Old 01-26-2008, 11:58 PM   #1
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The State of the State

My husband and I were at a Continuing Education Session last week and the speaker there, who was an employee of the Illinois Department of Child and Family Services, said in his speech that half of the children born in Illinois are on Public Aid.

We thought he was joking...he wasn't.

What is going to happen to our future if this continues? It's a well known fact that once on Public Aid, only about 10% ever leave the system and become functioning, contributing members of the work force. A few do. We heard of one case today of a young single mother who became a nurse and today is working, self supporting, and off the system.

A generation of non workers, dependent on state funding for income and medical care is going to tighten the already strangling choke that is on the economy.

It reinforces my belief that when the SHTF, it will be through economic collapse. If social collapse doesn't get us first.

And where is the money going to come from to continue to support the 90% who never leave the system?

Be afraid, be very afraid.....
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:42 AM   #2
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I knew third generation welfare recipients in California! Oops, need a new car, let's have another kid! I'm for welfare for the truly needy, but all the healthy, lazy folks need to be trucked out to the fields every day to put in a days work for a days pay. Get the illegals out of our country and put our welfare recipients to work, and our economy will boom! And let me put it this way, it's not forced labor, if you want your welfare check, get on the truck and get to work! A bit of hunger might teach them the error of their ways.
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URINE TESTS for anyone on PUBLIC ASSISTANCE and if they fail, They LOSE their dependency on the Welfare System. If I have to be Drug Free to work, then they should be Drug Free to receive my money.
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Healthy people who don't want to work should go hungry for awhile! Sound mean, or harsh? We better do something, and soon, or we're gonna be taking care of 4th and 5th generations of laziness!
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Old 01-27-2008, 10:05 AM   #5
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URINE TESTS for anyone on PUBLIC ASSISTANCE and if they fail, They LOSE their dependency on the Welfare System. If I have to be Drug Free to work, then they should be Drug Free to receive my money.
Excellent point. And while they are at it, take away their cell phones and newer model cars. Maybe give them less money for kids, forcing them to seek employment or more education. I'm all for people getting help, and people getting help to better themselves, but we see people on welfare in our area driving newer model cars, buying name brand luxury food in the grocery store and each kid (all wearing name brand clothes) having their own cell phone. A portion of this group also is also unwashed with lice.

We were talking this morning about the problem and my husband commented that if half are on welfare now, how much is that percentage going to go up in the next 10 years? And what is going to happen to society in the long run if it does go up?
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Old 01-27-2008, 10:56 AM   #6
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URINE TESTS for anyone on PUBLIC ASSISTANCE and if they fail, They LOSE their dependency on the Welfare System. If I have to be Drug Free to work, then they should be Drug Free to receive my money.
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Wingwiper..That is one of the most sensible suggestions I have heard in years, I'm gonna put that forward for my little country (Scotland). I'm the same as you, I have to submit to random dope & alcohol tests.
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Old 01-27-2008, 03:41 PM   #7
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I agree

at work we have drug testing. I have never been bothered. Figured it wouldn't help me anyway

Awhile back we got a new GM; he and I spent time and he devoleped a liking for me at my position.
Awhile later it was announced that we were up for drug testing. GM called me and said I was to have a drug test.

Returning to my office; I wrote down morphine, marijuana, crack, coke, LSD, Quaalude's, uppers, downers, liquor, beer, wine and a bunch more.
Headed to GM's office with 3 copies, his copy, the DR.'s copy and the owners copy.

Titled: these are what I want to test.

That ended that, I used the urinal as I have my entire life.

I agree with each that has spoke about
'mandatory drug' testing. My little silliness [ever so true] point is "I aint scared of facing policy" if it is good enough for me working it should be good enough for everyone.
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Old 01-27-2008, 03:51 PM   #8
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in all fairness the children may be on assistence because of being in foster homes.
you did say that the speaker was an employee of the family and child services.
here in indiana there are a lot of kids on the roles but thats because their foster kids.
my wife and i have been fostering for 13 yrs. it has led to us adopting 5 kids who are now out of the system.
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Old 01-27-2008, 04:04 PM   #9
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i see nothing wrong with foster kids getting some support. the problem is (yes, im stereotyping) certain single mothers that continue to have one child after another, and refuse to get off their lazy A$$ and get a job to support themselves. dont think ive forgot about the dirtbag deadbeat dads that dont take ownership of their children. it is typically the woman that see's another child as a way to raise their income level.
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Old 01-27-2008, 04:15 PM   #10
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in all fairness the children may be on assistence because of being in foster homes.
you did say that the speaker was an employee of the family and child services.
here in indiana there are a lot of kids on the roles but thats because their foster kids.
my wife and i have been fostering for 13 yrs. it has led to us adopting 5 kids who are now out of the system.

That is the exception to the rule. But not around here. I don't think that percentage is going to be enough to balance out the scales.

Our compliments to you for taking on that challenge of foster parenting. We take on that challenge also in the form of Public Aide clinics where we supply health care for children on public aide basically for free. We agree with you that children are victims. Adults on the other hand for the most part, choose this life style.

The majority of the the public aid users in our area are under 30, unmarried and with three children. They are not foster parents. They are abusers of the system who are work capable, but choose not to be. We will not see adults in the clinic unless it is an emergency.

Children deserve a good start in life and if we can help them get off the system, we are going to do all we can. But people who are abusing the system have to be willing to help themselves and unfortunately, 9 out of 10 are not.

Bless you for being a foster parent and adopting 5 children into your hearts. You are good people.
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Old 01-27-2008, 04:32 PM   #11
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Big Buddy, my hat off to you and yours! What I had to say had nothing to do with victimized children. It had to do with the sloths that prey on the system. If we would get the illegals out and tell these lazy people that they're gonna work or go hungry, there would be a change in perspective. You can get welfare, but by golly you're gonna work for it! Hell, we've got illegals on welfare! Send 'em home and let their people take care of them. We cannot be sugar daddy to the world. I see advertisements on TV every day asking for money to save the world! Let's get our own backyard in order, and then see what we can do. If we bankrupt our own country, we're not going to be able to help anybody!
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Old 01-27-2008, 04:34 PM   #12
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I see nothing wrong with mandatory drug testing. Employers do this and welfare should also. Test positive and be removed from the welfare rolls for one year and have to pass a drug test to be reinstated.
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