[mym1a]

hmmmm think i mentioned this the other day??? could bury it deep enough were the temp would remain mild, placed in a water tight container with a desacent or dry rice, immediate area of the container line with a few inches of gravel?????cover with dirt and remember were you put it?????

[SwedeSteve]

Put it in soda bottles, and put a potato on top! Dessicant is all you really need.

[ezearln]

leftyo I assume you were an IC Man in the service? As I recall, I may not remember the exact terminology just right but except for ready service lockers each magazine had four (4) types of alarm sensors, High Temperature (sounds at temps above 125), sprinkling (sounds when the magazine sprinkler systems engaged), flooding (sounds when a level switch is activated indicating flooding) and intrusion (sounds when unauthorized entry is made into a magazine) Now specialty magazines (ie: hypergolic and nuclear) had additional sensors, but those were the four of primary concern.

[lefty o]

yep, i was an IC man. i dont remember everything either, its been a long time. there were for a fact, high temp sensors(usually mounted on the I-beams in the overhead), flooding sensors (floats mounted about an inch off the deck). others in a normal magazine i dont recall. nuclear weapons magazines had additional security alarms, that are classified. they were basically an entry alarm designed so that they could not be bypassed unless you really knew that exact sytem, beyond that the word is Mum!

[mym1a]

potato and soda bottles?????

[ezearln]

leftyo as I recall (though I didn't like spending anymore time in them than needed to perform my inspections) the Hypergolic magazines also had chemical sensors that sounded if any OTTO(hypergolic) fuel was detected. Forgive me I cannot remember the exact full chemical name but for those who are scratching their heads wondering what Hypergolc Magazines are the best basic description I can give you is this: Hypergolic (Chemical fuel) magazines are designed and equipped for the safe storage of munitions utilizing hypergolic (reactive chemicals) as their propulsive element. Hypergolic fueled munitions present an extreme caustic hazard and must be handled and stored with these hazards in mind. Two of these chemicals Hydrazine and Nitrogen Tetroxide are especially hazardous due to Nitrogen Tetroxides reactive nature to seawater (egads seawater is exactly what is used in magazine sprinkling systems for fire supression) Since such is true these magazines usually (at least when I was on active duty) used a huge reserve tank of fresh water tanked and under moderate pressure to initiate deluge flooding of the magazine which after the tank was exhausted shifted to seawater under 150PSI . The purpose of which is in essence to overwhelm the quantity of hazardous fuel with a substantially larger quantity of seawater and additional consideration is when mixed with seawater Nitrogen Tetroxide produces Nitric acid gas and liquid which is beyond toxic and caustic to everything it touches! Old memories.... is all and a little inside info to those who don't know.

[samuel]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

ok back to square one, 24inches of solid building insulation will just have to do.. there is NO OTHER PLACE i can put this shit. this is where it is going to be . that box will have an R factor of 120!!!!!!!!!!!!! an average 2x6 stud insulated house wall has a r factor of r 19 it will be impossible for the box inside temp to match the peak temps of the shed.

I would fill the whole building with styrofoam and at todays prices you wont be able to afford ammo anyway but you can drag the styrofoam out and shoot arows in it.Some day I am going to go out and check and see if my ammo has deteriorated or blown up.Some has been there for years.I should have asked the Navy how to do it before I stored it.Dont know why it keeps on working when I get some and shoot it.Guess no one told it how it should have been stored and that it needed thousands of dollars of equipment to keep it from going bad.Hope it doesnt hear this. samuel

[billy]

will my styrofoam spontaneously combust?
c'mon you guys you are freakin me out!

[samuel]

Only if you pour good old Navy salt water on it.Dont pee on it. sam.

[billy]

that ammo is going in a glorified beer cooler inside of a $100 shed.

this isnt for the imaginary SHTF this is because i dont have space in my living room for some ammo.

[lefty o]

keep it out of extreme heat, and it'll be fine.

[ezearln]

Samuel, now I don't know where you live nor do I have a reasonable picture in my mind as to your storage of your ammunition. What I am very aware of is the climate extremes we see here in South and West Texas and of most of the southwest overall. I also know exactly just what type of building billy is describing in which he wants to store his ammunition since he hasn't anywhere suitable within his home to do so. I know this because I have one myself but I do have space in my home to store ammunition in which I can be sure it isn't exposed to extreme high temperatures.
Now samuel down here in this part of the country them little tin buildings can get dangerously hot inside during the high days of summer, even with extra ventilation/insulation it isn't unusual to see temperatures within them of 180degrees F or above on a regular basis. Now your attempt at witty sarcasm aside I did not imply nor suggest to billy he outfit his lil shed with alarms, and sensors, a fire supression system or a chill water cooling system. What I did suggest after he detailed what he wanted to do was for his safety and for prudence sake was to obtain a simple relatively inexpensive (about $20 with shipping) high/low recording thermometer which he could check every other day or so to assure himself that his valuable ammunition wasn't being exposed to dangerously high temperatures. I'd also like to point out that your attempt at humor in your response to billys post about his styrofoam insulation combusting isn't appreciated. I tried giving a fellow G&G member here sound advice on a prudent safety step he could take for his own peace of mind and his own safety.

[samuel]

OK. sam.