There is a gun show tomorrow and i plan to buy a handgun.
How does it work?
I know when i go to the gun store, they do a background check and i have to wait 3 days to get it, but the show only lasts two days...
Do they sell them on the spot, or will it have to be shipped to me?
Depends entirely what the local laws are regarding sales at gun shows. Also depends if you buy from a licensed firearms dealer or a private individual.
In Maine, you go to the show, find the handgun, and the FFL Dealer at the table will call in your name over a cell phone. Once you clear with the BATF, you pay for the weapon (credit card or cash), and the gun is yours. Upon leaving the show, a cop removes a tag that is placed on the gun by the dealer upon sale.
Thanks guys.
Some people were dealers and charged tax, transfer fee, and did have a three day wait. Other people didnt even ask to see ID.
I got a rock island armory .45 acp, and 100 rounds of ammo for it.
The prices werent that good, ive seen cheaper in pawn shops.
Here in NC you have to give them a copy of your purchase permit that you get before hand at the sheriffs office thats where the background check is done and the wait is.then you just take you piece of paper that say you clean and go get the gun of you choice.
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Don't know about your area, but around here, the transaction goes like this, money-gun-handshake-have a nice day, no background checks at gun shows.
This is nothing aimed towards you. You're just posting how things work where you live.
With that said? WOW. No wonders the politicians have a problem with gun shows? Don't get me wrong. I am pro-gun, but holy chit.
So the way you've put it on how gun show transactions are done where you live, a convicted felon can buy a gun, NO questions asked? An illegal alien can buy a gun NO questions asked? A pedophile can buy a gun, NO questions asked?
Again, no wonders so many have a problem with gun shows. I'm sorry, pro-gun or not, there's something wrong with that.
These people then go out and commit a crime, or turn around and sell it to someone else that will commit a crime with it and then in the end, law-abiding gun owners like you and I are taking the heat, looking just as bad as the criminal/s in the eyes of many.
I know stating this will stir up a hornets nest, but come on, can't anyone else see how this circumvents the very laws that most on here have no problems with and say they agree with, that it isn't the need for more laws, just enforcing the existing ones?
I'm truly sorry, but as a responsible, law-abiding registered gun owner, I have a problem with this. It's this very reason they want to put a stop to it. It's the very reason they think the way they do. I as that law-abiding registered gun owner have a real problem with it.
Why shouldn't the same rules apply to buying a firearm at a gun show as it would going to gun store/shop/dealer? There should be a waiting period and background check on anyone trying to purchase a firearm whether it be at a store or gun show. How can allowing someone to go to a gun show and buy a gun without showing they are at the very least legally allowed to own one, prevent someone that shouldn't own or be able to get a firearm from doing just that?
What if, with being able to purchase a firearm this way, the person that shouldn't have one leaves the gun show and proceeds to go to the local park where your son and his wife with their two (2) children are playing and having a picnic and all of a sudden this person starts shooting people, and among the dead are your son, his wife and their two (2) children. Would you then realize there's a problem with the way it is being done? I bet you would. No, I hope you would.
Again, I'm sure I'll be condemned along with the many for expressing this, but as a gun owner, that is truly ignorant and irresponsible.
Why can't all gun shows, nationwide use this same method for example. Most gun shows are planned well in advance. Why not require anyone thinking of or wanting to purchase a firearm, preregister,say a minimum of one (1) week or ten (10) days in advance and get pre-approved to buy a firearm at a gun show? What would be the problem there? Most law-abiding registered gun owners already own a gun, so as one myself, I'd have no problem doing this. Usually, an existing gun owner isn't buying the gun for any other reason then to add to their collection or because they can and have the right to do so, or just want to have another one. This would prevent someone who is pissed or disgruntled from buying one and going right out and using it.
As mentioned, I already own a firearm, like most here, so why should or would waiting for one or wait to be pre-approved in this example of a suggestion, bother me/us/them? Again, usually a registered gun owner isn't buying one out of anger, more then likely they already have one or more already and that more then likely them being angered or disgruntled isn't the reason for going to a gun show, and how it is currently set-up, someone who's pissed can do a little acting in order to buy it and then go out and use it, no chance to cool off or be checked to see if they are even allowed to own or buy one. A waiting period is there to make sure someone hasn't recently been arrested, or committed. It should therefore be the same at or for gun shows.
This way would allow background checks be done before the purchase and those that want to buy a gun will have proven in advance they are legal to own one then when they buy one, since they've already done all this, can freely leave with it. Why can't or couldn't things be done like that at gun shows?
You've preregistered and been pre-approved and in a sense, had your waiting period. They could also make it so you can only purchase what you're licensed to. Someone couldn't buy a class 3 unless before hand they proved they are legal to do so etc.etc.etc...
