OK my political guru's give me some input on what you think about this.
I havent been following real close, mainly because I dont think one is any better than the other. I've been keeping up with what you guys post. No racism
(1) question, Is this country mentally mature enough for a black muslim president?
It just goes to show how easy it is to ramble on and on with no substance and get the vote. The people will vote in whoever promises them the most, doesn't matter if they make good on it.
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We'll never know because Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. But I think his opponents in both parties will convince enough people he faces Mecca five times a day anyway...if they don't get him in the primaries, they'll get him in the general election.
Anyone want to start a pool on when we see the first anti-Barak Obama TV ad that has a picture of Bin Laden?
It will be interesting to see if Obama continues his success. I for one would choose Obama over Hillary and Bill. However, I believe that the reason the republicans took over the house and senate in early 90s was because of Billary.
Obama is not doing anything different than many other politicians before him. Talk for ever and say nothing. I would rather them do that than promise us the world and deliver a completely different agenda than the one they ran on.
I agree with you Troy. We have not yet begun to see the dirt that will come into play during a general election.
I just can not believe no one has brought up whitewater or cattle futures on Hillary. What about the rumor that she took things from the white house that were not hers? Just wait. This campaign will not be pretty.
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Wait a minute !!! A friend I have who lives in Tyler, TX is going to vote for this guy, buy only in the primary.
Now can you figgure out why ?
If you can't figgure ,it's his way and thosands of others to beat out Hillary Clinton.
Is he going to vote for Obama election day...NO !!!
All politicians lie, steal and cheat--it's core to their success. I wouldn't trust any one of these candidates to watch my dog for the afternoon. NONE of them. They're all frauds.
Obama may be a little easier on the eyes and ears, and have a better presence than Billary, but it appears as if his ideas and voting record are very much in line with Hillary, Kennedy and the rest of the left. More importantly, he'll surely try to appoint some nuts to the SCOTUS if he gets the chance.
Then again, the Republican field is almost just as pathetic. What passes as a conservative nowadays is laughable.
In a country with 300M+ people, THESE are the best folks we can find? Really? I know people in my neighborhood that could run this country better. Makes me sick. None of them have a moral compass, not a one.
Someone already wrote it, people are going to vote Obama in because of his color and because of the empty promises he'll spew. It's a shame people can't remember past last Friday night. If they could, they'd demand some real change. Part of that change would be to alter the way the media shapes elections. After all, the media chooses our choices for us, we just narrow it to one from a pool of corrupt individuals.
Sometimes, just sometimes, I'm thankful for the gridlock in Washington. If it weren't for that, some of these nuts would do more damage than they already have.
I say we get these jokers to actually read the Constitution and re-invent government with that document in mind. The federal government is actually charged with very little...wish they'd stick to it. I only hope that change comes someday.
Oh, and I did veer off course quite a bit... the question on whether or not we're ready for a black president? Seems clear, many citizens are fine with it. Me? Sure...I don't care if the next one is black, purple or orange...as long as he or she is just in their pursuits on behalf of the American people and this country's future. I'd vote for anyone in any party if I saw someone that fit that mold. To date, haven't seen it.
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I ain't watching the dog and pony show anymore. These people are spending an amount of money that is unbelieveable! And it's for the most thankless job in the world. And there ain't one of them standing in front of us who is a true public servant, unless you count the retired admiral, but I didn't want to start another fire. The money alone could help repair problems we are having, but instead it's going into the pockets of the kingmakers. And it would be interesting to me to know what promises are being made behind closed doors!
Let me ask this one more time (but probably not for the last time...): how can we claim to have the best system of all the countries in the world, and at the same time totally despise anyone who actually wants to serve in it? If we're getting nothing but total scumbags, as many of you say, maybe we should ditch the Constitution and elections, and just let some military officer take over like most of the world does, or choose a king, or....?
I think we should mellow out a little. People have been screaming for over two hundred years now that the country's going to hell in a handbasket, but it's still here.
