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texnmidwest · 01-09-2008, 06:06 AM

Mostly by the time the "idiot light" turns on it is way too late. I have had engines completely seize with out any dash light or warning light come on. I have had a car overheat and the temp gauge say the engine temp was normal. Plus, most do not think about what the light means. Hence the term "idiot light"

ghost_raven · 01-09-2008, 06:07 AM

Well... if you're going to use bad smells in their cars, I have two words: stink bait.

I'm not sure who got the idea of using chicken blood for fish bait, but that is one of the best things I know of for any prank/deterrent... and dogs seem to love the stuff, for some reason.

samuel · 01-09-2008, 06:18 AM

Owning land in Indiana I feel you should know how the tresspass law works in that state as explained to me by a sherrif,s dept.:First,you post no trespassing signs, when you see a trespasser on your property,you go to the trespasser and inform them they are trespassing.If they fail to leave,or return,you call the sherrif,s dept..They will tell you to go out and inform the trespasser that they are trespassing.If they fail to leave or return you must call the sheriff,s dept.,get the officer working the complaint.and he will come out and inform the trespasser he is trespassing.(this is assumong the officer isnt busy on something else).If the trespasser fails to leave,or returns,the officer has the discression to escourt them from the property or arrest them,which ever the officer chooses.He can also decide the trespasser is doing no harm and drop the complaint.You then have the option of going to the prosicuting attourney and setting up an appointment to discuss the complaint further.If there is an arrest made,even if the defendant pleads guilty,you must appear in court in case they need you.Otherwise the complaint could be dropped.If you set trap,s,damage personal property,delay or restrain,endanger person or property,or cause any happening to occur,that restrains person or troperty,you will more than likely be charged with illegal detension,which could be a felony. sam.

troy2000 · 01-09-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Mostly by the time the "idiot light" turns on it is way too late. I have had engines completely seize with out any dash light or warning light come on. I have had a car overheat and the temp gauge say the engine temp was normal. Plus, most do not think about what the light means. Hence the term "idiot light"

I agree. I've always assumed they were called idiot lights because by the time they come on (especially temperature), they're telling you, "hey, idiot. You just ruined your engine..."

First thing I do with any vehicle I buy is put decent gauges in, if it doesn't already have them.

.22hustler · 01-09-2008, 05:39 PM

Whenever my buddy found a tree stand on his 400+ acres, he simply cut the tree down. He needs the firewood anyways...

CrazyIvan · 01-09-2008, 05:51 PM

I agree with all the comments regarding finding their cars. Get a nice 4x4, leave their car in park or whatever, hook up some tow ropes and drag it down the road a few miles, leave it in a ditch. Don't break into the car, just 'move' it for them. You'll have some fun with their transmission/clutch as well as throw them for a loop when there car is gone. If a door is unlocked, take anything out of it that is not attached, except junk or trash and leave it in a smoldering pile next to the vehicles place of rest. Then stuff some fish guts down into their heater box if you can.

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Originally Posted by .22hustler

Whenever my buddy found a tree stand on his 400+ acres, he simply cut the tree down. He needs the firewood anyways...

While the hunters are still in the stand? hehe, that might be entertaining...

SilverRun · 01-09-2008, 05:53 PM

Buy the biggest meanest dog you can find - then make sure your homeowners policy is paid up!

Big Dog · 01-09-2008, 07:44 PM

Fine black trip-wire, and some loud and bright fireworks.
They either get to enjoy a nice light show - or they get the bejeezus scared out of them. And you hear the 'alarm', and know they are back again.

Their dogs won't want to come back . . .

Nelson · 01-10-2008, 02:11 PM

Put up some "warning:minefield" signs

samuel · 01-10-2008, 02:43 PM

In any state in the U.S.,if you knowingly set a trap that can cause bodily harm to another person,and in some cases animals you will be arested and possibly charged with a felony.If you take or destroy someone elses prpoerty,you will face charges.If you think so little of yourself that you would ruin your own life to stop a trespasser that can be taken care of legally,go for it.The world probably wont miss you much or for very long. sam.

