Hunter's "safety"???

texnmidwest · 01-23-2008, 05:38 PM

I just had to talk about something that happened last night during a hunter's safety class that has me so steamed I almost came unglued when it happened.

During the class, taught by certified safety instructors one of the guys was doing a section on handguns. First he pulled out a Smith 629 and held it up. I was in awe at the beautiful example of one of the finest handguns ever made. Then he started waving it around over his head sweeping the crowd with the muzzle! Then he opens the cylinder spins it and with a flick of his shooting hand slams the cylinder shut like you see on the movies. That man will NEVER handle my wheel guns! If he had done that to my 629 he and I would have wrestled right there! Yes, the gun was cleared. But this was a hunter's safety class with a lot of young kids in the room trying to learn how to handle firearms safely. OK, now I got through that then he picks up a semi auto. Same thing happens! Only this time he looks at one of the kids on the front row and POINTS THE HANDGUN AT HIM like it was a pointer!!! Then he points the weapon at his grandfather and asks if they were related! Yes the weapon was cleared BUT A GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED!!!! When he did that I almost came out of my chair and did something I would have regretted. All the time he was waving various types of handguns around like they were spoons. Pointing the muzzle where ever he pleased the 6 other instructors just stood there! After class I went up to the chief instructor and told him that I was upset by how flippant that instructor was with his weapons and told him I did not think that type of example was a good one in a class like this. He just shook his head and said "Yea, I know. He is a good instructor though."

This is a Department of Natural Resources sponsored Hunter's safety course. That behavior in that setting is totally unacceptable to me. Maybe I am just over reacting. I may be too uptight about it but, should I call the DNR and pursue this further or let it drop?

Snakebite · 01-23-2008, 05:47 PM

You arent over reacting and if it was me, I'd pursue it.
He sure cant teach safety with stupidity like that.
If my kid was in the room, I would grab him and leave. My kids knew better than that at 8 years old.
Never point a gun at anything you dont intend to shoot and like you said...ITS ALWAYS LOADED!
What a jerk!

DANA · 01-23-2008, 06:39 PM

I have been a Hunter Safty instructor for 33 yrs. I my sight you would feel bad if one of the students got the wrong idea and did something wrong and someone was hurt or worse!!!!!!!! GO FOR IT.

DANA

texnmidwest · 01-23-2008, 07:01 PM

Thanks guys. I will call them in the morning. Because of improper firearm handling I have one friend who has no use of his left side because of of 30-30 bullet to the neck. And another schoolmate's mother who morns her son every day of her life because of improper firearms handling.

Even as careful as I am, and I am anal about safety, I have had an accidental discharge. Muzzle pointed in a safe direction so nothing harmed other than my ego and nerves. But it can and does happen.

just_a_car · 01-23-2008, 08:10 PM

This guy shouldn't be teaching and probably shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a firearm.

Take him down.

Seabeescotty · 01-23-2008, 09:50 PM

Go for it, Tex. Maybe they'll slap his hand, or just maybe, they'll show him the door! I've had one accidental discharge occur in all the years I've handled firearms, and it was a new rifle, AR-15. I slipped a round in the chamber, and released the bolt. Blam! It discharged, and the round went downrange, the direction the barrel was pointing. It's second nature, pointing the front toward the target. Good training stood me in good stead! Go get him! Scotty

mym1a · 01-23-2008, 10:10 PM

turn him in ! they would drop the dime on you in a heart beat if they could!!!!!!

Reddbecca · 01-23-2008, 10:27 PM

If it's been me I would've been pointing out the downfalls and dangers of his course to let others know about what the situation was.

bigbuddy21 · 01-23-2008, 10:39 PM

TAKE HIM DOWN! ACTUALLY YOU SHOULD HAVE STOOD UP DURING THE CLASS AND ASKED HIM WHERE HE LEARNED TO HANDLE GUNS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO AVOID THAT CLASS.

lefty o · 01-23-2008, 10:44 PM

he's not a good instructor!

KGunner · 01-23-2008, 11:21 PM

Hunter's safety should be taught to children by mother's and father's. I'd go as far as you can to get him out.

troy2000 · 01-23-2008, 11:29 PM

Go for it. Sounds like he learned gun safety from the same school as that guy in the video who shot himself, while telling a class he was the only one in the room professional enough to handle a gun.

