Why California Must Secede at Once

[SuckLead]

Found this rather by accident and thought I would share:

Why California Must Secede at Once

by William L. Anderson

My patience has run out. Although I have a living relative in California, it does not matter. All I want is for California to leave this union of states and go its separate way. In fact, the former Republic of California can also take Washington State and Oregon with it and start a new country on this continent’s West Coast. Maybe they can call this new nation Bolshavia.

The latest power crisis in which Californians are demanding that electricity producers outside the state work for free (a nice term for this is forced labor) to provide them with low-priced electrical power has put me over the edge. Until now, I could tolerate California, since it generally sends Washington, DC, more taxes than it receives in benefits (California: The State for Suckers!) and produced John Wooden’s great UCLA basketball teams.

However, now that California is showing its true colors, I admit that my eyes are opened at last. Whatever gains I might have from California’s excess of tax revenues has been swallowed up in the Free Lunch Philosophy that has emanated from that state for many years. California has been Ground Zero for many of the diseases that have plagued our body politic, and it is time that Californians and their "Left Coast" fellows bear the full cost of their Jane Fonda Socialism.

One may be surprised that I demand that another state secede from the United States. After all, I reside in South Carolina, which seceded in 1860 only to have Abraham Lincoln and his federal troops bring the folks here back into the union. This was not a peaceful reunion, as the federals burned down about half the towns in the state before the war ended. As much as other Americans may have hated South Carolinians, they did not insist that this place actually become a new country. (In fact, the saying in this state at the time was that "South Carolina is too small to be a country and too large to be an insane asylum.")

California, on the other hand, is an insane asylum and the rest of us are insane if we continue to allow that state to impose its evil will upon us. Believe it or not, the rest of us will be better off if the "Left Coast" forms its Bolshavia immediately. Let me explain by answering objections to the Golden State’s departure.

"If California leaves the union, then it takes all of its high technology firms with it." This objection is based upon the assumption that there are no gains from trade. Just because I want California out of our political union does not mean I want to boycott products from that state. Furthermore, I would want no trade barriers to block imports from or exports to California. Granted, Californians are stupid enough to set up trade barriers on their own, but the barriers would harm California more than this country. After all, even though Guatemala is a banana republic does not mean we don’t buy its bananas.

"We will lose all that federal tax revenue from Californians." Good, I say. The less money in the coffers of our central government will always be a victory for freedom and goodness. Fewer tax dollars means fewer bombs dropped on Iraq and less regulation.

"We will lose the use of port facilities on the West Coast." First, the US East Coast has more and better ports than the Left Coast. Second, even Californians and their Northwest brethren might even find that free trade works. Motivated people can find optimum trade relations if they wish, so the loss of port facilities does not have to matter a whit.

"We will lose the benefits of the excellent universities and schools in those states." Nonsense, I say. The University of California at Berkeley (or "Berserkely," as some locals lovingly call it) has always been at the forefront of trashing all things good and decent, while Stanford University hates Western civilization. Anyway, if smart, useful people who have attended California’s universities can find a way to work in the United States, then there will be gains from trade and the problem will be solved.

"We will lose some of our greatest political leadership." Oh, please! Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters, Diane Feinstein, and Willie Brown are not political leaders. They are thieves, crooks, and charlatans. Any state that elects those folks to office deserves whatever punishment it receives.

"There could be a refugee problem, as productive, decent, and thinking people are forced out of the Marxist California state." This is a problem? Please remember that Fidel Castro ran out the cream of the crop in Cuba in 1960, thus sending us entrepreneurs and others who were productive. It was only later that Castro was left only with criminals who also found they could have better pickings in the USA. Certainly the mass exodus of productive Californians would be a boon to this country. Not only that, but those who would choose to leave the Socialist Golden State Republic would also be those who most despise the interventionist state.

Whatever the problems caused by the departure of the Left Coast may be, they are hardly insurmountable. That is because motivated people can engage in trade. On the other hand, should the Left Coast form its own Bolshavia, we can then see another socialist laboratory in action – and we don’t have to directly bear the consequences of socialist stupidity. We can simply sit on the sidelines and watch Californians implement socialism – and the rest of us won’t have to pay them a dime.

January 27, 2001

William L. Anderson, Ph.D., is assistant professor of economics at North Greenville College in Tigerville, South Carolina. He is an adjunct scholar of the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

© 2001 LewRockwell.com

Why California Must Secede at Once

[toolman]

Works for me.

[troy2000]

Total bs, but entertaining.

I've always wondered how California imposes its will on the rest of the country. Do we send troops out to force everyone to follow our example? Has anyone from California ever gone to your state and told your legislature and your governor, "you will do it our way or else"?

