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Old 01-14-2008, 10:29 AM   #1
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Holy Cow watch out for those slamfires!!

This could have kinda scary implications

Drill instructor convicted after rifle jams
Guardsman guilty of illegally transferring 'machine gun' after firearm malfunctions
January 13, 2008

WorldNetDaily: Drill instructor convicted after rifle jams
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Old 01-14-2008, 11:29 AM   #2
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Yeah I saw that, a load of BS is what it is. How can you control when a part breaks? If I take my AR to the range, and the disconnecter spring sticks, it could very well fire a burst. If a LEO was to hear that, or I was reported, how am I charged with possessing a machine gun? There comes a time when common sense should kick in, however in cases like this...
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Old 01-14-2008, 11:34 AM   #3
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If the facts are as stated in the article, that conviction will obviously be thrown out on appeal. I can't help but wonder if something's missing from the story, it's such a weird case of injustice and prosecutorial misconduct.
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Old 01-14-2008, 11:44 AM   #4
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"Basically if your Ruger 10/22, Browning Citori Over and Under or Remington 11-87 malfunction and fire more than one round at a time; the ATF will now consider it a machine gun," he wrote.
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I have nothing to say, I'm just angry. Is this the new low that our government has come to?
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:23 PM   #5
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:58 PM   #6
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Makes you wonder where common sense has gone !!! Our goverment needs a serious overhaul and soon.
Not just in regards to guns either.
Yall just wait someday they'll try to limit us on how much toilet paper we can use !
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:12 PM   #7
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:43 PM   #8
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Makes you wonder where common sense has gone !!! Our goverment needs a serious overhaul and soon.
Not just in regards to guns either.
Yall just wait someday they'll try to limit us on how much toilet paper we can use !
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:27 PM   #9
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Yes, it should be overturned on appeal. The scary fact is that it even was tried in the first place to even need to get to the appeals process. As Troy2K mentioned, is there more to the story that meats the eye? I mean if this were to happen to me, you can be sure I'd have a qualified gunsmith testify as to what caused it, fix it and test it and explain what he found.
Sure, I can say what I'd do and so could anyone else right? In reading this story to me it would appear so did Mr. Olofson. Not sure if the Pope or President himself testified it would have helped this poor guy. It's as if they had it out for him, or someone did anyhow? I wouldn't put anything past anyone these days when it comes to getting even. Might be good practice to get into not loaning ones firearms out unless your there?
Just the fact it states in this story the prosecution "would not" and I gather "didn't" disclose all of the information they had/have, which is a requirement under the law, in and of itself will get it overturned. That's unless they use this new Homeland Security or some new patriot act rule. If that's the case, we could all eventually be in a similar dilemma.

This guy was a drill instructor in the National Guard, what do you think they'd do to simple gun folk like us?

By the way, did anyone happen to click on the link to the Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership? I couldn't get it to and it wouldn't play for me but the gist of that is they are all for protecting the rights of and for all firearm owners from the aspect of what happened to some of them personally and/or their ancestors. They know that's exactly what Hitlers' sorry ass did to them before he started executing them, he disarmed them. So for the Jewish sector, gun bans in this country have become a real personal interest for them.

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Old 01-14-2008, 04:38 PM   #10
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To me is seems like a well thought out prosecution kinda like a couple of Border Patrol agents from l Paso. I mean surely the prosecuter didn't overstep his bounds in that trial either, right. If he had would they still be in prison?

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Old 01-14-2008, 04:45 PM   #11
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Heck, the weapon doesn't even have to malfunction or have any worn/broken parts. Cook-offs happen....
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:18 PM   #12
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So, your SKS firing pin gets sticky, she cracks off a three-fer, an LEO in the next lane sees/hears it - trip to the pokey?

This could get ugly real fast.
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:52 PM   #13
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I was just getting a smile back on my face, and now it's gone again. That legal system up there sounds krooked to me. Are they near Chicago and taking lessons? I thought we had the right to be exonerated in an open, public, honest court of law. Why don't they spend the same amount of time on criminals that they spend railroading citizens? Scotty
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:14 PM   #14
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MY question is ...What happened to "Intent" ?
IF there is NO intent to commit a crime...There is NO Crime !!!
It is written in the law !
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:30 PM   #15
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it's such a weird case of injustice and prosecutorial misconduct.
did you forget the duke rape case?
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:35 PM   #16
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did you forget the duke rape case?
The prosecutor in that case never even made it to trial though, much less securing a conviction.

I agree that this one sounds more like the Campeon/Ramos case. Something stinks to high Heaven, unless that story is very inaccurate.

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Old 01-14-2008, 10:57 PM   #17
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Phwew! you smell something?
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:36 AM   #18
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go after the army guys, cause hell, they know nothing about machine guns!
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Old 01-26-2008, 12:22 AM   #19
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They want all our guns...

A friend told me way back in the mid-1980s that ATF was created to get our guns, one by one, if need be. How prescient was he...
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Old 01-26-2008, 03:19 PM   #20
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A friend told me way back in the mid-1980s that ATF was created to get our guns, one by one, if need be. How prescient was he...
The ATF was created to give the huge numbers of Fed employees a job when prohibition ended and was originally to get taxes.
Of course now it is a private army for the gummint to play with.
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