All politicians lie, steal and cheat--it's core to their success. I wouldn't trust any one of these candidates to watch my dog for the afternoon. NONE of them. They're all frauds.
Obama may be a little easier on the eyes and ears, and have a better presence than Billary, but it appears as if his ideas and voting record are very much in line with Hillary, Kennedy and the rest of the left. More importantly, he'll surely try to appoint some nuts to the SCOTUS if he gets the chance.
Then again, the Republican field is almost just as pathetic. What passes as a conservative nowadays is laughable.
In a country with 300M+ people, THESE are the best folks we can find? Really? I know people in my neighborhood that could run this country better. Makes me sick. None of them have a moral compass, not a one.
Someone already wrote it, people are going to vote Obama in because of his color and because of the empty promises he'll spew. It's a shame people can't remember past last Friday night. If they could, they'd demand some real change. Part of that change would be to alter the way the media shapes elections. After all, the media chooses our choices for us, we just narrow it to one from a pool of corrupt individuals.
Sometimes, just sometimes, I'm thankful for the gridlock in Washington. If it weren't for that, some of these nuts would do more damage than they already have.
I say we get these jokers to actually read the Constitution and re-invent government with that document in mind. The federal government is actually charged with very little...wish they'd stick to it. I only hope that change comes someday.
Oh, and I did veer off course quite a bit... the question on whether or not we're ready for a black president? Seems clear, many citizens are fine with it. Me? Sure...I don't care if the next one is black, purple or orange...as long as he or she is just in their pursuits on behalf of the American people and this country's future. I'd vote for anyone in any party if I saw someone that fit that mold. To date, haven't seen it.
I have to agree with you there, I dont really care what color they are so long as they do what they say and want to look out for us instead of the corps.
It almost seems like a regular everyday Jo, a guy that has worked all his life in the turmoil of everyday life should run. He may not have the political education and exp. but he would be able to relate to the people and their concerns. That person would probably have a fighting chane at winning. Problem? how long would it be before he was corrupted by the powers within.
I still hear alot of a black guy for president there goes the country. Next it will be chicken wire around the whitehouse and chickens on the Helo. pad still alot of ignorance out there.
I think we should mellow out a little. People have been screaming for over two hundred years now that the country's going to hell in a handbasket, but it's still here.
Yes Troy, but global warming is real! Ask Al Gore, one of the demons responsible for getting us closer to hell a.k.a. global warming.
Let me ask this one more time (but probably not for the last time...): how can we claim to have the best system of all the countries in the world, and at the same time totally despise anyone who actually wants to serve in it? If we're getting nothing but total scumbags, as many of you say, maybe we should ditch the Constitution and elections, and just let some military officer take over like most of the world does, or choose a king, or....?
I think we should mellow out a little. People have been screaming for over two hundred years now that the country's going to hell in a handbasket, but it's still here.
Don't misunderstand me. I served this country for 20 years, I think the United States truly is the beacon on the hill. I wouldn't have stayed in the miiltary if I didn't believe in the ideas of this nation. The system, as intended, is great, but that is DESPITE the scumbags we have in Washington.
I'm not saying we're going to hell in a handbasket, I just see what these politicians say and do, and they ALL lie, continually. Honestly, who thinks any of these candidates truly has our best interests at heart? I used to be idealistic, but that shine quickly wears off when you watch what these folks say and what they do.
I have seen some dramatic changes in my lifetime, and I'm only 38 years old. What will it be like in another 50 years? Or 200? I've seen good changes and bad. I think most are bad. The free market, not government, has given us great strides in quality of life. You'd have to admit that many directions we've taken are not for the better, wouldn't you? I worry about the future, but I'm thankful that our system of checks and balances (the gridlock I wrote of) HELPS keep things in check.
I worry that we spend too much; worry that government keeps growing; and I worry that we're wasting our resources on police actions instead of developing strength to deter or fight real adversaries (read China). No, I don't think we're falling off the ledge tomorrow, but I do know we're taking our eye off the ball way too often. There, clearly, are better people to lead this nation than the group we're seeing emerge on TV. Wouldn't most agree?
