Prison looming

[Cyrille]

I say this to that Noel and I'm not being mean or angry when I say "Don't worry be happy," is typical Left Coast thinking! At least that's how California(ns) come across to me and I dare say to the majority of middle class Americans.

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by Cyrille

I don't know how the rest of you guys and gals on this forum feel about the upcoming presidental election but I feel that I am just waiting for the prison door to clang shut shortly after "whoever" takes office.
I feel that not only is our precious "Bill of Rights" at stake but the entire U.S. Constitution as well as our way of life and all that our fore fathers held and we hold sacred. to tell the truth I'm damn scared!

before giving up hope, we need to be as active and vocal as other civil rights activists, granted our group doesn't foster professional protesters as our liberal friends do. but look how effective women, minorities and gays are at demanding their rights! we need to be seen and heard!!

[Noel]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob

Oh......... MY............ Gawd! Er...... I believe it was Roosevelt..........And he said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."

Sorry... I don't know... It just comes out now and then

Originally Posted by Cyrille

I say this to that Noel and I'm not being mean or angry when I say "Don't worry be happy," is typical Left Coast thinking! At least that's how California(ns) come across to me and I dare say to the majority of middle class Americans.

You really can’t judge Californians by what you see on TV anymore then you can judge New York by New York City if that makes since to you… There is a time to fight and a time to pray; but at this point in time, all you can do is vote and pray… Any thing else will cause the prison doors to shut, which solve nothing… I wasn’t really looking to start a debate here… Sorry…

[Windwalker]

The way things are shaping up scares me too. The candidates leave a lot to be desired but not having elections at all would be worse. I fear a martial law scenario coming. Hope I am wrong.

[mym1a]

well when and if that day comes the line in the sand will pretty much have been drawn! I guess we all have to do some soul searching???

[blaster]

stockpile bullets,primers,powder and loaded ammo. while your at it, buy a few more guns! Comrade Clinton's assault on weapons ban is very likely to re-appear.

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by blaster

stockpile bullets,primers,powder and loaded ammo. while your at it, buy a few more guns! Comrade Clinton's assault on weapons ban is very likely to re-appear.

A buddy of mine has over 5,700 rounds of .223 and .308 at his house! He won't even light a candle in his house and makes me put my cigarette out a block away! LOL!

[Cyrille]

Well Noel to kinda quote a line from "A Knight's Tail" the Keith Leger movie " You have been, tried, you have been tested, and you have been found wanting." Meaning of course, California as a whole! Back in "ancient times" when I was in the service of this country late fifties, early sixties; California was a decent place to live But with the advent of the "flower children" it started on the road to becoming a socialist state and as far as I can tell it has now reached the apex of being just that!
That is my preception of what the "Left Coast" has become and until that preception is changed by the natives of that state then I may acknowledge that it is so.
As the old saying goes "A rotten apple will spoil the whole barrel." And California has two or three So when and if L.A. and S.F. and Hollyweird become wholesome American cities again that is when and if I will change my preception of the entire state. But then Flordia on the east coast has almost as bad a reputation as does California.

[Rave]

Originally Posted by Cyrille

Well Noel to kinda quote a line from "A Knight's Tail" the Keith Leger movie " You have been, tried, you have been tested, and you have been found wanting." Meaning of course, California as a whole! Back in "ancient times" when I was in the service of this country late fifties, early sixties; California was a decent place to live But with the advent of the "flower children" it started on the road to becoming a socialist state and as far as I can tell it has now reached the apex of being just that!
That is my preception of what the "Left Coast" has become and until that preception is changed by the natives of that state then I may acknowledge that it is so.
As the old saying goes "A rotten apple will spoil the whole barrel." And California has two or three So when and if L.A. and S.F. and Hollyweird become wholesome American cities again that is when and if I will change my preception of the entire state. But then Flordia on the east coast has almost as bad a reputation as does California.

Hummmm,I dunno. Florida has some excellent gun laws,better than most states,heck we don't even have any switchblade laws.
I am not sure of the rest of you're statements. As far as rotten apples,oh,yeah,we do have a bunch of them,like insurance lobbyists mostly,and folks comeing in from all over the world,but our gun laws are good.

[snuffysmith]

Cyrille, I wish you were wrong but I think you're not. I feel myself that we are in for some dark times ahead in America and I don't think the American people are prepared to change things yet. I fear there will be a domino effect when the
Dumbacrats get in the White House. Once things start to fall, it will go on for a long time and the sheeple are in for a big surprise. I hope we're wrong, but I don't think so.

Snuffy

[Seabeescotty]

Well, I'm gonna study, ponder, wonder, hope, and vote the MAN that seems to be the best bet for our preservation. And please fellas, we're all in the same boat, so let's try to keep it afloat! Arguing 'mongst ourselves ain't gonna help us at all!

[Noel]

Originally Posted by Cyrille

Well Noel to kinda quote a line from "A Knight's Tail" the Keith Leger movie " You have been, tried, you have been tested, and you have been found wanting." Meaning of course, California as a whole! Back in "ancient times" when I was in the service of this country late fifties, early sixties; California was a decent place to live But with the advent of the "flower children" it started on the road to becoming a socialist state and as far as I can tell it has now reached the apex of being just that!
That is my preception of what the "Left Coast" has become and until that preception is changed by the natives of that state then I may acknowledge that it is so.
As the old saying goes "A rotten apple will spoil the whole barrel." And California has two or three So when and if L.A. and S.F. and Hollyweird become wholesome American cities again that is when and if I will change my preception of the entire state. But then Flordia on the east coast has almost as bad a reputation as does California.

