[The_Patriot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

How many of Bush's advisors have resigned? It is quite a few if I recall. I never liked the Bush family at all, or their politics, or their businesses either. Too much self interest on their part, and too much self interest scares me that they will make worse decisions to better them self. You would think that being in office people should be more selfless, but it never works out that way. I do think that if you hold a job in government office you should not be allowed to be a member of a board for any other company nor affiliated with any other company. It just gives too much of a bias for self interest. Just like Haliburton.

The words you were searching for are "conflict of interest." Many are "leaders' are corrupt; they're all in it together to take advantage of their positions. That's why I want term limits...to *try* to break up some of the entrenched corruption.

As far as Halliburton, I've never liked why all that stink is on the Republicans exlusively. George Soros (big lib financeer) has owned upwards of a $100 million of Halliburton stock. He's in bed with them, too. I would agree that there's lots of shady things going on with Halliburton, but it's not exclusive to any political party.

[tlarkin]

Perhaps you are right, but when the VP of our country has served on their board, and still most likely does and gets kick backs gives all government contracts to Haliburton, how is that not self interest?

Conflict of interest is where if you need to make a non biased decision but have an opinion, inside information, or personally know people involved. Self interest is when it will line your pockets full of money or benefit you in some other way. I think there is a small but definite difference.

[The_Patriot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

Perhaps you are right, but when the VP of our country has served on their board, and still most likely does and gets kick backs gives all government contracts to Haliburton, how is that not self interest? Conflict of interest is where if you need to make a non biased decision but have an opinion, inside information, or personally know people involved. Self interest is when it will line your pockets full of money or benefit you in some other way. I think there is a small but definite difference.

It is wrong, clearly. But many of them do it. Lots of corruption going on...not exclusive to any party or person, though. We need to clean house, but can't break the media's hold. There will be people going into the voting booth this Fall that couldn't name a single branch of government, or tell you anything about this country's history, or even tell you who the current administration members are. But they'll go in there and pull a lever because they saw someone's face on Oprah. Makes me sick. It's going to be hard to overcome that kind of power. (Oprah was just an example, not an attack on one candidate, etc.).

You're right. It's self interest.

[tlarkin]

You are also correct, Oil companies are just of one that I hate. Drug companies and health care are the others. The reason why republicans get a bad rep with this is because they are more of the ones that are involved in this. Plus certain republicans just give all republicans a bad rep. O'rielly, Ann Coulter, and Gingrich to name a few. Now, this is not to say that other parties are innocent. Even Nader has skeletons in his closet. Hillary was all about unified health care when she was first lady. The drug companies bought her off and contributed nearly 800k to her campaign fund, now she is all about private sector health care. What a crock of crap in my mind.

That is why I am a registered Independent, I hate all political parties.

We have more health care lobbyist than any other industry in DC. Our health care is ranked, 37th in the world. That is right. People think that we have the best health care and that people are coming into our country to get it because its the best. My uncle argued that with me last family get together. He thinks we are ranked #1 in health care. He is way wrong. It is this ignorance that we just have the best everything doesn't drive anyone to change.
The government should fear its citizens, not the other way around. We are either too uneducated or too lazy to make a change. If we all stood up and marched down to DC and went on a total national strike like some other countries do, they would have to listen to us. The problem is we fight over other things which seem more important at the time like abortion, religion, gay marriage, gun control, drug control, etc. I think the things that really matter are never discussed because people can't get off their high horse and have an adult conversation about something and try to make a change. Instead we want to argue our beliefs and not listen to anyone else's.

[mdj696]

Woooooo! Your expecting people with some form of intellengence in the voting booth? The dumming down of America is in full swing, has been for a while. As a kid I remember Kruchev visit to America stating we will take America, not from the outside, but from the inside, starting with its youth. I personally know a grammar school teacher has no clue about the civil war. History is nonexistant in schools, the way we were taught. I've done projects in high schools for many years teaching kids about Viet Nam. You say the word draft to them, they think your talking about some kind of beer. Personally I was a draft dodger, I enlisted.

[Rave]

Quote:       Originally Posted by kspriggs

iam no hillary fan but they are saying she won nys and who is this ron paul guy whats the story on him

Ron Paul is the nobody that my wife and I voted for.

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

How many of Bush's advisors have resigned? It is quite a few if I recall. I never liked the Bush family at all, or their politics, or their businesses either. Too much self interest on their part, and too much self interest scares me that they will make worse decisions to better them self. You would think that being in office people should be more selfless, but it never works out that way. I do think that if you hold a job in government office you should not be allowed to be a member of a board for any other company nor affiliated with any other company. It just gives too much of a bias for self interest. Just like Haliburton.

I suspect that they will be waiting in the wings for the next Bush.

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

You are also correct, Oil companies are just of one that I hate. Drug companies and health care are the others. The reason why republicans get a bad rep with this is because they are more of the ones that are involved in this. Plus certain republicans just give all republicans a bad rep. O'rielly, Ann Coulter, and Gingrich to name a few. Now, this is not to say that other parties are innocent. Even Nader has skeletons in his closet. Hillary was all about unified health care when she was first lady. The drug companies bought her off and contributed nearly 800k to her campaign fund, now she is all about private sector health care. What a crock of crap in my mind. That is why I am a registered Independent, I hate all political parties. We have more health care lobbyist than any other industry in DC. Our health care is ranked, 37th in the world. That is right. People think that we have the best health care and that people are coming into our country to get it because its the best. My uncle argued that with me last family get together. He thinks we are ranked #1 in health care. He is way wrong. It is this ignorance that we just have the best everything doesn't drive anyone to change. The government should fear its citizens, not the other way around. We are either too uneducated or too lazy to make a change. If we all stood up and marched down to DC and went on a total national strike like some other countries do, they would have to listen to us. The problem is we fight over other things which seem more important at the time like abortion, religion, gay marriage, gun control, drug control, etc. I think the things that really matter are never discussed because people can't get off their high horse and have an adult conversation about something and try to make a change. Instead we want to argue our beliefs and not listen to anyone else's.