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We'll never know because Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. But I think his opponents in both parties will convince enough people he faces Mecca five times a day anyway...if they don't get him in the primaries, they'll get him in the general election.
Anyone want to start a pool on when we see the first anti-Barak Obama TV ad that has a picture of Bin Laden?
He might have changed over to christian for business purposes.How do you think he will do in California?
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Let me ask this one more time (but probably not for the last time...): how can we claim to have the best system of all the countries in the world, and at the same time totally despise anyone who actually wants to serve in it? If we're getting nothing but total scumbags, as many of you say, maybe we should ditch the Constitution and elections, and just let some military officer take over like most of the world does, or choose a king, or....?
I think we should mellow out a little. People have been screaming for over two hundred years now that the country's going to hell in a handbasket, but it's still here.
Yeah,and they probably said the same thing about Rome and all those other empires that are now gone.
They keep saying that it's not about race,not even a little,but he did get 80% of the black vote,just co-incidence I suppose.
Of those running the closest thing I have seen to a strict Constitutionalist, which we so greatly need, is Ron Paul. If he doesn't make it through the primaries it won't be because I did not support him. To be true to myself I must vote for the candidate whom I believe will do the best job for our Country. Everyone please get out and vote for the candidate of your choice.
I think we should mellow out a little. People have been screaming for over two hundred years now that the country's going to hell in a handbasket, but it's still here.
I hope you are right, for my kid's sakes....
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Of those running the closest thing I have seen to a strict Constitutionalist, which we so greatly need, is Ron Paul. If he doesn't make it through the primaries it won't be because I did not support him. To be true to myself I must vote for the candidate whom I believe will do the best job for our Country. Everyone please get out and vote for the candidate of your choice.
I agree, he's the closest we have to a Constitutionalist. I don't know a lot about the man, but from what I've heard him say, he has some pretty good ideas.
It made me SICK to see the way the media tried to belittle him during the debates. Was it MSNBC? The moderator chuckled as he asked Mr. Paul if he thought he really had a chance. That's what I'm talking about when I say I despise the way the media narrows down our choices for us. They should show him (and other minimized candidates) the same amount of respect as any of their politcal darlings...and give them equal time, but they don't. They narrow the field for us; all we get to do is pick the least evil from a pool that we didn't sculpt.
I'd like to pick a bone with the first post:
"Is this country mentally mature enough for a black muslim president?"
The statement is quite a loaded one. First it implies that if anyone has a cow with a black Muslim president, well then they're just immature. Second, it alludes to the fact that if Obama is rejected for his own merits that it's really because he's black and Muslim.
I think this country is completely ready for a black president, and that most people will say so. The problem is that the black man closest to the presidency at the moment is a man who has a lot on his agenda that is contrary to historical American principles. The fact that they trump up Obama's race while completely snubbing Alan Keyes is despicable, more so than what they're doing to Ron Paul. BTW, Keyes did beat out McCain for second place in some of the 2000 primaries. I also wish JC Watts would consider running.
And as far as whether or not America would accept a Muslim president (which Obama is not), the fact is that Christianity invented religious freedom, despite what some emperors or kings mistook Christianity for. Our Constitution was written by Christians and Universalists (or as they called themselves, "Liberals") as a way to live together peacefully with equal rights for all. While some Muslim nations have extended some degree of "tolerance" for non-Muslims, they have consistently been treated as second class citizens (ie higher taxes, limited rights) and have never had the same freedom to openly speak their faith.
When JFK was elected and people worried about him being Roman Catholic and having obedience to the Vactican before America, his answer was that he would resign if they ever came into conflict. You can be a Christian above all else and have no conflict with being an American because America was founded on the principle not to get in the way of people's Christian conscience, as well as a number of other beliefs. But there are some religions out there who don't uphold religious freedom, and that's where religious freedom has its limits, which is the same place all areas of freedom have their limits - when you begin to encroach upon the freedom of others.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with Muslims being Americans if they agree to live within the law. But if I'm not comfortable with a Muslim holding the highest executive office in the country, it's not because of my level of maturity.