Yes one could get pissed at anytime and do something stupid. The thing is, most law abiding registered gun owners aren't that ignorant and stupid and really don't want to lose the right and privilege to own, I would also think most don't really want to go to jail for something so stupid, I'd hope anyhow.
I'm not saying this idea is the answer or that it is perfect, but it sure has more common sense and thought behind it then just letting someone come in, slap some cash down and leave with a firearm, not knowing if they are a felon or ex-con or pedophile with that could take it and force a child into doing something they didn't want to do, as examples. That's the problem I have with they way it is said that it is done where midas lives. I have no problems with any individual. Just the system in general. Other states do it differently. Why don't they all just do it the same?
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I like buying from the want ads in the newspaper. Sometimes I get screwed, sometimes I make out like a bandit. Favoret guns to buy from the newspaper's is .22 rifles. Cant beat $45 Marlin mod 60's. Can usualy do a quick refinish & reblue & then resell them to one of our local pawn shops for $75.00 each. We have a good thing going there. And all I resale to the p-shop, as they know & why they buy from me, has been tested for accuracy & reliability. I can get about 6 reblue jobs and 3-4 refinish jobs per each of the Birchwood kits. (Exept for the extra sandpaper & steel wool & rags, wich is all dirt cheap to buy anyway.) You or'ta try it sometime. Good easy way to have fun & get paid to do it. No career money maker, but you can get 3 or for rifles in over the weekend and put $20 - $40 cash (profit) in oyur pocket the next monday. Last gun I bought was a badly rusted Marlin .44 mag leveraction. Paid $175 for it. Spent $30ish on refinishing stuff and about 10 hrs worth of sanding & polishing with the dremmell tool. Installed a Limbsaver recoil pad ($28.00) mounted a BSA scope ( $40.00 incl. rings -- I allready had a mount in the shop) and an Allen sling ( had it allready from a couple of trades ago ) And sold the thing 3 weeks later for $350.00. Not so easy & fun because of the rust, but still made $75 on it. Now I'm moving on to handguns. Smaller and should be easyer to refinish. Well see how it works out.
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the background check doesn't require a waiting period, they call in and get a pass or fail immediately, a waiting period is unnecessary for determining if someone is a criminal/crazy
I've found recently that prices at gun shows aren't that great. Don't go in there with plastic, bring cash and barter. You can usually bring prices down quite a bit.
G-MEISTER i agree with you on the gun shows. i went to one right b4 christmas and bought a rifle. no background checks were done. i was amazed that they didn't do any checks. i know in this state to buy a rifle from a gun shop they have to do a check and to buy a pistol its a 3 day wait. i saw guys buying pistols there and just walking out with them. there needs to be a uniform way of doing these shows.
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the background check doesn't require a waiting period, they call in and get a pass or fail immediately, a waiting period is unnecessary for determining if someone is a criminal/crazy
Cubbieman, I do appreciate the feedback. But, from what midas said and how he said they do it where he lives, or buys from, it said/says nothing about background checks, let alone showing an ID or card that states you are legal to buy and own. I know the waiting period has no bearing on determining if one is a criminal or crazy. However, it was initially called and some still call it this, a cooling off period. To prevent one from a night of drinking at a bar, to get pissed off at some one in a drunken stuper, to go out and buy a gun and head right back and shoot the person they have/had the problem with.
Also, a waiting period is a good idea, because some states don't immediately record ones arrests or run ins with the law right away so in the meantime something could pop up.
The immediate background check that gets a yes/no from the phone call verifies the person is registered and to date has not been flagged. However, if in the 3-5 days, whatever the wait is, something may come up. I knew of a guy in Illinois that was 18 or 19 and just wanted a shotgun for home/apt. protection. He got rejected because of unpaid parking tickets in Chicago. That, to me, is a bit on the petty side. It wasn't like he was convicted of domestic assault or spousal abuse or committed a felony, but none the less, back ground checks and the waiting period all have there place.
With the way that most gun shows are handled, especially the way midas expressed it is done in his area, nothing is done. If you have cash, you now have a gun and off you go. Unless he's incorrect with his statement?
I still think a lot of flack could be avoided as far as gun shows go if the NRA and/or even the gun owners themselves brought forth this idea of nationalizing gun show purchases, pre-registering them and then after checking the perspective buyers out thoroughly and then pre-approve them. Doing this I believe could only show, yes we are responsible and yes, we agree some things need improvement. We as gun owners can only come out looking even better.
Will there still be gun haters, hell yes. Will it improve things overnight, I highly doubt it, but it's a start.
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Our local papers have become anti gun, or at least pro covering their own ass...
