[Scoutmaster]

Quote:       Originally Posted by big boomer

How ever consider this, nothing is ever slightly wounded by a 45-70(ha ha)

Only the pride of a .450 Marlin owner. LOL
Don

[samuel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by big boomer

The 30-06 is still the one that every one else tries to compare themselves to, its a good choice. How ever consider this, nothing is ever slightly wounded by a 45-70(ha ha)

Beg to differ on that.About 5 times I have helped track animals that were shot with a .45-70 and traveled a long ways.No matter how big they are,they cant make up for bad shooting.I personally have never used one on anything live,but cant emagine one being lacking in capability,s if the shooter does their part. sam.

[Magnumsrule]

The common misconception is the bigger the better. In this case people think that a large diameter buller will produce good results. On the contraty all it does is take away from accuracy and penetration. Just my thoughts but i think this certain cartridge is past it time.

[win39]

I to find it to be a misconception that bigger is better. Since I learned my lesson I have never used over a hundred gr. bullet for deer. I use a 25/06 with a 100 gr. speer and I would say that 98 % of the deer dropped when they were hit, and the other 2% did not go more then 10 yards. I started out using a 35 Rem. with a 180m gr. bullet and almost every deer ran, and had to be tracked. What ever you decide don't let anyone talk you into the biggest bullet you can find. (Speed kills). If your only going to own one gun for everything then I vote for the 30/06 but if your going to own more then one then I vote for the 270. I like being different also.

[okole]

Quote:       Originally Posted by samuel

Beg to differ on that.About 5 times I have helped track animals that were shot with a .45-70 and traveled a long ways.No matter how big they are,they cant make up for bad shooting.I personally have never used one on anything live,but cant emagine one being lacking in capability,s if the shooter does their part. sam.

Yep, blame the caliber, not the shooters poor shooting. Bet they closed their eyes when they pulled the trigger. Poorly hit game will most always travel regardless of caliber.

[billy]

the thread that wouldnt die!
let's argue some more!

i dont know anyone around here that only has one hunting rifle.
ive got 6 in 4 different calibers myself and i dont hunt!

[rasterman77]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

the thread that wouldnt die! let's argue some more! i dont know anyone around here that only has one hunting rifle. ive got 6 in 4 different calibers myself and i dont hunt!

I wonder what kind of caliber it would take to kill this tenacious thread!? LOL

[Magnumsrule]

HEy billy what two calibers do you have to rifles in?

[billy]

.22 and .308win.

[Magnumsrule]

Sweet, im thinking of getting another 22 my self either that or a 6.5 cal.

[evilblackrifle]

Quote:       Originally Posted by dixierat

All right, first question since joining. I need some experienced opinions here: 1) I hunt in North Florida mainly. 2) I may get to hunt szome in Arkansas with my BIL, possibly OK and/or LA as well. 3) I'll be hunting white tails, primarily. The question is, what caliber rifle would be best for all around? In FL, I doubt I'll get any shots over 100 yds, definitely not over 300 yds. I've never hunted the other 2 states, so I don't know what to expect. I've been considering 30-06 or Win. 270, but after reading here some, I wonder if I shouldn't step up to a 300 WSM. All advice appreciated.

300 is over-kill. 30-06 sounds like the ticket. Or .308 (I soo love the versatility of the >308 round - even though its more than needed a lot of the time).

[Magnumsrule]

OK im sorry but i find this amusing. On one forum people are talking about how the 30-06 and the 300 are very close. Only separated by a few hundred fps. Now on this forum people are saying that the 300 is overkill. I think that either is capeable when loaded right. However the 300 has the ability to take larger animals with more ease. You can load the 300 down to 150s for deer, and up to 180s for elk and moose or just use 180s. The 30-06 and the 308 are slightly behind the 300s but i dont see that they can be alright for deer but the 300 cant.

[SwedeSteve]

Good point Magnums. You can't have your venison and eat it too!

[rasterman77]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

OK im sorry but i find this amusing. On one forum people are talking about how the 30-06 and the 300 are very close. Only separated by a few hundred fps. Now on this forum people are saying that the 300 is overkill. I think that either is capeable when loaded right. However the 300 has the ability to take larger animals with more ease. You can load the 300 down to 150s for deer, and up to 180s for elk and moose or just use 180s. The 30-06 and the 308 are slightly behind the 300s but i dont see that they can be alright for deer but the 300 cant.

Ok Magnum, gotta bug ya, you said the .303 Brit is more than adequate for big game in one thread but that a magnum was required in another (like the fellows you commented on), we all do this self contradiction.. it depends on envirement, distance etc. but as a general rule .300 mag would be a bit big for deer. Remember this.. http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/big...bers-game.html

[thebigitch62]

Have you considered a 25-06 it shoots great and with 115-120 gr bullets it fine for deer. and with lighter bullets varmits need to beware.

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

The common misconception is the bigger the better. In this case people think that a large diameter buller will produce good results. On the contraty all it does is take away from accuracy and penetration. Just my thoughts but i think this certain cartridge is past it time.

Not to mention that most big bore cartridges have a piss poor trajectory, and they shed energy very quickly.

[varmit_slayer]

I don't agree with Midas. Small calibers do shoot much flatter up to about 500 yards, then they drop like crazy. larger rounds don't shoot as flat up close as a hot .22, but they have more momentum that allow them to reach way out. I'm not saying the 300 isn't over kill for most situations, but I like to be overprepared.

[Magnumsrule]

Nice try Rasterman! I did not say that a magnum was "required" for big game, merely that it should be prefered to take game. Varmit Slayer, how many times does a person ever shoot at game over 500 yards? Over 300 yards even?
OK, to settle this dispute please veiw the enclosed pics. They show that the 300 win mag has 600 foot pounds of energy more than the 30 -06. You can also see that the bullets with heavier grains stuck in smaller cartridges have terrible trajectories and energies as they slope downwards fast. This would seem to contradict previous statements. Just my two cents...

[rasterman77]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

Nice try Rasterman! I did not say that a magnum was "required" for big game, merely that it should be prefered to take game. Varmit Slayer, how many times does a person ever shoot at game over 500 yards? Over 300 yards even? OK, to settle this dispute please veiw the enclosed pics. They show that the 300 win mag has 600 foot pounds of energy more than the 30 -06. You can also see that the bullets with heavier grains stuck in smaller cartridges have terrible trajectories and energies as they slope downwards fast. This would seem to contradict previous statements. Just my two cents...

I notice that I learn more when trying to illustrate a point than when someone tells me information.. how about you? You probably learned alot researching the graphs and such.. but to be fair the ammo should all be the same, you don't want the B.C. affecting the equation. The one load, Noslar Accubond 180 gr. was a fair comparison. I know it's hard to find them all in the same shell but it's the only way to truly compare.. it would be like comparing two different motors but in different shaped cars.. the two diff. motors would have to be put into two identical cars to properly compare the engines.
Oh, by the way, you don't have to sell me on the benefits of the .300 it's an awesome caliber, I just believe a "best general" caliber has versatility from ground hogs or paper targets to bear, cost effective/easy to find ammo.. anywhere.., can be purchased in any make and model of rifle, proven track record, and easy to shoot for any size/sex of shooter. Can someone tell me the caliber to fit this bill?

[Magnumsrule]

The ammo is all the same, cept for the 303 and the 45-70 which only come in like one loading so you dont have much to choose from..... I think by your standards lited above that an uninvented round is needed. lol Something for everyone. I wish i had it!