I just bought a second-hand RWS air rifle that came with an RWS 4x32 scope that is NOT parallax ajustable. I am looking for another scope that is parallax ajustable, because air rifles are used at short ranges.
The Leapers "Bug Buster" scope seem to fit the size range I need (less than 12" long to keep the loading port unobstructed) and they can adjust parallax down to 15'. There seem to be two of them: a 4x32 and a 6x32. They are rated for heavy spring-gun recoil, and, they are really inexpensive.
Does anybody have any experience with either of these models? Is the image quaity any good?
I bought the 4X32. Have yet to use it, but it appears to be well made. In looking through it, it appears to have decent clarity. The optional black crosshair or the red or green illuminated crosshairs to me, is a plus. They work great and you can adjust the brightness. I can't rate it as far as use, because I've yet to mount and use it. Been to dam cold for that where I'm at still. lol Oh and I only paid $54.99 for mine. So that made it a tad bit easier for me to give it a try. They seem to do a pretty decent true strength test on them to make sure they'll hold up under the worst of shock or gun kick.
G-Meister
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matter of opinion. we shall see. For the mount I'm using and what it's going on, I'm not about to ruin an expensive scope just for trial and error. If it holds up, it's a plus. But for an air rifle, ? no problem. I got mine for what I did cuz the guy did me a solid and gave me a break, took less profit to do so. But even at 80 bucks or there abouts, to some, that aint cheap. Sure, $200 is probably the minimum for a good scope. Some don't have $200. Should they not shoot with a scope because of it? Besides, some lower end scopes can turn out to be just as good as the middle of the road ones that cost twice as much. I shall soon find out.
Worse comes to worse, I send it for warranty. If they fix or replace, I now have it to sell or put on an air rifle. But until I see it the mount won't trash the scope, I'm not putting a Leupold, Nikon or other some what expensive scope on it. And the application they were wondering was for an air rifle, not a 30-06. lol
G-Meister
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Last edited by GlockMeister; 02-11-2008 at 12:15 PM.
I already know they are inexpensive. What I want to know is why you say they are "junk." Is the image not clear? Do they fog-up? Do they fail to hold zero? (The last seems unlikely, since the air gun company tests seem to support their use on heavy recoiling airguns.)
i only base my opinion on the 1 sitting on my shelf( it was free). pure garbage. i believe if you do some searches on other forums, you'll find about 90% of folks agree with me.
What RWS is it? Theres quite a difference between a model 34 and a 350..
My take is the Bug Buster models just don't seem to hold up long on some of the more scope abusive springers. Leapers does rate thier scopes for spring airguns, but from what I've heard its a bit of a crapshoot as to whether they will hold up or not. The smaller Bug buster models don't seem to get along very well with medium to higher powered spring guns.
When I spoke to one of the techs at Leapers, they told me it would hold up on an SKS. The guy I got mine from, says he has one on his 30-06, only difference is it is the 6X32 model. And they tested it on an air rifle and a ,416 Rigby.
If you go to their website Link below the word OPTICS IS IT, and click on True strength and let the page load, you can read how they tested them. They not only put them on a machine but as I said, on an air rifle and a .416 Rigby. .416 Rigby, nothing to scoff at as far as kick. And the .416 Rigby isn't a spring gun/break barrel air rifle. So if it can withstand that, it can pretty much handle most anything, except maybe a .50 cal? OPTICS If you click on real world testing, you get the air gun and rifle test, if you click on production testing you get the recoil resistance testing (turn off pop up blocker/s).
I'd also add that the Bug Buster is part of there new True Strength line.
G-Meister
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Last edited by GlockMeister; 02-12-2008 at 02:56 AM.
The RWS is a Model 48, which is considered a heavy recoiling spring air rifle (advertised at 1100 fps).
Lefty o,
Again, you have not said what is wrong with the "one sitting on your shelf." I am perfectly capable of searching other forums. There are a lot of unsupported opinions out there. It doesn't really matter to me if some others share your opinion. What I am looking for is real experience with the product I am interested in or related products from the same manufacturer. Do you have any real experience with that scope "sitting on your shelf?" Or, did you just assume it was junk because you got it "for free?" If you looked through it, please tell me how its clarity compares to other scopes you have? If you ever mounted it on a rifle, did it hold zero? Give me some real information to work with, please.