Windwalker · 01-24-2008, 06:42 AM

Let us know how this comes out.

jerry · 01-24-2008, 07:20 AM

I'm taking my daughter and her friend in Feb. Hope it turns out better than that

Wingwiper · 01-24-2008, 07:32 AM

I too, have been a Hunter Safety Instructor and sounds to me like that guy was showing off, All of which is a NO NO. Challange his ACTIONS in front of the next class, make it known in front of the same kids he faltered in front of, that he was WRONG.

Go for it

eddiedeverell · 01-24-2008, 02:30 PM

Sad that he is the instructor! You shoul stand up next time and teach class!

Rye-man · 01-24-2008, 06:23 PM

agree with all the above. He needs out of there.

.22hustler · 01-24-2008, 08:15 PM

Get this fool out of there, immediately!! This is what gives gun owners and hunters a bad name...If he would have pointed that gun at me or one of my children, I would have been off my seat, and he would have been down on his..What an idiot...I usally like to add a little face after my posts, but in this case, a little humor is not warranted!!

cubbieman · 01-24-2008, 10:08 PM

if they're too stupid to follow the first rule of gun safety(always keep it pointed in a safe direction) they are too stupid to teach the rest, I can't believe no one said anything

ArkansasHunter · 01-24-2008, 10:15 PM

I would of embaressed that guy to the point he would of ran out of the room screaming... MA-MAaaaaaa !!!! If I had of been there.
I haven't had a gun go off yet, but my son has and you'll never forget it.
And waveing the guns around and sweeping the on lookers is pure stupiddity !!!
My 2 cents !!! A.H

01-23-2008, 05:38 PM	#1
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,499	Hunter's "safety"??? I just had to talk about something that happened last night during a hunter's safety class that has me so steamed I almost came unglued when it happened. During the class, taught by certified safety instructors one of the guys was doing a section on handguns. First he pulled out a Smith 629 and held it up. I was in awe at the beautiful example of one of the finest handguns ever made. Then he started waving it around over his head sweeping the crowd with the muzzle! Then he opens the cylinder spins it and with a flick of his shooting hand slams the cylinder shut like you see on the movies. That man will NEVER handle my wheel guns! If he had done that to my 629 he and I would have wrestled right there! Yes, the gun was cleared. But this was a hunter's safety class with a lot of young kids in the room trying to learn how to handle firearms safely. OK, now I got through that then he picks up a semi auto. Same thing happens! Only this time he looks at one of the kids on the front row and POINTS THE HANDGUN AT HIM like it was a pointer!!! Then he points the weapon at his grandfather and asks if they were related! Yes the weapon was cleared BUT A GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED!!!! When he did that I almost came out of my chair and did something I would have regretted. All the time he was waving various types of handguns around like they were spoons. Pointing the muzzle where ever he pleased the 6 other instructors just stood there! After class I went up to the chief instructor and told him that I was upset by how flippant that instructor was with his weapons and told him I did not think that type of example was a good one in a class like this. He just shook his head and said "Yea, I know. He is a good instructor though." This is a Department of Natural Resources sponsored Hunter's safety course. That behavior in that setting is totally unacceptable to me. Maybe I am just over reacting. I may be too uptight about it but, should I call the DNR and pursue this further or let it drop? __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

01-23-2008, 07:01 PM	#4
texnmidwest Listen to yur Inner Hippo Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South east Wisconsin Posts: 3,499	Thanks guys. I will call them in the morning. Because of improper firearm handling I have one friend who has no use of his left side because of of 30-30 bullet to the neck. And another schoolmate's mother who morns her son every day of her life because of improper firearms handling. Even as careful as I am, and I am anal about safety, I have had an accidental discharge. Muzzle pointed in a safe direction so nothing harmed other than my ego and nerves. But it can and does happen. __________________ "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (If all else fails play dead)

01-23-2008, 08:10 PM	#5
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,530	This guy shouldn't be teaching and probably shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a firearm. Take him down. __________________

