Seems like the NRA is gearing up for a federal lawsuit against mayor Ray Nagin and police superintendent Warren Riley over the unlawful confiscation of legally owned firearms.
If true, this is deeply unsettling stuff. An old lady, holding a pistol in her palm, in no way near firing position, her fingers well away from the trigger, got filmed being tackled by LEOs.
Apparently over 1,000 firearms were confiscated, only about 100 have been returned. The city is making no good faith effort to find the owners and return their confiscated property, the NRA alleges in the suit.
Right now they are trying to locate as many of the owners as they can, but they're not having much luck. They've ID'd about 300 people and have located only 75.
So if anyone can help in this effort, please do so. This was utterly uncalled for and really does seem entirely unconstitutional. This was an emergency, people wanted to defend their homes. The government has no right whatsoever to confiscate weapons in an emergency.
This is terrible, and likely helped contribute to the chaos. I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thing happens again, if LEOs are preemptively attacked to prevent this from happening. Any gun owners who know about this are going to be deeply disinclined to cooperate with authorities.
The government on both state and federal levels failed miserably throughout that whole crisis. Federally, people now no longer trust FEMA to do squat. Notice that California handled the fires with minimal to no federal assistance and did a better job of it, and locally, they bungled evacuation efforts and then they did this. That's Right and Left failing the citizens pretty much entirely.
Nagin's scum, and Bush isn't doing thing one to set this right, either...So, looks like it'll be up to the courts.
Yeah CNN's unbiased headline reads NRA returning guns to Katrina survivors . When I saw the headline I thought what is thew NRA doing with their guns. Did law enforcement turn them over to NRA? Then I read the article and found out they are just beginning to look for people who have had their guns taken away illegally.
Most of those guns were ruined - tossed all together into a locker that got wet. It's so much rusty junk metal.
I hope they take the Nawlin's leaders for all they are worth. Heck, Nagin took the Feds for some 18 Million Dollars . . .
I read about this in one of the NRA's magazines, and saw pictures of the ruined weapons. They didn't even bother to properly record who they took the guns from. And they were so stupid that when they confiscated loaded ones, they left them loaded and threw them into the plastic drums with the rest. Which the New Orleans Attorney General or one of his people denied, until they were shown useless, rusted guns with the bullets still in them, and tags affixed saying, "loaded."
One of the fun things the cops did sometimes was stomp on the guns in front of the owners after they took them, which is corroborated not only by the owners' accounts but by the condition of the guns, especially revolvers with bent parts.
just remember it wasn't just N.O.P.D it was cops from all of the united states down here joining in on the fun.so just remember that if they came down here and took them from us they will take them from ya'll just as fast. it was the L.A.P.D who attacked the old lady from what i remember. to me after katrina cops are cops and they showed thier true colors after that storm and trust me thier colors ain't red/white/blue.
Wrong, wrong, wrong what the LEO and other armed people did to these innocent people in New Orleans...in taking their firearms from them.
The red flag is all the way to the top of the flag pole warning us about what is happening in our nation!
In the mid 70s we had a horrible flood here in the eastern portion of Idaho, where a dam broke and caused a lot of damage to a series of smaller towns. No one came to take our firearms then, and they shouldn't have taken them in New Orleans.
Much has changed from the 70s to now...
Thanks to the NRA for standing up and helping to do something about this atrocity.
they should go after all involved. "I vas only following orders" didn't get the Nazis free at the Nuremburg trials and these jackbooted thugs should pay fortheir crimes too. A l.e.o is supposed to uphold the laws not make their own.
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Yes they should go after all the people who planned and implemented this violation of our 2nd Amendment rights, all of them, and then punish them with convictions that are equal to and as devastating as their crimes were to these innocent people!!! Military people know that the 2nd Amendment is there to protect our gun rights, and that they are obligated/sworn to uphold the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, yet they participated in the confiscation of firearms. That is so wrong when they go against their sworn oath and violate the constitutional rights of the people!
When we read articles like these listed below, in addition to what Coeloptera posted, we feel the shock of what Death Metal expressed. These incidents should never happen in America, incidents that seem to be a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act when the military gets involved. Then to top it off, the city and the rich hired the mercenaries to protect them. What about average Mary and Joe who needed protection too, the protection they could have had by being allowed their constitutional right to keep and bear arms?!
Well Tommy i do think thats a rather broad brush you are painting with , don't know what color you think ALL cops are.
I don't agree with hardly anything that happened before, durring or after Katrina. That includes taking firearms from honest citizens. Thats just one more example what a bunch of idiots that LA has in charge. And i hope they are made to pay. But to blame the police officers from around the country who risked their lives to help out in a toilet bowl called New Orleans. And i might mention most (officers) took personal time and didn't get paid to do it. But i guess what you are impling is that getting to trample all over the constitution was payment enough for all these nazi cops.
Gimme a break!!