Idaho Dave · 01-10-2008, 04:05 PM

I dunno maybe I'm stupid, or its just the overly freindly out west attitude of mine. But I put up "hunting by permission only" signs that have our number. we get an occasional call or some one will drop by the house and let us know where they want to go and what they are looking for. most of them do a fine job of closing gates and cleaning up after themselves. stop by and offer meat sometimes. Of course there are only a few folk around and they are pretty much all our friends, now anyway. the only voilators are hunters from out of state. and a piddling little 3 or 4 hundred acres is nothing to the millions of public access acres just on the other side of the fence. folks really only come over if they are looking for injured game or game they are tracking. And I wouldnt want them to just leave anything to die on my land and go to waste. But, then it seemed to me that you get more respect and cooperation from other hunters and outdoorsmen if you dont try to lock up the game god put here for everyone. course, no tresspass signs are just red and black bullet magnets round here anyway. the only people who have them up are the ones that dont really even live here at least not year round and should I drive by and see one of them type messing with one of my buddys trucks, well I'd becareful about messing with another guys car/truck especially if they are armed. Wouldnt want to get caught, that is a good way to find yourself under a few inches of dirt and leaves. just think about it, you were considering shooting (to warn of course) threatening shots at someone for walking on your ground, imagine what you and your mosin would do if you came upon some one under or messing with your vehicle. maybe this is still too podunk, closed in and tight nit, but here I would have grabbed my gun and gone out to help shoot what ever it was them fellers was hunting. Corse unless it was someone that had screwed with thier truck, then I would have just gone back in and watched some TV. always considered a new friend a lot better then an enemy. besides, maybe they can give you some tips on your trapping ventures. Just my opinion

.22hustler · 01-11-2008, 07:39 AM

Very well said, Idaho Dave..

Magnumsrule · 01-11-2008, 03:48 PM

Your telling me that if the courts think that the people where doing no harm on your land that they can throw the case out?

Seabeescotty · 01-11-2008, 04:24 PM

I had a couple of fellers roadhunt my driveway all the way to the back of the meadow, where a couple of my friends were hunting. I wasn't able to get to them before they turned around and drove back out. Being fairly new to the area, I went to the sheriff's dept. and asked them what I should do about it. They asked if my land was posted and I said yes, I have private property signs at the head of the drive. They said if it happened again, to hold the culprits until they could come and gather them up. I asked how, and they told me to my face, "you have a highpowered rifle and know where to shoot to disable a vehicle, don't you?" I said yes, and luckily haven't had to try that method. The fella who told me that was a captain, and they're supposed to know the law, so I assumed that he knew what he was talking about. But I decided to barricade the drive, so I wouldn't have to test the theory. And lucky for me, there's only one way into my land. I seriously don't want to instigate a gunfight over anything that I can control otherwise. Scotty

Idaho Dave · 01-11-2008, 06:47 PM

i'd be careful, police aren't judges, nor are they lawyers, I worked for years in the court system and most officers, captains included, have only a rudimentery understanding of the law, that is why many of the people they arrest go free and we have DA's, defence attornies and grand jurys. you should read this on deadly force use in oklahoma prior to getting sued so that you lose your land. Also you might ask a judge or lawyer about shooting someones car to stop them from going off, leaving, your private drive posted or not as in your state trespass is not a feloney. In some states you cant even shoot an intruder in your domicile if they act like they are trying to leave and you are going to shoot into/at someones car, people with guns, to stop them from leaving? (instead of hoping not to instigate a gun fight I think you should prepare for one for the moment you use deadly force in thier direction they will most certainly be inclined to return the favor. If you dont belive me you need to be shot at a couple times)
OSCN Found Document:Physical or Deadly Force Against Intruder
and this
OSCN Found Document:Justifiable Use of Deadly Force in Defense of Habitation
A person may resist a trespass on real property in his possession, where such trespass does not amount to a felony, and may eject the trespasser therefrom by the use of any reasonable force short of taking or endangering human life; but if he is unable to prevent a trespass, where no felony is attempted, by any means short of taking or endangering human life, he must suffer the trespass and seek redress at the hands of the law rather than commit homicide.
The tresspassers lawyer, the one the get after you shoot thier vehicle to disable it with them inside, will probably easily be able to talk a jury into beliving you endangered them (as will the district attorny no doubt) then there will be another news paper headline of another crazy gun toting feind shooting aimlessly at people just driving a car.
My god I love my place, but my little ranch is not worth drawing and firing on someone for trespassing, but then I have walked right up on folks (with my sidearm secure in its holster we always have them with us, even in town sometimes) and asked them what they were doing. I mean if they were trying to get me, my family, steal or take from me I can see it, but because they walked across a field or drove a car down a road some people are gonna shoot/shoot at someone? Like I said maybe its the rural, out west hick in me, but I cant imagine thinking like that. I would probably be happy to see some other people and try and make friends. But good luck

after scratching my head for awhile I began to think that I would rather have the trespassers then LOE just about anyday, accept my daughter of course