A lot of both good and bad stuff shows up here first, but being ahead of the curve doesn't mean we're responsible for what happens in DC or your state; when did we turn into your babysitters, your parents or your boss? When did we start making your decisions for you? Maybe y'all should realize there's enough homegrown stupidity to go around, and stop blaming California for all of it. You don't like what California's doing, go do something else instead of copying it.

While you're at it, you might try telling your relatives, your friends and your neighbors to stop moving out here, since we're so screwed up. We already have too many people anyway, and if half the folks who've moved here in the last twenty years went back home we'd have a lot less traffic, and a lot more elbow room.

[.22guy]

Sounds great. And I live here. This state already has money problems and without federal money, it would go to even worse crap really really quick.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by .22guy

Sounds great. And I live here. This state already has money problems and without federal money, it would go to even worse crap really really quick.

Even the guy who wrote the article pointed out that California sends more money to Washington than it gets back, .22 guy.

[GlockMeister]

I really liked the part where you bashed the Hanoi HO (Jane Fonda as her friends like to call her)! lmao

You were right on the money about her. No, no one forces us to conform to it, and no forces are sent to make us. But, bullshit tends to flow downhill. And when something starts in the land of fruits and nuts, it generally and usually works its' way east. One good example I can think of might be, pollution/emission testing for cars,trucks, motorcycles, etc.etc.etc.. All the extra crap put on cars came from this as well as the extra cost it added to vehicles. Yes, I think we can thank California for that. The upside, it did create more jobs for the people needed to emission test the cars. But then, they did raise the fee for license plate renewal stickers to cover that, so, in the end, yes,it did cost us.

One very recent trend that not one person can say didn't start in the land of fruits and nuts was the lead free bullet crap or non-toxic shot. Minnesota is already looking into that. I saw that news on this forum, on the home page as a matter of fact. Once again, it started out there and soon it will have every other state conforming? What, they'll let China put it (lead) in everything they can, until they get caught, but let us continue to use it in our bullets, something thats been done since the bullets inception into our forefathers muskets. Yea, it's really harmed the environment hasn't it. Poppy-Cock! On that note, I'm sure California and its' Anti-gun mentalities, and the money from the anti-gun George Clooneys of Hollywood will eventually force us to conform.

I'm sure if one were to sit down with a good cup of Joe, a pen and paper, you'd be able to think of and write down many more nonsense that made its' way out of the land full of fruits and nuts, worked its ' way east and eventually conform we did.

Look forward to someday when that great quake comes and then Idaho, Nevada and Arizona will then have sandy beaches and ocean front property. AHHHHHHHHH, wishful thinking. One can only hope.

I've got a relative out there also. Loves the weather but not all that thrilled with the high cost of living.

I think the money in California does have its' pull with the politicians in DC. Those Hollywood directors and producers use there money to influence congress everytime they get a chance. One very good example of this was that Jackass Michael Moore and his Fahrenheit 9/11 propaganda film comes to mind. If that wasn't an obvious and blatant attempt to sway Congress I don't know what is then. So yes, believe in a way California does influence the trends and the direction they take.

Dam that felt good to vent.

G-Meister

[letsroll]

Good luck with that. We have been trying for years to give Chicago to Indiana but they won't take it off our hands!!

[troy2000]

Glockmeister, the federal government started the lead-free ammo drive in 1991, when it banned lead nationwide for waterfowl.

Whether you agree with it or not (and I think it's idiotic), California's total ban on lead ammo covers ten percent of the state, and it's for a very specific, stated purpose: keeping condors from ingesting lead. How many condors does your state have, that they want to copy California?

As aforementioned, no one else has to do something just because California did it first. Also, the fact that California does something first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen anyway if California didn't exist...

[CalifgirlinOk]

I agree with you troy2000 all the way!!!!!!!!!!! Thank-You

[Seabeescotty]

I wouldn't say bigfoot chit if I had a mouthful!!!! My wife reads this,too! And T2K, you are correct sir, nobody needs to follow anything they don't believe. But I still don't like the politicos that get sent to DC from your state. Sorry, Scotty

[.22guy]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Even the guy who wrote the article pointed out that California sends more money to Washington than it gets back, .22 guy.

Sure, but without "federal oversight" CA would spend all it's own monney on BS and we'd be even further in the crapper. ie current California budget crisis.

[snuffysmith]

Troy, I think you must be slowing down, son! It took you one hour and thirteen minutes to reply to Sucklead's post. Howsomever, you jumped right in like I knew you would when I saw the title on the post. Keep on truckin'. I don't think there is any way to engineer a project like that anyway. LOL

Snuffy

[Reddbecca]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I've always wondered how California imposes its will on the rest of the country. Do we send troops out to force everyone to follow our example? Has anyone from California ever gone to your state and told your legislature and your governor, "you will do it our way or else"?