I am looking for another scope that is parallax ajustable, because air rifles are used at short ranges.
I have the poor mans RWS (no frills) and went with a Bushnell air scope Non-A/O and got their adjustable eye piece because of my age (53) and needing a crisp crosshair at short ranges (small varmints in close).
I see the price is $30.00 less than I spent dang it. Anyway they do have an A/O for under $100.00 (link provided)
The original scope mount I had worked but I went I went extremely heavy duty don't remember why now but I think you'll see it's the lastest cool scope mount for air rifles.
I threw in a previous post pic of it hanging out the window waiting for a squirrel that had been chewing on my bike. Note the extreme angle of the barrel and scope compared to each other. Air guns are really diff in many ways.
oh, of course the techs a leapers tell you it will hold up, they cant tell you its a p.o.s. and keep their job. like i said, good luck with 'em. being cheap usually costs more in the long run.
If it were me, I would not buy a Leapers Bug Buster for the 48. I owned a RWS 48 and it is not very scope friendly. I had an older 4-12x40 Bushnell Trophy on mine, which held up well. (The newer Trophy's are made different, and are not usually reccomended for such a spring rifle)
However, I think Leapers is pretty good about warrantys, might just check and make sure first to be safe. Tell them what you plan on using it on and if it would be covered if it fails in short fashion.
The 48 is a good rifle, capable of some nice accuracy once you figure it out. Going with a lower cost scope and rings will likely just be frustrating. I remember I started with cheap rings on mine, and fought POI for a good while before I bought "good" ones to replace the junk.
oh, of course the techs a leapers tell you it will hold up, they cant tell you its a p.o.s. and keep their job.
First off, I didn't just take the Tech. at his word. How it came up was I'd called to find out if the scope were to be damaged or if it got broken while mounted and used on a firearm it may not have been intended to be used on, and before I even finished, he interrupted me and stated that if it could handle being mounted on and shot from a .416 Rigby, it can probably handle most anything. And if I were to visit their website, I could see and read about both the "real world" and the "production" testing that was/is done on this new line 5th Generation True Strength, of scopes. And that if it didn't, they'd gladly repair or replace it. Or wait, was that more lies gotta keep his job propaganda? lol I also suppose a .416 Rigby is a small bore rifle with little to no kick.
I suppose in order for them to have these statements on their website, under the True Strength category, it would have to be true. Otherwise, I suppose, that would be false advertisement and I suppose it could bring a law suit or two. Not to mention also getting them well publicized negative attention from same. Yea. they'll really want to do that.
For my application, I'd soon rather damage or break a scope that cost me, $54.99 rather then one that cost me around $200 bucks; if it even happens? I also didn't want to have to drill holes in the firearm, or have it done, as that would remove its' C&R status and I'd like to keep its' C&R status.
I also choose to believe not every one is out to screw everyone else and that not everyone has the "car salesman" approach to life.
The guy I bought it from, after explaining what I planned on using it for, told me he uses one from the same line of scopes on one of his 30-06s and has yet to have any problems. He also knows I'm in the market for about a grand in other accessories, and knows I'm coming to him and I don't think he'd risk losing that sale. A member from this forum, had also suggested it for what I planned on trying it on.
If it doesn't workout, I'll simply send it back and they'll repair or replace it and in the end, won't be out a penny. If it also doesn't work, I'll simply stick with the iron sights. There are far other rifles I'd like to get and spend the bucks for a scope on.
I appreciate and respect your and anyone else's input,thoughts and opinions. But not everyone will have the same bad luck or the same problems with a product. Sometimes, those products are even improved, and sometimes there improved dramatically. I shall see. I don't feel that roughly $60 bucks will cause me to go broke. If it does, trust me, I got far more serious things to be worrying about. lol
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Last edited by GlockMeister; 02-12-2008 at 05:08 PM.
no point in try to discuss it with you further, you've bought into it lock stock and barrel. so do you believe everything somebody working at a company tells you about its product, sales people have to love you. leapers is the lowest quality scope on the market, bar none. i would rather see you guys pick up a cheap simmons, and i dont want to get started into what kinda junk simmons makes. i own all kinds of glass, from the cheapy leapers up to a nightforce, and will not try and tell you that you need a nightforce on everygun you own, i will tell you in the end you will be dissapointed that you spent money on a leapers. it is however your money, and apparently pride in ownership of something you've not even used yet. like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water.....