Magnumsrule · 01-11-2008, 08:23 PM

Thats what i kinda thought will reading this thread. I couldnt beleive that people would suggest shooting at someone in order to stop them from leaving your property or to stop them from entering it. If they refuse to leave call teh cops. If that dosnt work like it sound like it never does, buy a paintball gun an lightem up with that. They should be easy to distinguish after that!

troy2000 · 01-11-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

Thats what i kinda thought will reading this thread. I couldnt beleive that people would suggest shooting at someone in order to stop them from leaving your property or to stop them from entering it. If they refuse to leave call teh cops. If that dosnt work like it sound like it never does, buy a paintball gun an lightem up with that. They should be easy to distinguish after that!

Are you seriously suggesting using a paint gun on coon hunters, Mag? That's kind of like taking a knife to a gun fight, only worse...

Magnumsrule · 01-11-2008, 09:16 PM

Are you seriously suggesting shootin a bunch of losers and sending urself to prison for 25 years? We dont have "coon" hunters here but any outdoor enthusist that i know would not shoot you becaue you shot em witha paitball. If they are tresspassin then you got the right to do somethin abou t it. If youve read what was said above you cant really take a gun with you without screwing urself over somehow. By paintballin um the police could pick em up easier as well.

JBS · 01-11-2008, 09:22 PM

I'm with Idaho Dave...Probably be glad to see some people and have someone to talk to, for a change. Maybe make some buddies, too.

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Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

Thats what i kinda thought will reading this thread. I couldnt beleive that people would suggest shooting at someone in order to stop them from leaving your property or to stop them from entering it. If they refuse to leave call teh cops. If that dosnt work like it sound like it never does, buy a paintball gun an lightem up with that. They should be easy to distinguish after that!

You do whatever you want to, up there in Canada. But, if you ever come down here, you might ought to re-think that paint ball gun thing.

troy2000 · 01-11-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

Are you seriously suggesting shootin a bunch of losers and sending urself to prison for 25 years? We dont have "coon" hunters here but any outdoor enthusist that i know would not shoot you becaue you shot em witha paitball. If they are tresspassin then you got the right to do somethin abou t it. If youve read what was said above you cant really take a gun with you without screwing urself over somehow. By paintballin um the police could pick em up easier as well.

You ever been hit by a paintball? Those things hurt like !@#$ and leave big welts.

I'm not suggesting that you go shoot a bunch of losers with a real gun; I'm suggesting that if you unexpectedly hit an armed man with a paintball, you stand a good chance of him shooting you with a real gun.

01-09-2008, 06:06 AM	#21
texnmidwest Senior Bear Fluffer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 2,964 Trader Rating: (0)	Mostly by the time the "idiot light" turns on it is way too late. I have had engines completely seize with out any dash light or warning light come on. I have had a car overheat and the temp gauge say the engine temp was normal. Plus, most do not think about what the light means. Hence the term "idiot light" __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

01-09-2008, 06:18 AM	#23
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,050 Trader Rating: (0)	Owning land in Indiana I feel you should know how the tresspass law works in that state as explained to me by a sherrif,s dept.:First,you post no trespassing signs, when you see a trespasser on your property,you go to the trespasser and inform them they are trespassing.If they fail to leave,or return,you call the sherrif,s dept..They will tell you to go out and inform the trespasser that they are trespassing.If they fail to leave or return you must call the sheriff,s dept.,get the officer working the complaint.and he will come out and inform the trespasser he is trespassing.(this is assumong the officer isnt busy on something else).If the trespasser fails to leave,or returns,the officer has the discression to escourt them from the property or arrest them,which ever the officer chooses.He can also decide the trespasser is doing no harm and drop the complaint.You then have the option of going to the prosicuting attourney and setting up an appointment to discuss the complaint further.If there is an arrest made,even if the defendant pleads guilty,you must appear in court in case they need you.Otherwise the complaint could be dropped.If you set trap,s,damage personal property,delay or restrain,endanger person or property,or cause any happening to occur,that restrains person or troperty,you will more than likely be charged with illegal detension,which could be a felony. sam. Last edited by samuel; 01-09-2008 at 06:20 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