Because you guys are the testing board for all bad legislation. If it works there it has grounds to spread to other states, if it fails then none of the other states face the same threat.

[SKS NOOB]

I lived in Cali for almost 2 years and this is what I came away with when I left: It wasn't the NATIVE Californians that made Cali so bad, it was alot (not all) of the people that moved there. Please correct me if I'm wrong with that perspective.

[Seabeescotty]

I think you hit the nail on the head! My wife is a native, and can't stand the way the state is run. A lot of fanatics and plain old screwballs have overrun the state, and now control it. I'm curious how many of those in power in Ca. are actually from Ca? And yes I know, this could apply to anywhere, but I left the state two years ago and it's still pretty fresh in my mind. I tried to talk to the offices of both US senators, and got hung up on by one. The other told me if I don't like it, to leave! Guess what, it was the best advise I ever got from those nutcases! I know alot of Ca. natives who can't understand why these people have been able to completely take over their state. Hell, Pelosi ain't from Ca., but she found the right place for her crazy politics, and look at her now! She's shittin' in tall cotton! And I'll bet she's starting to scare some of the lefties with her idiocy. I love Ca., and the folks I know who live there, but I'd never move back. If my rant offends, I do apologize, but it's the way I feel. Scotty

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Reddbecca

Because you guys are the testing board for all bad legislation. If it works there it has grounds to spread to other states, if it fails then none of the other states face the same threat.

You may have a point there. But if they didn't have California, it would just start somewhere else instead.

I don't think California has a lock on bad legislation, by the way. I've seen some doozies elsewhere...like I said, there's plenty of stupidity to go around.

[Reddbecca]

Originally Posted by troy2000

You may have a point there. But if they didn't have California, it would just start somewhere else instead.

I don't think California has a lock on bad legislation, by the way. I've seen some doozies elsewhere...like I said, there's plenty of stupidity to go around.

Maybe so, but California seems to always be the testing ground for gun control laws. The lost or stolen firearms law, firearms microstamping, banning lead in condor territory even though you're hunting deer, calling single shot rifles "assault weapons", etc. You guys are the corner market on stupid legislation regarding guns.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Reddbecca

Maybe so, but California seems to always be the testing ground for gun control laws. The lost or stolen firearms law, firearms microstamping, banning lead in condor territory even though you're hunting deer, calling single shot rifles "assault weapons", etc. You guys are the corner market on stupid legislation regarding guns.

Not so. New York and Washington DC were light years ahead of us on this bs.

The lead in condor country territory might actually have some justification, if you like condors better than hunting. A good proportion of condors autopsied supposedly had lead poisoning.

[Cyrano]

T2K, if you will qualify your post by stating it is New York CITY and Washington, DC that have the corner on general idiotic gun laws, I don't have a problem with the statement. Upstate, most people are pro-gun (apart from the idiots in the state legislature, which is as great a La-La-Land as Congress) and hate the kaka that emanates from there. It wasn't the idea of upstate New Yorkers to adopt the Slick Willy Gun Ban rules as our very, very own, for example.

A year or so ago, New York Magazine ran an article that very seriously suggested New York City and Long Island secede from the Union and become their own nation. I'm in favor of it, provided we can dump Slick Willy, Slick Hillary and the entire State Assembly on them too!

But then again, I think there is a grain of truth in this old gag: "When God decided there was to be a nation called the United States of America, He realized it would need an insane asylum. And so, in His infinite wisdom and mercy He put a desert, a river, an ocean and a mountain range between California and the rest of the country."

Troy, you really need to move out of the national looney bin to a place where your talents will be appreciated, and where you can own whatever you want without the nonsense the Peoples Democratic Republic of California inflicts on honest citizens who want to exercise their Second Amendment rights. (But then again, so do I; and that won't happen until I win the lottery.) But any state that can send lunatics like Dianne Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi to Congress really does need re-evaluation.

[Reddbecca]

Originally Posted by troy2000

The lead in condor country territory might actually have some justification, if you like condors better than hunting. A good proportion of condors autopsied supposedly had lead poisoning.

Oh please! The only other alternative to lead ammunition (that I know of anyway) is copper, and I'm sure those dumb birds would die a lot more painful deaths by having their insides cut up by expanded copper bullets.

Besides, if hunting is stopped entirely in the condor range then they'd starve to death. So you basically have three methods of death involved with those birds. They can either be poisoned by the occasional lead bullet, they can have their guts cut to ribbons by sharp razors, or they can starve to death.