Your posts are not convincing because you use a lot of vitriolic, emotional statements but provide little real information on the scope you have. I am assuming you never mounted in on a rifle and actually tested it. And "clarity is not great" is too ambiguous to tell if it is adequate or not. I'm not looking for a Swarovski, but I don't want it to be hazy, out of focus or see double images, even after it has been fired a thousand times. I guess I'll just have to wait for a report from GlockMeister.
I don't think I'll be disappointed I spent 60 bucks, Not to the point I'll have to ask the world to stop so I can get off, because it's to scary a ride for me. That picture/image just cracks me up. Come on lefty, laugh, you know it's funny?
Seriously lefty, lighten up, a little anyhow, don't be so negative or such a pessimist. I appreciate that you're only trying to protect me from a possible bad purchase/scope. But, it's for an experiment, something I'm trying and I'd rather not spend a small fortune on a high end scope just to have it get broken or damaged.
And to be honest, the True Strength line of Leapers scopes don't appear to be of any less quality then some of the lower end Bushnells that are running anywhere from 50-90, even 100 bucks.
Did you even check to see how they tested them? Or have you become so dead set that they are crap, you won't even peak? They just might have gotten better since your bad experience. Why is it so hard to believe they tested the scopes on a .416 Rigby?
It's ok lefty, this one scope or the $60 bucks I spent won't be the death of me. And sorry, Leapers isn't the lowest quality on the market, I'm pretty sure that award goes to Tasco. Then there is Simmons, Redfield, BSA, Barska to name a few others.
Please, don't insult my intelligence by saying I buy into anything anyone tells me about their products just to get me to buy it. I'm not stupid. I'm quite capable of researching and making an informed decision. Again, I don't believe that everyone is out to get me, and that they lie to me, or even need to, or that I believe everything, so I buy their product, like some. Not everyone is out to get us. Don't be so paranoid.
I'll let you know either way. That way if you were right, I'll gladly let you tell me I TOLD YOU SO...
I'll say it again, in case you missed it the first time. I know you just trying to protect me and prevent me from having the same bad experience you did. I truly appreciate not only that, but your and any other thoughts,opinions and input.
__________________ "My next door neighbors two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs then Obama has." - Gary Johnson
Last edited by GlockMeister; 02-12-2008 at 06:01 PM.
what more can i give you, ive compared it with numerous other scopes and it has come up short, in optics, and craftsmanship. add to it, that the vast majority of reports from others on leapers reflect my opinion. im just trying to save you some money, if you choose not to heed my advice for what ever reason, do so at your own risk. its your money, your choice of what to purchase.
I looked at the link you provided and determined that the scope you have would be just barely short enough to fit my application (12" or less). But, the "Straight Shooters" site http://straightshooters.com/navigati...elections.html rates it only for light recoiling spring air rifles. The only Bushnells they rate for heavy recoiling air rifles are the "Elite" series.
My interest in the Bug Buster is based on a combination of its rating for heavy air rifle recoil, short length, adjustable for parallax, and not as expensive as the $349.99 alternative from Leupold in the Straight Shooters selection chart. The Bushnell Elites are too long for my application; they cover the loading port on the fixed-barrel RWS 48.
Look, all I can say is this. The Leapers SCP-432AOMDL2 4X42 scope I BOUGHT has real decent clarity. I think the $54.99 it cost me is worth it. If it gets broken or damaged, I'll simply send it in for repair or replacement, and I won't be out a cent.
Again, if it can handle a .416 Rigby, I'm sure it can handle whatever I can throw at it... And SL11, if you decide to try it, I don't think you'll be disappointed to the extreme you'll want to commit suicide. lmao. Good luck with what ever you decide, and by all means, have tons o fun and enjoy it. Nuff said.
Hey SL11, had another thought. Have you ever considered using or getting a red dot scope instead?.
__________________ "My next door neighbors two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs then Obama has." - Gary Johnson
Last edited by GlockMeister; 02-13-2008 at 12:23 AM.
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That picture/image just cracks me up. Come on lefty, laugh, you know it's funny?
