped my recovery. MAN, I am certainly seeing my fears coming to light for so many people who at some point needed someone to talk to and did, in fact, do so. This is sick & twisted. Nothing like making people affraid to seek medical help by threatening them with then considering them a bonified whacko... __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me Last edited by CrazyIvan; 12-20-2007 at 02:46 PM.

12-20-2007, 07:26 PM	#14
DWARREN123 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: BETWEEN TN & KY Posts: 833	It is the beginning of the end. __________________ Have a nice day!

12-20-2007, 08:02 PM	#15
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,018	Another straw on that poor ol' camels back. Bastids never quit,dream up one crazy thing after another,and never let a detail go that they can wring another anti-gun law out of! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

12-19-2007, 09:34 PM	#2
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,931	My sister ask me about this last week and it was interesting that she even knew about this bill. She ask me if her son who had, had a restraining order put on him by his Ex Girl friend (though he hadn't done anything to her) could still buy guns if this pass's and I told her I didn't know. Can he ???? A.H

12-19-2007, 10:10 PM	#4
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,874	Just saw it on the wire. Ok, all you mental defects stand and be counted. I say Ruskies. The comrades have done it again. Sounds like they are going to try for them. You lose some, you win some. I hope they put themselves on the list.

12-19-2007, 11:21 PM	#5
Coeloptera Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,133	Actually, I'd have to read the actual text of the bill before I have any objections. This one actually seems reasonable to me. Of course, it all depends on exactly what it does, but I don't see a problem with extra security measures for those who've been treated for mental health issues. Kinda funny the Brady folks and the NRA are both on board for this one. This quote from the article makes me highly skeptical it's a grab: "'Rather than focusing on improving the current laws prohibiting people with certain mental health disabilities from buying guns, the bill is now nothing more than a gun lobby wish list,' said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center. 'It will waste millions of taxpayer dollars restoring the gun privileges of persons previously determined to present a danger to themselves or others.'" I wouldn't worry too much about this one, all. It also states this measure will specific what mental health records will count. It doesn't sound like any court order will be part of it, although psyche-evals taking during proceedings might. I'll do some homework, see what real details I can find. - Coeloptera

12-20-2007, 10:18 AM	#7
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,931	Does anyone know if this will delay gun buying ? In Arkansas theres no waiting peroid. Go to store, pick the firearm, fillout the simply background check paper the store calls it in to whomever gives the o.k. pay for the gun and go home. Now will we have to provide our medical records ? ...A.H

12-20-2007, 02:12 PM	#11
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,089	If Bush signs it,right after it takes effect a lot of veterans are going to be turned sown for gun purchases.By the time they get through the appeal they will be gone.Not one law they ever passed ever worked in favor of law abiding gun owners.But they did pass the law that a felon could not be required to register a handgun because of the fifth ammendment.To register a firearm would be self incriminating.Chalk up one more for the bad guy. sam.

12-20-2007, 02:46 PM	#13
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,944	Boy, does that section of the law suck. Of course the felon wasn't going to register the gun anyway but at least he could have been charged with another gun law violation if he were caught with it. Yes, Trou you can bet that neither Kristen Rand nor Schumer think it was a waste of millions taking away gun rights.

12-21-2007, 12:18 PM	#16
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,432 Images: 13	According to the NRA, this bill will ONLY apply to people ADJUDICATED mentally defective, not those who receive mental care or diagnoses short of that. My concern is that records will just be thrown over to the NICS system and will deny tons of people before their rights supposedly get restored. A denial for gun purchase requires the dealer to alert local LE, which means that people will not only be denied purchases, but will face charges for illegally trying to buy a gun due to a glitch. IF the NRA is right, this bill will offer recourse to those previously affected by such glitches. IF the article above is right, people will be notified so that they don't innocently step into a trap, even if their records are just glitches. IF the NRA is right, it will redeem them in the eyes of many who think they have betrayed the core rights of gun owners. But IF the NRA is wrong about it, I predict it will be their end. If I was the NRA, I wouldn't have touched it with a ten foot pole. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

12-21-2007, 02:35 PM	#17
Coeloptera Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,133	Good points there, BattleRifle. Hopefully they were paying attention to the provisions within the bill... - Coeloptera

12-21-2007, 03:20 PM	#18
PrivateSnuffy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 169	he's right, a lot of veterans, especially from the recent war have PTSD (post-tramatic stress disorder). It's very treatable, not a defect but a response to large amounts of trama. People who had this can't own guns EVER now. If this bill passes, it looks like they will be cleared. I understand if they have PTSD and come right off the boat and want a gun, sure. But banning them for life is ridiculous.