Unless you have lived here all your life, you can not have possible gathered enough information to make an accurate judge of the condition of this state… anymore than I can think of you as a hillbilly by you location and words… and even at that it best to let our Creator do the judging… As I had said before I did not want to start a debate on any subject … So I will be done now, and I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone… Noel

[Cyrille]

I don't consider stating my preception of what I believe is wrong with this country an "arguement" Really I believe that mandatory military service should be required of all males in good condition in mind and body and that the idea of an all volunteer military while lauable, is not best for this county. I realize that the "draft" can be reinstituted at any time. but I also believe that it should never have been "put aside", so to speak. The only proven way a country can remain true to its ideals is to have a strong military and to use that military approprately. I realize that I have gone off on a tangent. But if IMO, we hadn't "retired" the draft and made all elegable males serve time in the military arm of their choice this country would be in a hellofalot better shape than it is now! The military taught me a lot about what it takes to remain the type of country our fore fathers envisioned it could be.
I hope that news man who wrote "The Greatest Generation" was wrong and that we have yet to generate "The Greatest Generation" And I don't mean to take anything away from our WWII veterans, I mean witout their sacrefices we would not be here today as we are. We owe them a debt of graitude that can never be fully paid. But I think a more approprate title for that book would have been; The Greatest Generation To Date

[Seabeescotty]

We've got a pretty great generation serving right now! I have seen the good side of serving, and the unfortunate results of serving right in my own family, but the sacrifice must be made if we, as a nation, are to survive. The rest of the world would like nothing more than to see us go down in defeat.

[Cyrille]

Well, Noel You have not offended me. I feel the way I do because of all the c--p that your state of residence has spewed out over the years and is still trying to force down our collective throat(s) I could state various "causes" by name that your state of residence has attempted to force on the rest of this country but that would not be "politically correct" and would only start a large, angry melee. I believe you when you say that not all of California is L.A. or S.F. or Hollywierd, but that is all the rest of this country sees. Now if three other cities and/or towns would show the rest of us another view of your state of residence and make it "stick" as well as the three cities mentioned have colored our view that would go a long way to altering what IMO is the way your state of residence is perceived by the greater part of this country.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Cyrille

I don't know how the rest of you guys and gals on this forum feel about the upcoming presidental election but I feel that I am just waiting for the prison door to clang shut shortly after "whoever" takes office.
I feel that not only is our precious "Bill of Rights" at stake but the entire U.S. Constitution as well as our way of life and all that our fore fathers held and we hold sacred. to tell the truth I'm damn scared!

Let's keep a little perspective here, Cyrille. Exactly what rights do you see the next president trying to take away from us? Frankly, I can't imagine that he/she could possibly be any worse about ignoring the Bill of Rights than the one we have now.

You need to learn to relax a little and get some perspective. Doomsday is always around the corner according to some folks, but it hasn't hit yet.

And in actuality, some of our rights are being taken better care of now than they've been in times past. Read your history and learn, for example, how during World War I the Espionage Act was used to destroy the labor movement in this country, and the Industrial Workers of the World in particular. Their unpardonable act of treason: allowing legal immigrants and blacks to join their unions.

Oh...and the California bashing? That's just plain silly. Get a grip, for heaven's sake. In some ways, California beats the living crap out of your state. I guarantee there's less political corruption, for one thing. Less racism, too. And last time I checked, our cities were still safer than your New Orleans was even before the hurricane. To top it off and add insult to injury, our disaster preparedness is better.

[Cyrille]

I waz wondering when you were going to "chime in" Mr. Troy I know/knew about the "espionage act," but unlike you I don't believe that it's a "primrose path" we're about to tread upon. I believe that at best, this is the beginning of the end of the United States we have grown to love and cherish and unless a miracle or something too terrible to comtemplate happens we will lose everything our forefathers and others have fought for. This is my opinion and only that.
Oh and by the bye I fully agree with the last paragraph of your post and what I would say about "Chocolate City" is to say the least very politically incorrect.

[troy2000]

I'm not promising you a primrose path, Cyrille; just business as usual. The country will go on one way or another, whether you light your hair on fire and run in circles or not.

There'll be some good stuff happen, and some very bad stuff, and lots of stuff in between, and the nation will endure. Have some faith in your own country; do you really believe it's that fragile? Look back at all it has endured for over 200 years, and look forward to what's coming, and believe in America.

[Cyrille]

I believe in the United States of America and in her people and that the people will in the end do what needs to be done. I also believe that something terrible is going to happen to this country before (if?) we are ever to come to our senses again. From I know of history [U.S. & world] and what I see happening in [to] our country I fear for Her continued existance in the present form. I fear that we will once again have to go through the crucible once more before our country comes to its senses and establishes once again a goverment "of the people, by the people and for the people." I pray that I am mistaken, but I fear that I am not!

[Seabeescotty]

I"ve been trying to go with positive objectivity lately, and anybody can find anything bad to say about almost any subject. I moved away from California, because of things I couldn't deal with anymore. But it's not enough of a reason to just go bashing a state that I lived in and loved for many years. If you want to change the way business is done, get out there and stump! Get on your soap box and have at it! Watch what the candidates are doing and saying, and excercise your right to vote. I have been getting everything I can to try and make a difference by voting, and speaking my piece, if I can get folks to listen! I don't want to live under more bans, so I'll vote for the person who I believe will protect my rights. And I will prob'ly continue to speak my feelings about politicians, but I'm done bashing fellow members and their states. I'm gonna do my best to stick to my guns, and if I forget, I'm sure I'll be reminded.