SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint

skulker · 01-07-2008, 08:07 PM

WorldNetDaily: SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint

Rave · 01-08-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by skulker

WorldNetDaily: SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint

After reading the story it seems like medals,commendations,raises,and promotions are due all around for the wonderful job done by all.
Of course the child should be made a ward of the state,and the parents should be imprisoned for a period to be a lesson to all not to trifle with the all powerful gummint and it's elite enforcers!

A-10 · 01-08-2008, 08:23 AM

I spend a good bit of time with paramedics and EMT. Patient refusals are usually not something anyone gets terribly upset with let alone, enough to end up with Special Weapons And Tactics assaulting the home. This is a little touch of un-called-for overkill... at least from what they're telling us.

Windwalker · 01-08-2008, 09:25 AM

Hope his lawsuits are successful. Family rights have been kicked around enough.

Seabeescotty · 01-08-2008, 09:53 AM

I second the motion, Windwalker! By the way, how did you weather the latest storm? We got something over ten inches up on the hill here. Scotty

troy2000 · 01-08-2008, 10:13 AM

I think what happened was inexcusable. But it looks like the dad has managed to alienate and P.O. people all over the place. A little manners and tact on his part, both during this incident and previously in his dealings with people, and this might not have happened.

Again, I'm not saying that makes it all right...

ArkansasHunter · 01-08-2008, 10:50 AM

After reading I've determined the father is a weirdo ! We all have seen these types of people.Theres nothing at all wrong with trusting in the Lord but when they said he was a constitutionalist that makes me believe he's a radical type.
Calling out a SWAT team was uncalled for.
Theres a few "could haves" here and two being the child could of suffered a concushon or infection.
The department of human services should of been the only ones called.

It is an interest to me that the father was the religous type and resorted to his bible and he was known to, to spout out about constitutional rights.

All I can say is he's not liveing by what he reads in his Bible...A.H

Lizard · 01-08-2008, 10:59 AM

The paramedic was the one that kept pursuing the issue until he got his way. To me, it sounds like a clash of personalities between him and the father. I'm guessing that the paramedic is one of those people that gets really upset at scripture quoting individualists that object to wide ranging government powers, and when he ran into the father, it was like spark running into gunpowder.

However, we've seen deaths here in Oklahoma because social workers ignored indications of harm to a child. I bet the paramedic used that sort of reasoning as an excuse to pursue his dislike of the father. While that's a legitimate concern, there were quite a few individuals other than the father that examined the kid.

I agree with Troy, more tact on the father's part in dealing with the paramedic might have forestalled this. But, some people are just going to blow up when they meet you no matter what, it's just those special types of personalities.

I wish the court suit could go for the paramedic's accredidation. Instead of money, I think it's better to have that ripped off him so that he can't do it again to someone else.

I also take a lesson from the sheriff's statements about the father. Don't think you can say anything and not have it repeated to some ijjit with an office. I think a lot of the people on this list are paranoid -- but not paranoid enough. Maybe you post anonymously on this forum, but if you say those sorts of things to someone at work or in a booth at a restaurant or to a neighbor, there are control freaks that will start keeping track of you.

It just occurred to me that there wasn't anything about a cache of arms or ammunition found in the father's house. If they ever come into my home, the newspaper will report "huge cache of arms and thousands of rounds of ammunition". I suspect the same thing is true for a lot of people in rural areas that enjoy the shooting sports. But newspapers love that sort of stuff. If they broke a hole in the front door. I darn well expect that they searched the house. And if they had found any arms, that would have been reported. It seems strange that nothing was reported to be found.

troy2000 · 01-08-2008, 11:18 AM

Since there's nothing to indicate the father was considered armed and dangerous, I wonder why the sheriff thought it was necessary to punch through the door with a SWAT team instead of just knocking on it? He claims, "I vas chust followink orders" and obeying the magistrate, but it seems he enjoyed it a little too much.

I'd say that if the dad was a medic in Vietnam, his judgement on whether the kid needed medical attention was just as valid as the paramedic's opinion. And not wanting to pay for an unecessary emergency-room visit certainly makes sense to me...

A side-track: one of my boys was on a go-cart years ago, and some kids started harassing him and trying to pull him off it. So he ran over one (accidently, of course...). The dad came pounding on my door demanding that I pay to take his son to the emergency room to be checked over, and I told him if his kid needed medical attention he better shut up and get him there, and come argue with me later about who was going to pay. He called the Sheriff's Department, and didn't get any satisfaction from them either.

Strangely enough, when he couldn't get me to pay for it he decided the kid didn't need attention after all. And he had medical insurance through his work; he wouldn't even have been out more than a little co-pay.

musicmaniac · 01-08-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

I'd say that if the dad was a medic in Vietnam, his judgement on whether the kid needed medical attention was just as valid as the paramedic's opinion. And not wanting to pay for an unecessary emergency-room visit certainly makes sense to me...