I do not understand how that dumb mayor and his chief of police could do such a thing!!!!! as a former reserve deputy sheriff who graduated from the acadamy and had the right to arrest people all I was ever allowed to do in my county in Ore. was to ask if someone had a fire arm and if they said yes and it was conceald and they had a permit for the weapon they kept it,only if a person who did not have a permit to have a weapon concaeled was the weapon-taken into custody and the person issued a citation to appear in court.And in my county if you pass the Qals for a weapon permit it is your;s crime is rampant in are citie;s because the people cannot arm themself;s and the -----;--- criminals know they are not armed.
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The NRA is trying to get the peoples property (firearms) back to them But the people of Louisiana from all over the State should be filing petitions to the Attorney General urging prosecution of the people who illegally confiscated these weapons.
those cops that cme down here and done what they did right along with the cops that lived down here are no better that any of them. whether they took time off to come down here or not .what your saying is that sinse they was on thier own time witch was not true they would have to be on the payroll of somebody to be wearing thir badges. if you watched the news they said the police agencies from around the country was sending officers to new orleans to help out so i don't think they was here not getting paid. and if they was some out here takin guns on thier own time then they are even lower on the scumbag list because they simply could have said man this ain't right we shouldn't be takin these peoples guns and they could have went home but they stayed and took guns right along with the paid cops. and i don't think there was any voluteer cops out here they was all getting paid by someone. iether thier departmen of new orleans department . and when the order came down to take the guns they could have left like i said but they didn't .people just read stories they wasn't down here you didn't have the millitary holding guns on you whille you was waiting in line for food you didin't have cops yelling in your face for no reason say(GET THE HELL OFF THE STREET) when your 50 yards from your own house. when there is no one around to watch the cops they get out of line fast they do what they want and katrina showed us all that well i should say it showed everyone that lived through it that. the others just have to hear the stories.
i know i'll never look at a cop the same way agian.
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Originally Posted by gak906
Well Tommy i do think thats a rather broad brush you are painting with , don't know what color you think ALL cops are.
I don't agree with hardly anything that happened before, durring or after Katrina. That includes taking firearms from honest citizens. Thats just one more example what a bunch of idiots that LA has in charge. And i hope they are made to pay. But to blame the police officers from around the country who risked their lives to help out in a toilet bowl called New Orleans. And i might mention most (officers) took personal time and didn't get paid to do it. But i guess what you are impling is that getting to trample all over the constitution was payment enough for all these nazi cops.
Gimme a break!!
those cops that cme down here and done what they did right along with the cops that lived down here are no better that any of them. whether they took time off to come down here or not .what your saying is that sinse they was on thier own time witch was not true they would have to be on the payroll of somebody to be wearing thir badges. if you watched the news they said the police agencies from around the country was sending officers to new orleans to help out so i don't think they was here not getting paid. and if they was some out here takin guns on thier own time then they are even lower on the scumbag list because they simply could have said man this ain't right we shouldn't be takin these peoples guns and they could have went home but they stayed and took guns right along with the paid cops. and i don't think there was any voluteer cops out here they was all getting paid by someone. iether thier departmen of new orleans department . and when the order came down to take the guns they could have left like i said but they didn't .people just read stories they wasn't down here you didn't have the millitary holding guns on you whille you was waiting in line for food you didin't have cops yelling in your face for no reason say(GET THE HELL OFF THE STREET) when your 50 yards from your own house. when there is no one around to watch the cops they get out of line fast they do what they want and katrina showed us all that well i should say it showed everyone that lived through it that. the others just have to hear the stories.
i know i'll never look at a cop the same way agian.
Everything that happens is a learning curve for someone, Tommy. And New Orleans got screwed along the way. I think a lot of what the police did was because they were panicked, or close to it, because no one in this country had ever seen anything quite like Katrina before.
If it's any consolation, you people in and around New Orleans walked first on the path, and removed the stones and patched the bad places for the rest of us. Because of what you endured, laws are being passed that say the authorities can't confiscate guns from lawful owners in disasters, and police departments all over the country are rethinking how they'd handle a disaster.
Well Tommy i do think thats a rather broad brush you are painting with , don't know what color you think ALL cops are.
I don't agree with hardly anything that happened before, durring or after Katrina. That includes taking firearms from honest citizens. Thats just one more example what a bunch of idiots that LA has in charge. And i hope they are made to pay. But to blame the police officers from around the country who risked their lives to help out in a toilet bowl called New Orleans. And i might mention most (officers) took personal time and didn't get paid to do it. But i guess what you are impling is that getting to trample all over the constitution was payment enough for all these nazi cops.
Gimme a break!!
If I remember correctly,didn't most of the N.O.P.D. desert their post during the disaster ? and then ,those that didn't,attack a Frail Old Lady ? Why didn't the N.O.P.D. round up the known criminals ? OH I know, little old ladys, are less of a threat to the P.D. than known Gang bangers! Nagin and his NAZI cohorts should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for their Unconstitutional acts,against WE THE PEOPLE, I'm in full support of the N.R.A.s law suit against N.O.
