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Old 01-23-2008, 09:53 PM   #61
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If you're only shooting at 100 or even 200 yards, go with the rifle you like best, choose the caliber after. I use a 7mm Rem Mag more than anything else I own, but wouldn't say it's for your style of hunting - probably overkill. Definitely consider the .308 - can be had in leverguns, semi's, whatever you like, and with the low recoil and inherent caliber accuracy you won't be sorry - heck, you might love packing around a big bore Marlin lever like my .45-70 XLR!
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Old 01-27-2008, 10:45 PM   #62
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Muzzleloaders are legal here but there is no special season for them, they are to be used in regular rifle season only.
6mm ppc is like a wildcat with the parent cartridge being the 7.62x39.
I've yet to read or learn why sharp shouldered shells (fun to say) always seem to be more inherently accurate.
The ppc line of benchrest cartridges are actually based on the 220 Russian case.

Very good question regarding the sharp-shouldered cases! I`ve never seen anything about it either except to try to increase case capacity very slightly.My guess is that the inherent accuracy these cases seem to have is because these are generally hand-loaded wildcats.They are almost always fire-formed and then only neck-sized resulting in optimum case to chamber tolerances and perfectly controlled headspace.To add the icing on the cake,these cartridges will normally see a custom tailored hand-load ideally suited to that individual rifle.Sound reasonable?
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Old 01-28-2008, 02:09 PM   #63
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The ppc line of benchrest cartridges are actually based on the 220 Russian case.

Very good question regarding the sharp-shouldered cases! I`ve never seen anything about it either except to try to increase case capacity very slightly.My guess is that the inherent accuracy these cases seem to have is because these are generally hand-loaded wildcats.They are almost always fire-formed and then only neck-sized resulting in optimum case to chamber tolerances and perfectly controlled headspace.To add the icing on the cake,these cartridges will normally see a custom tailored hand-load ideally suited to that individual rifle.Sound reasonable?
The 220 russian parent case is the 7.62x39 so I guess I should have said 6mm ppc's grandparent case, LOL.
Your explaination of the accuracy of sharp shouldered cases makes sense only that .308 stock ammo is also more inherently accurate than let's say the 17 degree angle 30-06. I've read that the .308/7mm-08/.243 are more accurate because of the stout , sharp shouldered case but not why the case made such a difference. There also seems to be a limit to the advantage as well because we are now seeing that short magnums are not a real advantage in the accuracy area even though they share the characteristics of the case with inherently accurate cartridges.
There is, of couse, other good reasons for using the short, fat cartridge it would be more "efficient" than the traditional long, narrow cartridge, as more of the powder column would be in the immediate vicinity of the primer as it detonated.. maybe the even powder burn helps accaracy..??
Maybe the headspacing is more accurate on even "stock" rifles with the stout case/caliber..??
I've read things that have eluded to this but no proof as of yet.
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Old 01-28-2008, 08:24 PM   #64
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Wasn`t aware of the connection between the two cases.Thanks for the info.All of the points you have made make perfect sense and I believe you are on the right track.I don`t have the answer either,but the point I was making was in reference to the really sharp shoulders- in excess of the 28 degrees that say a 300 or 7mmWM carries.I don`t remember seeing much about this in P.O.Ackley`s books,but sounds like something to reseach more closely. Any ideas from you hand-loaders or wildcatters?Won`t be able to sleep properly now!This would make a good thread!
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I don't agree with Midas. Small calibers do shoot much flatter up to about 500 yards, then they drop like crazy. larger rounds don't shoot as flat up close as a hot .22, but they have more momentum that allow them to reach way out. I'm not saying the 300 isn't over kill for most situations, but I like to be overprepared.
Are you saying that a .416 Rigby will reach out farther than a .300 Win Mag? do you even know what constitutes a big bore? when I speak of a big bore cartridge, I am refering to cartridges of .400 cal or over, that are intended for hunting large African game like elephants, and cape buffalo. I think you may have misunderstood what I said.
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Wasn`t aware of the connection between the two cases.Thanks for the info.All of the points you have made make perfect sense and I believe you are on the right track.I don`t have the answer either,but the point I was making was in reference to the really sharp shoulders- in excess of the 28 degrees that say a 300 or 7mmWM carries.I don`t remember seeing much about this in P.O.Ackley`s books,but sounds like something to reseach more closely. Any ideas from you hand-loaders or wildcatters?Won`t be able to sleep properly now!This would make a good thread!
Great idea.. If you don't start it by tomorrow.. I will. That would be better than us to continue such a harsh threadjack.
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