Absolutely. It seems to me that they did say once the boy was confiscated and examined they released him immediately as well right? Crazy

jmp8927 · 01-08-2008, 11:42 AM

Wow...but yeah, it was completely against the father's rights to have the door burst down and take the son to the hospital. Also as stated, the father could have and should have been nicer. From what I read it sounds like he was hostile to everyone. About him being a radical, if that's true it doesn't surprise me that he acted as he did. My family used to be involved in some of that stuff until they saw how completely stupid it was. I forget now what group they were a part of, but others in the group were certainly radicals and were completely against our current government. Another thing that could possibly affected the father is with him being in Vietnam, his head might not be completely right. Some people came back psychologically damaged and are more prone to react violently in some cases. Hopefully that's not the case though.

jeff45 · 01-08-2008, 11:57 AM

As an EMT I see child neglect or abuse on an almost daily basis. All I am required to do is fill out a form and the boss sends it to CPS. Now if the child was OBVIOUSLY injured and required medical care then our protocol is to first talk with the parents and explain to them that junior needs to go to the ER. If that doesn't work then our only choice left is to call the PD and have them tell dad he will be arrested for abuse if he doesn't get let us take care of the kid. If dad says go ahead arrest me then we have implied consent to treat the child because dad isn't around to make the call and would want us to. This is only in true emergencies. So I figue the time needed to get the judge to sign it, mobilize the SWAT team and everything else is not really a life or death call. I think the medic was wrong to call the PD then the sheriffs. The family cannot file anything against the medic. Sounds like the cops coulda handled this a bit better.
J

damage855 · 01-08-2008, 12:20 PM

The SWAT raid happend 24hrs after the injury? WTF! I think this family will be awarded some cash it would be different if the injury was life threatning but come on if that much time has passed that should give you some clues. DUH.

samuel · 01-08-2008, 12:32 PM

They better not try that here!My wife will handle them severely if they do!Especially if I am the one that needs help. sam.

troy2000 · 01-08-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

They better not try that here!My wife will handle them severely if they do!Especially if I am the one that needs help. sam.

The female of the species is more deadly than the male...

GDawg · 01-08-2008, 02:03 PM

Are you sure that's a "REAL" (and true) story???

I don't think Glenwood Springs even HAS a SWAT team... unless deputy Barney called in some friends from Mount Pilot...

troy2000 · 01-08-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GDawg

Are you sure that's a "REAL" (and true) story???
I don't think Glenwood Springs even HAS a SWAT team... unless deputy Barney called in some friends from Mount Pilot...

According to the story, it was the County Sheriff's Department that was involved. I imagine there are very few County Sheriffs these days who can't scare up some sort of a SWAT team (or unreasonable facsimile thereof)) if they want to.

01-07-2008, 08:07 PM	#1
skulker Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 29	SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint WorldNetDaily: SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint

01-08-2008, 08:23 AM	#3
A-10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 732	I spend a good bit of time with paramedics and EMT. Patient refusals are usually not something anyone gets terribly upset with let alone, enough to end up with Special Weapons And Tactics assaulting the home. This is a little touch of un-called-for overkill... at least from what they're telling us. __________________ If there's nothing worth dying for, there's nothing worth living for.

01-08-2008, 09:53 AM	#5
Seabeescotty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jay, Oklahoma, God's country. Posts: 3,994 Images: 18 Blog Entries: 1	I second the motion, Windwalker! By the way, how did you weather the latest storm? We got something over ten inches up on the hill here. Scotty __________________ Adapt, improvise, overcome.-Gysgt Highway, Heartbreak Ridge

01-08-2008, 10:13 AM	#6
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,409 Images: 9	I think what happened was inexcusable. But it looks like the dad has managed to alienate and P.O. people all over the place. A little manners and tact on his part, both during this incident and previously in his dealings with people, and this might not have happened. Again, I'm not saying that makes it all right... __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

01-08-2008, 10:50 AM	#7
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,678	After reading I've determined the father is a weirdo ! We all have seen these types of people.Theres nothing at all wrong with trusting in the Lord but when they said he was a constitutionalist that makes me believe he's a radical type. Calling out a SWAT team was uncalled for. Theres a few "could haves" here and two being the child could of suffered a concushon or infection. The department of human services should of been the only ones called. It is an interest to me that the father was the religous type and resorted to his bible and he was known to, to spout out about constitutional rights. All I can say is he's not liveing by what he reads in his Bible...A.H Last edited by ArkansasHunter; 01-08-2008 at 10:53 AM.

01-08-2008, 09:25 AM	#4
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,541	Hope his lawsuits are successful. Family rights have been kicked around enough.