01-23-2008, 09:50 PM	#6
Seabeescotty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jay, Oklahoma, God's country. Posts: 4,094 Images: 18 Blog Entries: 1	Go for it, Tex. Maybe they'll slap his hand, or just maybe, they'll show him the door! I've had one accidental discharge occur in all the years I've handled firearms, and it was a new rifle, AR-15. I slipped a round in the chamber, and released the bolt. Blam! It discharged, and the round went downrange, the direction the barrel was pointing. It's second nature, pointing the front toward the target. Good training stood me in good stead! Go get him! Scotty __________________ Adapt, improvise, overcome.-Gysgt Highway, Heartbreak Ridge

01-23-2008, 10:39 PM	#9
bigbuddy21 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: new albany in. Posts: 977 Images: 5	TAKE HIM DOWN! ACTUALLY YOU SHOULD HAVE STOOD UP DURING THE CLASS AND ASKED HIM WHERE HE LEARNED TO HANDLE GUNS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO AVOID THAT CLASS. __________________ LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!

01-23-2008, 05:47 PM	#2
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,841	You arent over reacting and if it was me, I'd pursue it. He sure cant teach safety with stupidity like that. If my kid was in the room, I would grab him and leave. My kids knew better than that at 8 years old. Never point a gun at anything you dont intend to shoot and like you said...ITS ALWAYS LOADED! What a jerk!

01-23-2008, 06:39 PM	#3
DANA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: WAITSFIELD VERMONT Posts: 1,598	I have been a Hunter Safty instructor for 33 yrs. I my sight you would feel bad if one of the students got the wrong idea and did something wrong and someone was hurt or worse!!!!!!!! GO FOR IT. DANA

01-23-2008, 10:10 PM	#7
mym1a Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,313	turn him in ! they would drop the dime on you in a heart beat if they could!!!!!!

01-23-2008, 10:27 PM	#8
Reddbecca Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 102	If it's been me I would've been pointing out the downfalls and dangers of his course to let others know about what the situation was.

01-23-2008, 10:44 PM	#10
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,815	he's not a good instructor!

01-23-2008, 11:21 PM	#11
KGunner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 442	Hunter's safety should be taught to children by mother's and father's. I'd go as far as you can to get him out.

01-23-2008, 11:29 PM	#12
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,511 Images: 9	Go for it. Sounds like he learned gun safety from the same school as that guy in the video who shot himself, while telling a class he was the only one in the room professional enough to handle a gun. __________________ I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said. WF Buckley, Jr

01-24-2008, 06:42 AM	#13
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,617	Let us know how this comes out.

01-24-2008, 07:20 AM	#14
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,912 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	I'm taking my daughter and her friend in Feb. Hope it turns out better than that

01-24-2008, 07:32 AM	#15
Wingwiper Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 789	I too, have been a Hunter Safety Instructor and sounds to me like that guy was showing off, All of which is a NO NO. Challange his ACTIONS in front of the next class, make it known in front of the same kids he faltered in front of, that he was WRONG. Go for it

01-24-2008, 02:30 PM	#16
eddiedeverell Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Aurora, CO. Posts: 241	Sad that he is the instructor! You shoul stand up next time and teach class!

01-24-2008, 06:23 PM	#17
Rye-man Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Western Colorado Posts: 94	agree with all the above. He needs out of there.

01-24-2008, 08:15 PM	#18
.22hustler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 915	Get this fool out of there, immediately!! This is what gives gun owners and hunters a bad name...If he would have pointed that gun at me or one of my children, I would have been off my seat, and he would have been down on his..What an idiot...I usally like to add a little face after my posts, but in this case, a little humor is not warranted!!

01-24-2008, 10:08 PM	#19
cubbieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,481	if they're too stupid to follow the first rule of gun safety(always keep it pointed in a safe direction) they are too stupid to teach the rest, I can't believe no one said anything

01-24-2008, 10:15 PM	#20
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,727	I would of embaressed that guy to the point he would of ran out of the room screaming... MA-MAaaaaaa !!!! If I had of been there. I haven't had a gun go off yet, but my son has and you'll never forget it. And waveing the guns around and sweeping the on lookers is pure stupiddity !!! My 2 cents !!! A.H