Agreed,and IMO the worst of the lot is the insurance lobby,they run our lives.

[tlarkin]

Oh god don't get me started on insurance companies and how what they do is illegal.....My head might explode!!

[The_Patriot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rave

Ron Paul is the nobody that my wife and I voted for.

I tell you, I was screaming at my TV when I saw the way MSNBC's hitman demeaned Paul by asking him, "do you think you really have a chance?" as he LAUGHED at him during the debate. What a farce. He, along with a lot of other candidates, should get equal attention and respect. I despise the way the media forms our choices. It's insane that we allow them to choose who we get to vote for. We need a better way to find better candidates. As I said earlier, of 300 million people, I KNOW there are better leaders and better PEOPLE out there.

On a related note, why the hell have the Republicans done so many debates with lib announcers? You won't see the donkeys getting moderated by any conservative. I'd love to see O'Reilly or Hannity moderate one of their debates and give them a little of their own medicine. They'll never agree to it though. Why do the Elephants? Just to get exposure?

[TXplt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by mdj696

Woooooo! Your expecting people with some form of intellengence in the voting booth? The dumming down of America is in full swing, has been for a while. As a kid I remember Kruchev visit to America stating we will take America, not from the outside, but from the inside, starting with its youth. I personally know a grammar school teacher has no clue about the civil war. History is nonexistant in schools, the way we were taught. I've done projects in high schools for many years teaching kids about Viet Nam. You say the word draft to them, they think your talking about some kind of beer. Personally I was a draft dodger, I enlisted.

That's where part of the draft idea came from (again, not advocating it in practice because of the damage it would do to our forces, and its questionable constitutionality ?).

Many of us have children who have, are, or will be serving in our armed forces. I guaran-dam-tee ya that we have a strong interest in how our political process turns out. Our concern for the future of our country is extreme in this respect. Now, let's extrapolate that a little bit--let's say that you're a parent. No matter whether or not your son or daughter volunteers, they're a potential combatant in any conflicts that might happen. There's no longer the "happens to the other guy" or "not invented here" philosophy by anyone. Whoever is in political office is going to have a very direct impact in your life. No matter who you are, how much money you have, or where you live. Think folks would care a little more about the quality of our politicians then ?

Just a thought.

[mym1a]

I don't see how we are winning with McCain? he might as well be a democrat??????

[The_Patriot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by mym1a

I don't see how we are winning with McCain? he might as well be a democrat??????

I think that's why he's a media darling on the Republican side. It's the democrats' Plan B. If neither of their first 2 horses make it, they don't lose much with their third (McCain).

[mym1a]

it brakes my heart to say this but the republicans have betrayed us!!!! I think there is an attempt to water down or minimize the conservatives,were probably better off trying to save the house and senate and let the dems screw things up!become obstructionists just like the dems!!!

Quote:       Originally Posted by The_Patriot

I think that's why he's a media darling on the Republican side. It's the democrats' Plan B. If neither of their first 2 horses make it, they don't lose much with their third (McCain).

I think your right, regardless of who wins it all favors the liberals

[nathangdad]

News flash that Hillary just loaned her campaign $5mil . Interesting that she is not spending her own money and expects it to be paid back to her. Says a lot about her as a person.

The New York based news media just cannot let go of Hillary as the annointed New Yorker even though she is really a transplant to the state. It took them a long time to give up on Gulliani. They will hold forth about her campaign to the bitter end then blame middle class America for not accepting her leadership.

After all, the brilliant media knows who is best and we all know if Obama wins the nomination
it was because the public was just not smart enough to get the New York media message.

Poor us - so unsophisticated, so lost

[Windwalker]

I agree that there should be rules for running for elected office.
1. You must resign from any office held prior to running for another office.
2. You must resign from any company or corporation prior to running for an elected
office.
3. All elected offices will be limited to two terms of service.
I am sure that there are others but these would be a good start.

[mym1a]

amazing how this country would even consider 2 new yorkers and one carpetbagger from nY for president ???????

[Paper]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rave

Ron Paul is the nobody that my wife and I voted for.

Don't feel bad.. I did the same..

But my CMP H&R M1 Garand arrived today, and I feel better now...

[Rave]

Yeah,I have to agree,a new toy always helps!

[mdj696]

New word for 2008. ELECTILE DYSFUNCION; the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.

[troy2000]

Personally, I don't see this media fervor for Hillary that some of you are complaining about. They do tend to swing to whichever candidate is "hot" at the moment, and carry on about them, but that's part of their job, after all: to cover the stories people are interested in.

And I don't know how the Republican Party works it these days, but here in California people still don't know how many delegates Hillary and Obama each won. That's because only half of California's delegates to the Democratic Convention are selected on the basis of the statewide vote. Those are apportioned according to what percentage each candidate won statewide.

The other half are selected according to who won each Congressional District. Unfortunately for the counters, that means they can't just look at each county's official vote tally. Each county's vote has to be broken down according to which district it's in, and some counties have parts in several districts. Then all those subtotals have to be collected and added up for each district, before deciding who won. It takes a while.