01-08-2008, 10:59 AM	#8
Lizard Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 129	The paramedic was the one that kept pursuing the issue until he got his way. To me, it sounds like a clash of personalities between him and the father. I'm guessing that the paramedic is one of those people that gets really upset at scripture quoting individualists that object to wide ranging government powers, and when he ran into the father, it was like spark running into gunpowder. However, we've seen deaths here in Oklahoma because social workers ignored indications of harm to a child. I bet the paramedic used that sort of reasoning as an excuse to pursue his dislike of the father. While that's a legitimate concern, there were quite a few individuals other than the father that examined the kid. I agree with Troy, more tact on the father's part in dealing with the paramedic might have forestalled this. But, some people are just going to blow up when they meet you no matter what, it's just those special types of personalities. I wish the court suit could go for the paramedic's accredidation. Instead of money, I think it's better to have that ripped off him so that he can't do it again to someone else. I also take a lesson from the sheriff's statements about the father. Don't think you can say anything and not have it repeated to some ijjit with an office. I think a lot of the people on this list are paranoid -- but not paranoid enough. Maybe you post anonymously on this forum, but if you say those sorts of things to someone at work or in a booth at a restaurant or to a neighbor, there are control freaks that will start keeping track of you. It just occurred to me that there wasn't anything about a cache of arms or ammunition found in the father's house. If they ever come into my home, the newspaper will report "huge cache of arms and thousands of rounds of ammunition". I suspect the same thing is true for a lot of people in rural areas that enjoy the shooting sports. But newspapers love that sort of stuff. If they broke a hole in the front door. I darn well expect that they searched the house. And if they had found any arms, that would have been reported. It seems strange that nothing was reported to be found. Last edited by Lizard; 01-08-2008 at 11:05 AM. Reason: sudden realization of what WASN'T reported

01-08-2008, 11:18 AM	#9
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,409 Images: 9	Since there's nothing to indicate the father was considered armed and dangerous, I wonder why the sheriff thought it was necessary to punch through the door with a SWAT team instead of just knocking on it? He claims, "I vas chust followink orders" and obeying the magistrate, but it seems he enjoyed it a little too much. I'd say that if the dad was a medic in Vietnam, his judgement on whether the kid needed medical attention was just as valid as the paramedic's opinion. And not wanting to pay for an unecessary emergency-room visit certainly makes sense to me... A side-track: one of my boys was on a go-cart years ago, and some kids started harassing him and trying to pull him off it. So he ran over one (accidently, of course...). The dad came pounding on my door demanding that I pay to take his son to the emergency room to be checked over, and I told him if his kid needed medical attention he better shut up and get him there, and come argue with me later about who was going to pay. He called the Sheriff's Department, and didn't get any satisfaction from them either. Strangely enough, when he couldn't get me to pay for it he decided the kid didn't need attention after all. And he had medical insurance through his work; he wouldn't even have been out more than a little co-pay. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 01-08-2008 at 11:43 AM.

01-08-2008, 11:42 AM	#11
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 1,136 Images: 15	Wow...but yeah, it was completely against the father's rights to have the door burst down and take the son to the hospital. Also as stated, the father could have and should have been nicer. From what I read it sounds like he was hostile to everyone. About him being a radical, if that's true it doesn't surprise me that he acted as he did. My family used to be involved in some of that stuff until they saw how completely stupid it was. I forget now what group they were a part of, but others in the group were certainly radicals and were completely against our current government. Another thing that could possibly affected the father is with him being in Vietnam, his head might not be completely right. Some people came back psychologically damaged and are more prone to react violently in some cases. Hopefully that's not the case though. __________________ Doing the unexpected makes the unexpected the expected and thus the expected becomes the unexpected.

01-08-2008, 11:57 AM	#12
jeff45 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I'm a troll in MI Posts: 23	As an EMT I see child neglect or abuse on an almost daily basis. All I am required to do is fill out a form and the boss sends it to CPS. Now if the child was OBVIOUSLY injured and required medical care then our protocol is to first talk with the parents and explain to them that junior needs to go to the ER. If that doesn't work then our only choice left is to call the PD and have them tell dad he will be arrested for abuse if he doesn't get let us take care of the kid. If dad says go ahead arrest me then we have implied consent to treat the child because dad isn't around to make the call and would want us to. This is only in true emergencies. So I figue the time needed to get the judge to sign it, mobilize the SWAT team and everything else is not really a life or death call. I think the medic was wrong to call the PD then the sheriffs. The family cannot file anything against the medic. Sounds like the cops coulda handled this a bit better. J

01-08-2008, 12:20 PM	#13
damage855 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina / Lake Norman Posts: 927 Blog Entries: 1	The SWAT raid happend 24hrs after the injury? WTF! I think this family will be awarded some cash it would be different if the injury was life threatning but come on if that much time has passed that should give you some clues. DUH. __________________ If total goverment control will make us all safer, then why are prisons so dangerous?

01-08-2008, 12:32 PM	#14
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	They better not try that here!My wife will handle them severely if they do!Especially if I am the one that needs help. sam.

01-08-2008, 02:03 PM	#16
GDawg Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Not in Colorado... anymore... Posts: 872	Are you sure that's a "REAL" (and true) story??? I don't think Glenwood Springs even HAS a SWAT team... unless deputy Barney called in some friends from Mount Pilot...