01-09-2008, 07:44 PM	#28
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,020 Trader Rating: (0)	Fine black trip-wire, and some loud and bright fireworks. They either get to enjoy a nice light show - or they get the bejeezus scared out of them. And you hear the 'alarm', and know they are back again. Their dogs won't want to come back . . . __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

01-10-2008, 04:05 PM	#31
Idaho Dave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 486 Trader Rating: (0)	I dunno maybe I'm stupid, or its just the overly freindly out west attitude of mine. But I put up "hunting by permission only" signs that have our number. we get an occasional call or some one will drop by the house and let us know where they want to go and what they are looking for. most of them do a fine job of closing gates and cleaning up after themselves. stop by and offer meat sometimes. Of course there are only a few folk around and they are pretty much all our friends, now anyway. the only voilators are hunters from out of state. and a piddling little 3 or 4 hundred acres is nothing to the millions of public access acres just on the other side of the fence. folks really only come over if they are looking for injured game or game they are tracking. And I wouldnt want them to just leave anything to die on my land and go to waste. But, then it seemed to me that you get more respect and cooperation from other hunters and outdoorsmen if you dont try to lock up the game god put here for everyone. course, no tresspass signs are just red and black bullet magnets round here anyway. the only people who have them up are the ones that dont really even live here at least not year round and should I drive by and see one of them type messing with one of my buddys trucks, well I'd becareful about messing with another guys car/truck especially if they are armed. Wouldnt want to get caught, that is a good way to find yourself under a few inches of dirt and leaves. just think about it, you were considering shooting (to warn of course) threatening shots at someone for walking on your ground, imagine what you and your mosin would do if you came upon some one under or messing with your vehicle. maybe this is still too podunk, closed in and tight nit, but here I would have grabbed my gun and gone out to help shoot what ever it was them fellers was hunting. Corse unless it was someone that had screwed with thier truck, then I would have just gone back in and watched some TV. always considered a new friend a lot better then an enemy. besides, maybe they can give you some tips on your trapping ventures. Just my opinion __________________ Living the life Last edited by Idaho Dave; 01-10-2008 at 04:08 PM.

01-11-2008, 03:48 PM	#33
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 586 Trader Rating: (0)	Your telling me that if the courts think that the people where doing no harm on your land that they can throw the case out? __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

01-09-2008, 06:07 AM	#22
ghost_raven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 408 Trader Rating: (0)	Well... if you're going to use bad smells in their cars, I have two words: stink bait. I'm not sure who got the idea of using chicken blood for fish bait, but that is one of the best things I know of for any prank/deterrent... and dogs seem to love the stuff, for some reason.

01-09-2008, 05:39 PM	#25
.22hustler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 738 Trader Rating: (0)	Whenever my buddy found a tree stand on his 400+ acres, he simply cut the tree down. He needs the firewood anyways...

01-09-2008, 05:53 PM	#27
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,659 Trader Rating: (0)	Buy the biggest meanest dog you can find - then make sure your homeowners policy is paid up!

01-10-2008, 02:11 PM	#29
Nelson Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 14 Trader Rating: (0)	Put up some "warning:minefield" signs

01-10-2008, 02:43 PM	#30
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,050 Trader Rating: (0)	In any state in the U.S.,if you knowingly set a trap that can cause bodily harm to another person,and in some cases animals you will be arested and possibly charged with a felony.If you take or destroy someone elses prpoerty,you will face charges.If you think so little of yourself that you would ruin your own life to stop a trespasser that can be taken care of legally,go for it.The world probably wont miss you much or for very long. sam.

01-11-2008, 07:39 AM	#32
.22hustler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 738 Trader Rating: (0)	Very well said, Idaho Dave..