Around here, most won't allow a gun to be listed in the want ads unless the seller has a FFL.. I haven't dug into it far enough to see if they'd let my 03 slide, but then again I refuse to do business with them or even purchase thier newspapers because of the stupid rule in the first place..
i'm not entirely sure what i think of the waiting period, an argument can be made both ways, but I don't think it would be unreasonable to let people who have the waiting period be allowed to pay for their weapon and have the waiting period expire on their 18th/21st birthday. like if you have a 10 day waiting period you could go pay 10 days before your birthday and pick it up on your birthday. it's a petty issue, so I don't want to spend much time on it, just wanted to mention it
I just bought my first handgun a few weeks ago from a gun show myself. I went to the shooting range and rented all the guns they rented out and shot them, about 100 rounds in each gun. After firing all the limited guns they rented I liked the SIG and the Ruger the best, well Rugers have the best price scale so I decided I was going to buy a Ruger. I had fired the P95 at the range.
I went to the show and looked all over up and down and found several ruger 9mm, mostly P89s but a few P95s. One dealer wanted $385 for this P89 with 2 magazines. I talked him down but he wouldn't budge below $375. I told him I would be back perhaps.
Found another P89, this was for $350 but only had one magazine. I know you can find magazines online for this gun for $20, so that extra mag wasn't a selling point for me. I asked him what I asked everyone, is that your bottom price? He seemed like a very honest man, older and was very calm and pleasant toward me. Some people at gun shows don't like being there and give you the evil eye if you pick something up. I sure as hell ain't buying something I can't pick up at a gun show. I filled out the paper work, he called in my full name for a felony check, I was paying cash so I talked him down even more. I learned that if you are paying cash, you can haggle down the price even more. Its just like buying anything else, if you have cash in hand you can usually talk the price down. I paid him, had him unlock it because I wanted to make sure it fired before I bought it. The slide cocked back easily and it fired like normal. he was cool with me testing it before I bought it. he gave me a reciept with his hunting store's info on it.
I ran down to the range and unloaded 200 rounds with it to make sure it shot well. It shot fine, so I kept it. If I had a problem I would have taken it back to the gun show and talked with him about it.
A few things you should know about buying your gun. First look online to see what the gun retails for, then look to see what it sells for used. I am not an experienced gun buyer but there were definitely rip offs at the gun show. Also, never buy a sword there. I have taken martial arts off and on my entire life and a lot of those older japanese swords I saw selling for over 900 bucks, were crappy military WWII officer issued swords, which are pretty much manufactured in some factory and are pieces of crap. I could break one over my knee most likely. An authentic folded samurai sword will cost you thousands, replicants cost thousands, anything else is a rip off. Anyway, back on topic... I researched the gun I wanted to buy and knew what my bottom dollar was. The most I was going to spend on a used ruger 9mm pistol was $350 dollars. That is all I took with me. I ended up getting it cheaper than that, but that is because I took my time and found a dealer who wasn't a jerk off, that actually enjoyed being there and would answer my questions and didn't seem shady.
I mean if a dealer at a gun show is selling guns for actual retail value, why buy it from them? When you can go down to your local gun store, pay the same price and have someone locally to go back to if anything goes wrong with your gun.
So, do your research, know your bottom dollar, find someone at the show that is nice and cool. You can get a feeling just by chatting with them. Some people at gun shows won't even talk to you. Make sure you get a receipt. My friend just paid cash, no background check, no receipt, nothing. He was worried about the gun having a history on it, so he took it to the local sheriff office and had it checked and then had it put in his name, the legal thing to do. Dry fire the weapon to make sure it functions properly and if you are near a gun range go shoot it immediately before the show is over.
This is how I did my very first gun show experience, and my first gun I bought a few weeks ago was from a gun show. i got a super great deal and the gun itself is very nice. So, just take your time and don't rush yourself into buying a gun. I was well prepared to take my $350 somewhere else if I didn't find the gun I wanted that day.
Now, only if I can find a good condition used HK USP .40 compact for $400......but everyone should know thats a pipe dream
You wonder why each and every state does NOT have the same rules for handguns.
A very important thing to understand about America is that when it was founded it was clearly pronounced that EACH INDIVIDUAL State was to have more authority than the whole of the FEDERAL government. This was purposely intended so as to eliminate any possibility of the FEDERAL government becoming a 'dictator' nation (i.e. a people ruled by a King).
You see, IF I don't like what's going on in the state in which I live I can either:
1. MOVE
2. Help to pass laws which the majority of the people want.
Trust me, if a majority of (sincere but nieve) Americans wanted to eliminate handguns, only criminals would "own' them. And being the wary "anti big government person" that I am, the last thing I want is for EVERY state in AMERICAN to have the exact same rules and regulations for gun ownership. That would make it way to easy for the federal government to find ways to get my guns. (Always, always remember; crooks do not care about 'new' gun law legislation. They're not called crooks or felons because they're law abiding citizens.) More "gun rules' simply make it harder for the law abiding citizen to "legally' bear arms according to their constitutional rights.
