Safer shopping through firearms.

[Coeloptera]

You know I love finding these...

WTHR - Indianapolis News and Weather - Customer pulls gun, stops robbery

"Indianapolis - It was a busy night Monday at Buck's IGA on the 3000 block of South Meridian Street. "Charlie," who didn't want his image or name used with this story, was in line to check out."

"According to police reports, Smith jumped over the counter demanding the cash. Charlie pulled his gun and started for the commotion."

"Charlie says was face to face with the suspect. 'He just stare and looked at me for a minute. I cocked it back and then, all of a sudden, he laid it down on the counter and put all the money down.'"

It's a rather...poorly written article, but hey, I like seeing some good use of a CCW, and this one is textbook perfect.

- Coeloptera

[two-70]

that is awesome

[Seabeescotty]

Hopefully, with the increase in CCW permits, and the increase in states that allow them, the scumbags will start fearing for their lives when thinking about commiting a crime, and just crawl back under their rock. I've seen some news here in Ok. that's very promising. The police even thanked a guy who foiled an armed robbery by shooting the perp. If they realize they can get killed, they might seek honest employment. Probably not true for all of 'em, some perps just never learn. And it's time to change the laws that allow a criminal to sue his victim for injuries recieved during the commision of a crime. Commit the crime, do the time(in a hot place, hopefully). Scotty

[ArkansasHunter]

Thumbs up for this feller !!!

[Seabeescotty]

Do the crime, expect to be smitten by a CCW holder! A.H., I truly believe the increase in CCw holders will deter crime. If the scumbags don't know who's armed, it will make them think twice about trying something stupid. We have D.C. as a perfect example right here in the USA. I think that disarming the folks in the Capital was a crime against humanity. That needs to be changed as soon as possible. Soon, the only places where crimes are commited will be the so-called "gun-free" zones. Think anyone on the hill will noticed? Scotty

[texnmidwest]

Violent crime is on the rise in Wisconsin. This is one of the few states where CCW is not allowed. The liberals are all yelling to get rid of the guns and enact more gun control laws. The stats say that if a CCW law were in effect violent criminal activity would decrease.

Of course, they blame the guns for the murders. Just like they should blame the pencils and keyboards for misspelled words.

Our fair Gov. thinks the state is safer now that he has twice vetoed the CCW. In the meantime young women are being raped on college campuses, mothers are being violated in front of their children in their own homes and the murder rate is rising every year. There are parts of our city where even the police do not want to go because the gangs control the streets. Yet the evil parking checkers will put a ticket on your car for parking in front of your own home with out a parking permit. They care more about where you park then where bullets fly and kill innocent people. It will only stop when the people stop tolerating such behaviors and take the steps necessary to make the streets safe. The police can not do it by themselves. They need empowered people. What thug can stand up to an entire neighborhood standing against them? What is that would be robber going to think if he ever wants to rob another business? Next time, the pistol may fire and he may loose his life. Not worth the couple bucks in the register.

Please Mr. Doyle, enact the CCW law.

[Seabeescotty]

Well put, Tex. Those latenight scumbags don't have much in the way of courage anyway. If they did, they'd be wearing a uniform and serving their country rather than preying on unarmed citizens. I've carried in one capacity or another for years, and never had a problem with perps. I think they can smell an armed citizen like a weasel can tell the difference between a chicken and a farmdog. If we all become farmdogs, the perps are out of business. Scotty

[troy2000]

Give the man a cigar; he done good. And I don't blame him for not wanting his face or name broadcast, even if he was packing legally.

[Coeloptera]

What I really like about this one is the level of apparent total control "Charlie" had through the whole encounter.

He assessed the threat, he acted quickly, he used exactly as much force and threat as he needed, but he seemed absolutely willing to end the guy if he was forced to. Bravo.

This, I think, demonstrates the difference between a responsible citizen and some wanna-be gunslinger.

*Sigh* I desperately need to get on this. It's cheap in my state and now that I've started purchasing (between my wife and I, we now own 3 firearms and counting), it's just a matter of saving up a bit, deciding what we each want for a CCW (it's a world of choice) and going ahead. I've been shooting for some years, but owning is new. It's nice to be settled in and have the extra cash.

Oh well, glad we get drilled on knife and gun defenses in Krav in the interim.