01-11-2008, 04:24 PM	#34
Seabeescotty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jay, Oklahoma, God's country. Posts: 3,678 Trader Rating: (0)	I had a couple of fellers roadhunt my driveway all the way to the back of the meadow, where a couple of my friends were hunting. I wasn't able to get to them before they turned around and drove back out. Being fairly new to the area, I went to the sheriff's dept. and asked them what I should do about it. They asked if my land was posted and I said yes, I have private property signs at the head of the drive. They said if it happened again, to hold the culprits until they could come and gather them up. I asked how, and they told me to my face, "you have a highpowered rifle and know where to shoot to disable a vehicle, don't you?" I said yes, and luckily haven't had to try that method. The fella who told me that was a captain, and they're supposed to know the law, so I assumed that he knew what he was talking about. But I decided to barricade the drive, so I wouldn't have to test the theory. And lucky for me, there's only one way into my land. I seriously don't want to instigate a gunfight over anything that I can control otherwise. Scotty __________________ Adapt, improvise, overcome.-Gysgt Highway, Heartbreak Ridge

01-11-2008, 06:47 PM	#35
Idaho Dave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 486 Trader Rating: (0)	i'd be careful, police aren't judges, nor are they lawyers, I worked for years in the court system and most officers, captains included, have only a rudimentery understanding of the law, that is why many of the people they arrest go free and we have DA's, defence attornies and grand jurys. you should read this on deadly force use in oklahoma prior to getting sued so that you lose your land. Also you might ask a judge or lawyer about shooting someones car to stop them from going off, leaving, your private drive posted or not as in your state trespass is not a feloney. In some states you cant even shoot an intruder in your domicile if they act like they are trying to leave and you are going to shoot into/at someones car, people with guns, to stop them from leaving? (instead of hoping not to instigate a gun fight I think you should prepare for one for the moment you use deadly force in thier direction they will most certainly be inclined to return the favor. If you dont belive me you need to be shot at a couple times) OSCN Found Document:Physical or Deadly Force Against Intruder and this OSCN Found Document:Justifiable Use of Deadly Force in Defense of Habitation A person may resist a trespass on real property in his possession, where such trespass does not amount to a felony, and may eject the trespasser therefrom by the use of any reasonable force *short* of taking or endangering human life; but if he is unable to prevent a trespass, where no felony is attempted, by any means short of taking or endangering human life, he must suffer the trespass and seek redress at the hands of the law rather than commit homicide. The tresspassers lawyer, the one the get after you shoot thier vehicle to disable it with them inside, will probably easily be able to talk a jury into beliving you endangered them (as will the district attorny no doubt) then there will be another news paper headline of another crazy gun toting feind shooting aimlessly at people just driving a car. My god I love my place, but my little ranch is not worth drawing and firing on someone for trespassing, but then I have walked right up on folks (with my sidearm secure in its holster we always have them with us, even in town sometimes) and asked them what they were doing. I mean if they were trying to get me, my family, steal or take from me I can see it, but because they walked across a field or drove a car down a road some people are gonna shoot/shoot at someone? Like I said maybe its the rural, out west hick in me, but I cant imagine thinking like that. I would probably be happy to see some other people and try and make friends. But good luck after scratching my head for awhile I began to think that I would rather have the trespassers then LOE just about anyday, accept my daughter of course __________________ Living the life Last edited by Idaho Dave; 01-11-2008 at 07:54 PM.

01-11-2008, 08:23 PM	#36
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 586 Trader Rating: (0)	Thats what i kinda thought will reading this thread. I couldnt beleive that people would suggest shooting at someone in order to stop them from leaving your property or to stop them from entering it. If they refuse to leave call teh cops. If that dosnt work like it sound like it never does, buy a paintball gun an lightem up with that. They should be easy to distinguish after that! __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

01-11-2008, 09:16 PM	#38
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 586 Trader Rating: (0)	Are you seriously suggesting shootin a bunch of losers and sending urself to prison for 25 years? We dont have "coon" hunters here but any outdoor enthusist that i know would not shoot you becaue you shot em witha paitball. If they are tresspassin then you got the right to do somethin abou t it. If youve read what was said above you cant really take a gun with you without screwing urself over somehow. By paintballin um the police could pick em up easier as well. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!