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He might have changed over to christian for business purposes.How do you think he will do in California?
To "change over," he'd have to have been a Muslim to begin with. He never was.
I have no idea how he'll do in the state as a whole, but I think he has a chance. The only people I'm getting any feedback from are the small-town, blatantly racist hicks I work with, and I doubt I can judge the whole state by them.
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Yeah,and they probably said the same thing about Rome and all those other empires that are now gone.
Everything passes eventually. But we aren't an empire, and you can't predict our future by looking at bygone empires.
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They keep saying that it's not about race,not even a little,but he did get 80% of the black vote,just co-incidence I suppose.
It may have been about race with SC black voters. That doesn't mean it has to be about race with everyone else. If it comes down to that he'll lose, because blacks are outnumbered something like ten to one in this country.
I'd like to pick a bone with the first post:
"Is this country mentally mature enough for a black muslim president?"
The statement is quite a loaded one. First it implies that if anyone has a cow with a black Muslim president, well then they're just immature. Second, it alludes to the fact that if Obama is rejected for his own merits that it's really because he's black and Muslim.
I think this country is completely ready for a black president, and that most people will say so. The problem is that the black man closest to the presidency at the moment is a man who has a lot on his agenda that is contrary to historical American principles. The fact that they trump up Obama's race while completely snubbing Alan Keyes is despicable, more so than what they're doing to Ron Paul. BTW, Keyes did beat out McCain for second place in some of the 2000 primaries. I also wish JC Watts would consider running.
And as far as whether or not America would accept a Muslim president (which Obama is not), the fact is that Christianity invented religious freedom, despite what some emperors or kings mistook Christianity for. Our Constitution was written by Christians and Universalists (or as they called themselves, "Liberals") as a way to live together peacefully with equal rights for all. While some Muslim nations have extended some degree of "tolerance" for non-Muslims, they have consistently been treated as second class citizens (ie higher taxes, limited rights) and have never had the same freedom to openly speak their faith.
When JFK was elected and people worried about him being Roman Catholic and having obedience to the Vactican before America, his answer was that he would resign if they ever came into conflict. You can be a Christian above all else and have no conflict with being an American because America was founded on the principle not to get in the way of people's Christian conscience, as well as a number of other beliefs. But there are some religions out there who don't uphold religious freedom, and that's where religious freedom has its limits, which is the same place all areas of freedom have their limits - when you begin to encroach upon the freedom of others.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with Muslims being Americans if they agree to live within the law. But if I'm not comfortable with a Muslim holding the highest executive office in the country, it's not because of my level of maturity.
BRG3 that was the point of the post, I have not been following very closley as I stated and I know a great deal of you guys have and I could get better input here.
I used inmature for a lack of a better word my apologies, but maybe in P.A. where you are racism isnt a issue but here where I am it is not so much in Nashville because there is a lot of interracial couples here, but start moving away from here and the people I run into at work are having a cow over a black man as president or even a woman. And alot of the southern states are the same way, I work with with guys that come in from other locals from the states that surround TN and not one has had a good thing to say about it so racism is alive and kicking, even back home in Miami the black community is looked down on, but not by whites by the hispanics. The only thing I have noticed that black and white have sided on here is against illegal immigrants.
If he is not muslim than I stand corrected the input I wanted and was looking for.
I personally dont care if the guy is green running around with a bone in his nose, so long as he does for us as the people and our country and not feed us a pack of lies and go the other direction.
): how can we claim to have the best system of all the countries in the world, and at the same time totally despise anyone who actually wants to serve in it? If we're getting nothing but total scumbags, as many of you say, maybe we should ditch the Constitution and elections, and just let some military officer take over like most of the world does, or choose a king, or....?