- Coeloptera

[Windwalker]

Yes, we do need a law prohibiting a person or persons or the survivors of same from filing any type of civil lawsuit for damage or injuries sustained while committing or fleeing from the scene of a crime. Charlie, you did a great job.

[Seabeescotty]

Now there's a law those cracksmokin' politicians need to get behind! One that protects law-abiding citizens instead of the crooks who try to prey on us. And I wasn't talking about the drug, Gotta a pretty good idea where some of 'em stick their noses. Ever notice who sticks real close together up on the hill? Scotty

[Cyrano]

Back in the days when I was a Merchant Marine officer and had my Shipboard Medical Technologist certification in addition to my license (merchant ships don't carry doctors; usually the Chief Mate is the ship's medical officer and the SMT training ranks above an EMT but below a physician's assistant), I kept up on the legal aspects of coming to the aid of people when not on duty in the United States. Many if not all states have laws on the books that grant immunity to medical professionals (doctors, registered nurses, EMTs, paramedics and the like) who come to the aid of injured people outside the normal workplace, such as administering CPR in a restaurant or patching up victims of a car wreck. The immunity means they cannot be sued for any harm that comes from their good-faith efforts on behalf of the victim.

We need laws like that to protect private citizens who come to the aid of crime victims with their firearms, expecially for CCW holders. The morons in the legislature and the legal profession seem to have forgotten that the crime victims are NOT the yahoos who do the robbing or the raping. A private citizen who has to shoot one of these antisocial types should no more be prosecuted than should someone who has to shoot a rabid dog or a diseased steer, in my opinion.

Contrary to the beliefs of the sheeple, it has been adjudicated that the police have no obligation whatsoever to protect private citizens. Their job is to protect the larger society, by catching criminals ex post facto. The logical extension of this perforce must be that the private citizens have the right to protect themselves from the criminals. And a "Good Samaritan Law" specifically addressing the issue as it impacts CCW holders and giving them immunity for their actions, just as the existing laws provide it for medical professionals, would be a good thing.

The antigun types would rave such a law would be giving carte blanche to the citizens to kill each other, of course. But just as must-issue CCW laws cause drops in crime across the board, a CCW Good Samaritan Law would do the same. Criminals are at bottom cowards. All it takes to stop them is an armed citizen standing up to them, weapon in hand, and saying, "NO," and shooting if necessary. If criminals can't tell who is armed and who just might be, they'll be much less inclined to commit crimes in public places.

Of course, we still need to do away with those all-you-can-shoot people-buffets called gun free zones, but a CCW Good Samaritan law would be a big step in the right direction.

[just_a_car]

Coeloptera, since it sounds like you're looking into carrying (and I assume that means you don't currently), I suggest checking into a quality retention holster. Personally, I use a Blackhawk CQC SERPA holster for my GLOCK 27. I am able to both OC and CC very well with it, even though it's outside my pants. The thing I like most about it is that there's no snap, just a lever that gets pressed to release the hold it has on the trigger guard.

Also, check to see if Open Carry (OC) is legal in your state, as that may be a more comfortable form of carry for you. You can take a look here: OpenCarry.org. I also belong to the forums over there and stick to mainly the Washington State forum.

[Coeloptera]

I'll look into a nice retention holster. I do like the idea of just a lever and no snap.

Currently, I don't own a firearm small enough to comfortably carry concealed. My personal pistol is a Taurus Model 608. That's an 8-shot .357 Magnum, with 6" barrel. About the only way to conceal that would be under my duster or leather coat.

Open carry is more problematic. I'm in Las Vegas and while the state technically allows OC, there's no way I'd be able to walk the streets or go into a casino or mall without being stopped by police. In fact, I've yet to see someone OC in this city yet.

Cars are easy though. That's not an issue. On the seat next to me is perfectly legal. Primarily, I need to decide what weapon I'll want for the CCW; something small and comfy, but with enough oomph that if I ever do have to use it, I won't have to spend very many rounds to end a threat. Then I have to spend money on that, take the classes, the whole deal.

- Coeloptera

[Seabeescotty]

I've got one of those Fobus holsters made in Isreal. It's form-fitted to the pistol and holds by pressure alone. Works pretty damn good, but there's only one way to wear it. It's a paddle and you have to wear it on your hip. Other than that, Ilike it. Scotty