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This is nothing aimed towards you. You're just posting how things work where you live.
With that said? WOW. No wonders the politicians have a problem with gun shows? Don't get me wrong. I am pro-gun, but holy chit.
So the way you've put it on how gun show transactions are done where you live, a convicted felon can buy a gun, NO questions asked? An illegal alien can buy a gun NO questions asked? A pedophile can buy a gun, NO questions asked?
Again, no wonders so many have a problem with gun shows. I'm sorry, pro-gun or not, there's something wrong with that.
These people then go out and commit a crime, or turn around and sell it to someone else that will commit a crime with it and then in the end, law-abiding gun owners like you and I are taking the heat, looking just as bad as the criminal/s in the eyes of many.
I know stating this will stir up a hornets nest, but come on, can't anyone else see how this circumvents the very laws that most on here have no problems with and say they agree with, that it isn't the need for more laws, just enforcing the existing ones?
I'm truly sorry, but as a responsible, law-abiding registered gun owner, I have a problem with this. It's this very reason they want to put a stop to it. It's the very reason they think the way they do. I as that law-abiding registered gun owner have a real problem with it.
Why shouldn't the same rules apply to buying a firearm at a gun show as it would going to gun store/shop/dealer? There should be a waiting period and background check on anyone trying to purchase a firearm whether it be at a store or gun show. How can allowing someone to go to a gun show and buy a gun without showing they are at the very least legally allowed to own one, prevent someone that shouldn't own or be able to get a firearm from doing just that?
What if, with being able to purchase a firearm this way, the person that shouldn't have one leaves the gun show and proceeds to go to the local park where your son and his wife with their two (2) children are playing and having a picnic and all of a sudden this person starts shooting people, and among the dead are your son, his wife and their two (2) children. Would you then realize there's a problem with the way it is being done? I bet you would. No, I hope you would.
Again, I'm sure I'll be condemned along with the many for expressing this, but as a gun owner, that is truly ignorant and irresponsible.
Why can't all gun shows, nationwide use this same method for example. Most gun shows are planned well in advance. Why not require anyone thinking of or wanting to purchase a firearm, preregister,say a minimum of one (1) week or ten (10) days in advance and get pre-approved to buy a firearm at a gun show? What would be the problem there? Most law-abiding registered gun owners already own a gun, so as one myself, I'd have no problem doing this. Usually, an existing gun owner isn't buying the gun for any other reason then to add to their collection or because they can and have the right to do so, or just want to have another one. This would prevent someone who is pissed or disgruntled from buying one and going right out and using it.
As mentioned, I already own a firearm, like most here, so why should or would waiting for one or wait to be pre-approved in this example of a suggestion, bother me/us/them? Again, usually a registered gun owner isn't buying one out of anger, more then likely they already have one or more already and that more then likely them being angered or disgruntled isn't the reason for going to a gun show, and how it is currently set-up, someone who's pissed can do a little acting in order to buy it and then go out and use it, no chance to cool off or be checked to see if they are even allowed to own or buy one. A waiting period is there to make sure someone hasn't recently been arrested, or committed. It should therefore be the same at or for gun shows.
This way would allow background checks be done before the purchase and those that want to buy a gun will have proven in advance they are legal to own one then when they buy one, since they've already done all this, can freely leave with it. Why can't or couldn't things be done like that at gun shows?
You've preregistered and been pre-approved and in a sense, had your waiting period. They could also make it so you can only purchase what you're licensed to. Someone couldn't buy a class 3 unless before hand they proved they are legal to do so etc.etc.etc...
Yes one could get pissed at anytime and do something stupid. The thing is, most law abiding registered gun owners aren't that ignorant and stupid and really don't want to lose the right and privilege to own, I would also think most don't really want to go to jail for something so stupid, I'd hope anyhow.
I'm not saying this idea is the answer or that it is perfect, but it sure has more common sense and thought behind it then just letting someone come in, slap some cash down and leave with a firearm, not knowing if they are a felon or ex-con or pedophile with that could take it and force a child into doing something they didn't want to do, as examples. That's the problem I have with they way it is said that it is done where midas lives. I have no problems with any individual. Just the system in general. Other states do it differently. Why don't they all just do it the same?
What state do you live in? Must be nice cuz her in Oregon (that's ory-gun) it takes about 30 minutes while the dealer does the BG check w- ATF and state police.
Now I'm moving on to handguns. Smaller and should be easyer to refinish. Well see how it works out.
